Nova Prime vs Green Lantern (Kyle)

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, the mere existence of the constructs was slowly killing him.

Question: Wasn't the ring Kyle using actually more powerful then your standard ring, because it was mainlining a bigger source of power? I don't remember him ever actually recharging the thing..

Kyle had a custom ring made. To my knowledge he still holds the same ring. And yes it needed recharging. The scan explains the differences prior to rebuilding the Corps.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
aww come on man now u are reaching... his group minus oblivion couldnt even beat oblivion. that shows how shallow each of those creations were in terms of troo solid power and ability. i remember he was going to kill himself just to beat the evil part of him (oblivion) rofl.... no way is this gonna fly in this thread. if he really was able to amp himself in such a way, why even put him in herald level? might as well make him a skyfather!
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those creations were a result of awful writing and DC trying to give their new GL props cause he was never received well by fans. he would never be able to use what happened in that arc to amp himself up nowadays.

Originally posted by cdtm

He was getting a definite gradual increase in power levels leading up to claiming the full Ion powers, made evident when he eventually started glowing like a toxic crusader.....

Originally posted by "Id"
[B]Where was it stated? I honestly don't remember.

The strain was starting to show near the end of the series, before Kyle knew about the constructs. It's the reason he ended up re-absorbing them, even the one that really didn't want to be re-absorbed..

I put top-end GL's like Kyle above Nova in power levels. The best chance that Nova has against GL's is to use his superior speed and WM's combat-awareness/tactical effectiveness at its peak.

Nova has always been shown as extremely combat-effective due to his combined combat skills/creativity as well as the WM's analytical/tactical knowledge guiding him with every step.

Id put Kyle at 7/10. Nova gets wins.

Originally posted by cdtm
The strain was starting to show near the end of the series, before Kyle knew about the constructs. It's the reason he ended up re-absorbing them, even the one that really didn't want to be re-absorbed..

Originally posted by "Id"
If your impaling that Kyle could only do the following, because he was subconsciously accessing the Central Battery powers left in the sun. That is a moot point, the comic clearly establishes that Kyle did not begin to do so, until sometime after he absorbed Oblivion, and the rest.

NVM

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The power of Oblivion was joined with the leftover Central Power Battery energies after Oblivion's defeat. Those were the Ion energies that made him classic Ion and which he was tapping into. It was the repressed subconscious emotions that Oblivion represented which were absorbed by Kyle when Oblivion was defeated, not the underlying power.

Glad you pointed that out. Because I never claimed Kyle received an instant bump in power by reabsorbing Oblivion. Only that he should be equally capable of wielding the ring as Oblivion, and the rest of his emotional constructs.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The best chance that Nova has against GL's is to use his superior speed and WM's combat-awareness/tactical effectiveness at its peak.

i don't think Nova has superior speed..at best they are about equal in term of speed..

Originally posted by "Id"
Glad you pointed that out. Because I never claimed Kyle received an instant bump in power by reabsorbing Oblivion. Only that he should be equally capable of wielding the ring as Oblivion, and the rest of his emotional constructs.

nono

so was he tapping a power source which was a precursor to classic Ion? ah so current Kyle cannot duplicate this "feat"?

Originally posted by Slaanesh
i don't think Nova has superior speed..at best they are about equal in term of speed..

Unless you want to believe that Nova traveled from Earth to Hela in full flight, despite using a Stargate to get their.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That'd be like arguing Thor can fight as well as his dark Valkyrie who beat Gamora straight up.

nono

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
so was he tapping a power source which was a precursor to classic Ion?

Originally posted by "Id"
Right because its obvious that the Dark Valkyrie is a subconscious persona of Thors own psyche given form by Mjolnir magic. Oh waits its not.

I don't see a distinction worth spit here. It's the same rationale.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
She was a subconcious persona of Thor's mind. Like Oblivion was of Kyle's mind. She had her own feats. Like Oblivion had his own feats. Both of their consciousnesses were birthed from their respective hosts' dark, troubled emotions.

I don't see a distinction worth spit here. It's the same rationale.

The most important factor is whether Oblivion and the constructs could be replicated with a standard GL ring or not. With Thor, we know Valkyrie's physical manifestation existed because of an external power, the Power Gem..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
She was a subconcious persona of Thor's mind. Like Oblivion was of Kyle's mind. She had her own feats. Like Oblivion had his own feats. Both of their consciousnesses were birthed from their respective hosts' dark, troubled emotions.

I don't see a distinction worth spit here. It's the same rationale.

Did Thor reabsorb his dark persona? if so then he has imprinted memory of Dark Valkyrie in his psyche, no different to Kyle. Meaning he should hold memory of her skill set deep within his subconscious.

If this is Thor’s persona using an outside amp, then its obvious Thor will not carry out the same feats as Dark Valkyrie despite holding the same amount of skill.

if you guys are saying he can just duplicate the power of those creations, then I would consider him the highest of the high heralds. might as well say he can smack Thor and Silver Surfer around.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
if you guys are saying he can just duplicate the power of those creations, then I would consider him the highest of the high heralds. might as well say he can smack Thor and Silver Surfer around.

Compressing a Black Hole nearly the size of the Sun.
Absorbing the same Black Hole.
Flying to the Edge of the Universe.
Stabilizing Earths orbit by himself.
Redirecting entropic energy blast enough to destroy the sun.
Shielding himself from entropic energy wave devastating an entire solar system.
Flying at multiple speeds of light.
Destroying planet OA.
Etc..

Originally posted by "Id"
Its a factor that should not go unnoticed. Even with out them Kyle has a list of feats.

Compressing a Black Hole nearly the size of the Sun.
Absorbing the same Black Hole.
Flying to the Edge of the Universe.
Stabilizing Earths orbit by himself.
Redirecting entropic energy blast enough to destroy the sun.
Shielding himself from entropic energy wave devastating an entire solar system.
Flying at multiple speeds of light.
Destroying planet OA.
Etc..

Big bang?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Big bang?

Originally posted by cdtm
The most important factor is whether Oblivion and the constructs could be replicated with a standard GL ring or not. With Thor, we know Valkyrie's physical manifestation existed because of an external power, the Power Gem..

Originally posted by "Id"
Your lacking details.

Did Thor reabsorb his dark persona? if so then he has imprinted memory of Dark Valkyrie in his psyche, no different to Kyle. Meaning he should hold memory of her skill set deep within his subconscious.

If this is Thor’s persona using an outside amp, then its obvious Thor will not carry out the same feats as Dark Valkyrie despite holding the same amount of skill.

Oblivion being reabsorbed and Valkyrie being banished is a false distinction. Valkyrie possessed the skills from the start. Leading into Blood and Thunder, Thor wasn't going around stomping on the most skilled fighters in the universe with his own H2H skills. And don't even go on to imply that the non-reabsorption of Valkyrie ended up banishing that skill set from Thor's mind. That's as attenuated as assuming Kyle could do everything Oblivion did.