^ Stretching as far back as I've started reading comics, Green Lantern and GL-related books (most recently Green Lantern Corps) were always my most consistently favorite titles. Still are (consistency-wise anyway).
Which is why I may particularly disdain how they're portrayed by posters here. The liberality with which they and their feats are considered is nothing short of atrocious at times.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stretching as far back as I've started reading comics, Green Lantern and GL-related books (most recently Green Lantern Corps) were always my most consistently favorite titles. Still are (consistency-wise anyway).Which is why I may particularly disdain how they're portrayed by posters here. The liberality with which they and their feats are considered is nothing short of atrocious at times.
How can you blame the members? you have a character with a plot device as weapon. The comic goes as far to remind the reader, waving the flag of no limits to the rings creation in every other issue.
Members simply take what is said, without discerning poetic phrases from actual feats. This in effect causes you, to take your disdain comments a little to far to prove your point.
Originally posted by Blair WindWell this is a toughy. Not for me personally but for the majority of people who are not well aquainted with Nova's history.
This is getting rather off topic.In the end, most people don't view Nova as a high herald. He has some impressive feats, but relative to the High Heralds listed, he IMO should not be listed with them. No dis-respect to the character but he either does not have the feats or the power to back moving him up a notch.
And with that said, I still believe that Kyle beats him. Nova's gravity powers seem to be his highest end attacks and Ive seen Kyle not only physically manipulate existing singularities (or entropic forces), he's absorbed them, redirected them, traveled through them, and even created them himself - I'll admit none was a combat scenario (save creating one - sort of) but it shows evidence of the power of GL's.
Easiest way to a win? Hold Nova in a construct that transfers his struggling energy into music - as he has done before to an Angel.
Now, Dmills, I'd like to know who you, personally, would compare Nova to in the DC Universe. Do you consider him Superman level? Wonder Woman level? I'm just asking because we seem to have different opinions on him. Again, I'm but a novice on the character, but I've done as much homework as I can. I'd like your viewpoint on the matter
I have always said that Nova would have a hard time vs versatile characters. Particularly high end energy manipulators and such. But I almost never give ppl that are essentially bricks, or flying bricks wins over him. Nova has always been one of the most durable characters in Mavels history so I can't see him being beaten purely physically because of his damage soak, overall durability and damned near indestructable shields.
Then there's the fact that he commands the power of the entire Nova force. Super Nova is considered by most to be either highest of high herald, or above that. Nova has that same power reservoir but has mental restraints from using it. So if we take all of that into account, and looking at who's who on the mid herald list, as of right now I have no problem with him being considered mid herald with the ability to amp to high herald.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stretching as far back as I've started reading comics, Green Lantern and GL-related books (most recently Green Lantern Corps) were always my most consistently favorite titles. Still are (consistency-wise anyway).Which is why I may particularly disdain how they're portrayed by posters here. The liberality with which they and their feats are considered is nothing short of atrocious at times.
They tend to be among the most variable characters, so it's understandable some posters will see Lobo shredding Gardners shields like tissue paper, while overlooking/not realizing he also created a bubble that deflected Despero's eyebeam (Which could turn MM to ash), or that he (Or other GL's) stopped characters as powerful as Lobo, or defended against attacks that could harm durability on Supermans level...
Originally posted by Naija boy
Im using their placement in the KMC tier system..and they are al placed at midherald. I dont necessarilly agree with all of their placements their however. Point being, if Nova is moved to high herald in the tier system then all these guys have to as well. some should get consideration way before him for that matter.
Originally posted by Blair WindSo long as you don't conflate what Kyle can and has done with other GLs which would end up ignoring his amps.
Which part do you have a problem with? I never said what he did was easy, I simply stated what he has done.
Originally posted by "Id"I think the "flag of limits" to the rings has been waved in front of people's faces in pretty much every post-Crisis issue of Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps.
How can you blame the members? you have a character with a plot device as weapon. The comic goes as far to remind the reader, waving the flag of no limits to the rings creation in every other issue.Members simply take what is said, without discerning poetic phrases from actual feats. This in effect causes you, to take your disdain comments a little to far to prove your point.
Let's look at just one particular issue to illustrate: Kyle subconsciously drawing power from the Ion energies in the sun is not "poetic". Post classic-Ion Kyle amping his own ring before he gave up the Ion power is not "poetic." Any objection I have for posters who show a Kyle feat from those eras and pretend they can project them onto other GLs isn't a result of my disdain. It's a result of their disregard or deception.
Originally posted by cdtmGetting your shields shredded by Lobo isn't a low feat and nobody thinks it is. And lowballing/highballing has nothing to do with past posters acting like GL rings didn't have limited energy capacity, or that Marty/Pieface's actions were indicative of normal GLs, or any one of a whole host of other problematic assertions I've seen made.
They tend to be among the most variable characters, so it's understandable some posters will see Lobo shredding Gardners shields like tissue paper, while overlooking/not realizing he also created a bubble that deflected Despero's eyebeam (Which could turn MM to ash), or that he (Or other GL's) stopped characters as powerful as Lobo, or defended against attacks that could harm durability on Supermans level...
dmills hit it right on the head. Nova for now is easily "high" mid herald. He's performed high herald feats of recent times because the entire Nova force is his to command. Remember, this force was used to power thousands of Nova Centurions in the past. It is now housed in him! He is still in his early stages of his transoformation to Nova Prime. As he hones his ability to use this immense resevoir of power, we will probably see more high herald feats to his credit int the near future.
As far as this match goes since its PIS free, and all. There is absolutely no reason why Kyle could not endow himself with; Flash powerset & speed, Daxam physical prowess, and with wield his ring to the same extant shown by Oblivion. Given that Kyle subconsciously gave birth to these independent constructs on his own, and are now reintegrated in his own psyche.
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Its one of the major reasons why he is ranked top 3 out of the entire corps (Hal, Kyle, & Alan). I would go as far as to say he is the top dog, unless we count Pri-Crisis feats.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
oh really? you forgot to mention he was weakening without those entities back in him. he was dying basically.
Who said anything about recreating those entities? I mentioned he could endow himself with the same powerset his constructs used.
Edit - And I dont remember Kyle weakining by the creation of the constructs.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Its ridiculous think that he cant endow himself the same abilities as his constructs, but if we only want to go strictly by on panel feats. Then he recreates his 7-Man corp powered by his ring, no different then how it was seen in Circle of Fire.
if that is ever shown in panel ill agree. that circle of fire thing was such a ridiculous story to begin with. it was just plain awful. pretty sure he was.
Originally posted by "Id"
Who said anything about recreating those entities? I mentioned he could endow himself with the same powerset his constructs used.Edit - And I dont remember Kyle weakining by the creation of the constructs.
Yeah, the mere existence of the constructs was slowly killing him.
Question: Wasn't the ring Kyle using actually more powerful then your standard ring, because it was mainlining a bigger source of power? I don't remember him ever actually recharging the thing..
He was getting a definite gradual increase in power levels leading up to claiming the full Ion powers, made evident when he eventually started glowing like a toxic crusader.....
Originally posted by "Id"
Its ridiculous think that he cant endow himself the same abilities as his constructs, but if we only want to go strictly by on panel feats. Then he recreates his 7-Man corp powered by his ring, no different then how it was seen in Circle of Fire.
aww come on man now u are reaching... his group minus oblivion couldnt even beat oblivion. that shows how shallow each of those creations were in terms of troo solid power and ability. i remember he was going to kill himself just to beat the evil part of him (oblivion) rofl.... no way is this gonna fly in this thread. if he really was able to amp himself in such a way, why even put him in herald level? might as well make him a skyfather!
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those creations were a result of awful writing and DC trying to give their new GL props cause he was never received well by fans. he would never be able to use what happened in that arc to amp himself up nowadays.
