Originally posted by "Id"Superman curbstomping the crap out of Darkseid. Thor killing Mangog physically. Surfer defeating Unilord. Adam Warlock defeating Mephisto. Savage Hulk defeating Galaxy Master. Loki killing Bor. Etc. Etc.
He is Mid Herald for sure. But I was schooled that High Tiers have a series of feats that transcend herald class. So far I've only see one (the Sphinx w/K. Stones).
Although... last two aren't even considered High Herald.
Originally posted by dmills
Oh my damn! If you consider those ppl to be mid herald then who the phuck do you consider high herald?
Im using their placement in the KMC tier system..and they are al placed at midherald. I dont necessarilly agree with all of their placements their however. Point being, if Nova is moved to high herald in the tier system then all these guys have to as well. some should get consideration way before him for that matter.
Originally posted by dmillsYou have to go to the tier thread to look them all up. the mid herald tier is full of powerhouses, it's not really a disrespect to Nova that he's there. The high herald one is a lot more restricted and has very few characters in it.
Oh my damn! If you consider those ppl to be mid herald then who the phuck do you consider high herald?
That hing is in desperate need of an update though.
I wouldn't say all of those should go to HH is Nova does, but Naija's premise is still valid IMO. Of those, I'd say that:
Beta Ray Bill
Sersi
Wally
Orion
Captain Marvel/Black Adam
Gladiator
Should be bumped, too. Hell, I'd throw Firestorm in that mix, too. Problem is, I don't think any of these guys (minus Bill and Wally) are really HH material.
Originally posted by "Id"Ok. That list is all kinds of meh. For one, Graviton is listed as low herald when he would absolutely crush just about everyone on the mid herald list.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Except the Sphinx feat trumps all of those IMO. The only one I can think of that's close is Norrin battling TnA into the crunch.
Superman curbstomping the crap out of Darkseid. Thor killing Mangog physically. Surfer defeating Unilord. Adam Warlock defeating Mephisto. Savage Hulk defeating Galaxy Master. Loki killing Bor. Etc. Etc.Although... last two aren't even considered High Herald.
Originally posted by HarbingerWhat's interesting is that I remember most on this forum saying that Black Adam beats Supes, but he's an entire tier lower? How does that work?
I wouldn't say all of those should go to HH is Nova does, but Naija's premise is still valid IMO. Of those, I'd say that:Beta Ray Bill
Sersi
Wally
Orion
Captain Marvel/Black Adam
GladiatorShould be bumped, too. Hell, I'd throw Firestorm in that mix, too. Problem is, I don't think any of these guys (minus Bill and Wally) are really HH material.
Originally posted by dmillsNo. Not really.
Except the Sphinx feat trumps all of those IMO. The only one I can think of that's close is Norrin battling TnA into the crunch.
Originally posted by dmillsBecause admitting that Black Adam would beat Superman and deserves to be his equal, if not his superior, would give Thor fans ammo for the same exact argument -- the fact that the argument is actually cogent be damned.
What's interesting is that I remember most on this forum saying that Black Adam beats Supes, but he's an entire tier lower? How does that work?
Originally posted by HarbingerBut isn't that, you know, conjecture? And where is Tangent Supes in all of this?
Weakness exploitation to some extent given that Teth has magic punches. He's also more ruthless than Kal is. They comparable in terms of physical stats as well.However, I don't think BA would have much of a chance against a Supes that isn't holding back.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0You know that I respect your opinion more then most on this forum, so why not?
No. Not really. Because admitting that Black Adam would beat Superman and deserves to be his equal, if not his superior, would give Thor fans ammo for the same exact argument -- the fact that the argument is actually cogent be damned.
So a lot of this is agenda based huh? Interesting...
This is getting rather off topic.
In the end, most people don't view Nova as a high herald. He has some impressive feats, but relative to the High Heralds listed, he IMO should not be listed with them. No dis-respect to the character but he either does not have the feats or the power to back moving him up a notch.
And with that said, I still believe that Kyle beats him. Nova's gravity powers seem to be his highest end attacks and Ive seen Kyle not only physically manipulate existing singularities (or entropic forces), he's absorbed them, redirected them, traveled through them, and even created them himself - I'll admit none was a combat scenario (save creating one - sort of) but it shows evidence of the power of GL's.
Easiest way to a win? Hold Nova in a construct that transfers his struggling energy into music - as he has done before to an Angel.
Now, Dmills, I'd like to know who you, personally, would compare Nova to in the DC Universe. Do you consider him Superman level? Wonder Woman level? I'm just asking because we seem to have different opinions on him. Again, I'm but a novice on the character, but I've done as much homework as I can. I'd like your viewpoint on the matter