World Breaker Hulk vs Classic Juggernaut

If we're discussing pure strength vs strength then I think it's in Jugz's favor.

There was a scan of an article by one of Marvel's guys basically saying Jugz can increase his strength by drawing on more power from his Patron when he needs too. I think it was in the Respect Juggernaut thread.

That + Invulnerability wins it IMHO. He don't need to eat, breathe, or sleep. He'll never get tired. Imagine if he takes the fight underground or underwater where oxygen is scarce. Then what's the Hulk going to do? Make himself so angry he don't need to breathe? 🙄

Or worse, imagine they wind up actually destroying the planet they were fighting on. Now the Hulk is REALLY screwed.

WBH decimates Juggernaut.

WBH is more than capable of doing so, given that WWH was casually halting Juggernaut's "unstoppable" momentum, building it up and making him incapable of self-control... all while holding back and being more interested in grabbing Xavier.

Originally posted by zopzop
If we're discussing pure strength vs strength then I think it's in Jugz's favor.

There was a scan of an article by one of Marvel's guys basically saying Jugz can increase his strength by drawing on more power from his Patron when he needs too. I think it was in the Respect Juggernaut thread.

That + Invulnerability wins it IMHO. He don't need to eat, breathe, or sleep. He'll never get tired. Imagine if he takes the fight underground or underwater where oxygen is scarce. Then what's the Hulk going to do? Make himself so angry he don't need to breathe? 🙄

Or worse, imagine they wind up actually destroying the planet they were fighting on. Now the Hulk is REALLY screwed.

Originally posted by janus77
WBH decimates Juggernaut.

WBH is more than capable of doing so, given that WWH was casually halting Juggernaut's "unstoppable" momentum, building it up and making him incapable of self-control... all while holding back and being more interested in grabbing Xavier.

Lol that's as inaccurate a retelling I've ever read.

Originally posted by zopzop
That + Invulnerability wins it IMHO. He don't need to eat, breathe, or sleep. He'll never get tired. Imagine if he takes the fight underground or underwater where oxygen is scarce. Then what's the Hulk going to do? Make himself so angry he don't need to breathe? 🙄.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, if the battle took place in an oxygen deficient or oxygen devoid environment, Hulk would totally be screwed!:

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Those scans prove what? The Black Bolt scenes were on the Blue Area of the Moon, known for having oxygen.

The other scenes with him punching asteroids while on a spaceship mean what exactly? Its well known the he can hold his breath for a long time.

Long time != forever. He's gonna have to take a breath soon, unless something changed (ie he got a power up or anything like that that I'm not aware of).

Originally posted by janus77
lol, Cyttorak is nothing much, Beyonder said Hulk possessed the same infinite energies that he does, so that basically shits on the Cyttorak hype.

The very same Beyonder that was later retconned (and so were most of his "feats"😉 into an incomplete Cube Being? That one? Cause if so, I'm not impressed.

Pretty sure Green Scar can survive without oxygen. Never thought of it as Hulk simply holding his breath for a while. I recall him running around in space, screaming and shit. It'd be weird if he couldn't. Savage Hulk developed a gland to survive underwater as I recall.

Originally posted by janus77
lol, Cyttorak is nothing much, Beyonder said Hulk possessed the same infinite energies that he does, so that basically shits on the Cyttorak hype.

Does her really say that the Hulk has the same infinite energies that he does?

And if we're going by the Beyonder's comments,he made one not to different regarding Thor.

The words of Cosmic Entities in these type of situations are obviously hyperbole. They don't mean much. At least to me personally. However, using that statement to mock Cytorrak's power in comparison to the Hulk in any serious way is asinine.

Have you guys lost your minds? Any talk or showings of Hulk hurting Juggs is PIS and is not allowed here. Juggs can't be hurt by physical force under Universal. I'm surprised this thread last this long. This is either a stalemate or Juggs wins.

And what is super silly is you guys claiming that slinging someone around proves you are superior or can hurt them. I can throw and hit around a 1 pound indestructible plastic doll. It doesn't mean I can win against it without BFR.

Originally posted by janus77
lol, Cyttorak is nothing much, Beyonder said Hulk possessed the same infinite energies that he does, so that basically shits on the Cyttorak hype.

First you are spinning quotes. Second, Hulk doesn't and can't possess infinite energy. Hulk's strength can grow to any assignable amount and still won't be a fraction of infinite strength. He can gain a zillion tons per nanosecond for a zillion years and still won't have a fraction of infinite strength.

Originally posted by zopzop
Those scans prove what? The Black Bolt scenes were on the Blue Area of the Moon, known for having oxygen.

The other scenes with him punching asteroids while on a spaceship mean what exactly? Its well known the he can hold his breath for a long time.

Long time != forever. He's gonna have to take a breath soon, unless something changed (ie he got a power up or anything like that that I'm not aware of).

Originally posted by zopzop
If we're discussing pure strength vs strength then I think it's in Jugz's favor.

Originally posted by zopzop
Those scans prove what? The Black Bolt scenes were on the Blue Area of the Moon, known for having oxygen.

The other scenes with him punching asteroids while on a spaceship mean what exactly? Its well known the he can hold his breath for a long time.

Long time != forever. He's gonna have to take a breath soon, unless something changed (ie he got a power up or anything like that that I'm not aware of).

Originally posted by zopzop
The very same Beyonder that was later retconned (and so were most of his "feats"😉 into an incomplete Cube Being? That one? Cause if so, I'm not impressed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Oy vey. facepalm

Instead of trying to be cute why don't you explain how I'm wrong. Those scans you posted are sort of ambiguous.

The Black Bolt (which was later retconned to be a Skrull impostor) and Hulk ones were on the Blue Area of the Moon, known for having oxygen. The very fact that they were able to SPEAK proves that some sort of atmosphere is there (sound can't travel in a vaccum).

The other ones were even more vague.

So I'll repeat, unless the Hulk has been upgraded recently and doesn't need to eat/breathe/sleep, he's gonna lose to Jugz eventually.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It was specifically noted on-panel in the storyline right before Planet Hulk that he doesn't need to breathe in space. SHIELD notes that his body ended up adapting to the environment. In any case, before that, Savage Hulk actually survived a trip past the Sun to Counter-Earth on top a space rocket while fighting Rhino.

So he doesn't need to breathe. Thank you. That's all I wanted to know.

That Beyonder and Bendis' Beyonder from the Illuminati issues would still sh1t on Juggernaut.

That's great to know. But the fact remains that the Secret Wars era Beyonder was retconned and dramatically reduced in power. So his statements mean jack. And this is Hulk vs Jugz. We can argue about Incomplete Cube Beings vs Cytorrak Avatar later.

Originally posted by zopzop
Those scans you posted are sort of ambiguous.

Some writers portray the Hulk as having the ability to survive in oxygen depleted environments, some don't. In the seventies they had the Hulk grow gills to show that he would/could evolve to any given situation that he was placed in. In Hulk Future imperfect he was seen breathing acid enriched oxygen without his lungs turning to liquid.

Originally posted by zopzop
We can argue about Incomplete Cube Beings vs Cytorrak Avatar later.

Originally posted by Galan007
Heh, were they now?

I'm done with you, go troll someone else.

Originally posted by zopzop
I'm done with you, go troll someone else.

ODG, can I troll you? Puhleeease!!!! 😮

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
There would be no argument. Even retconned Cube Being Beyonder created his own universe.

A "pocket universe" that Kubik was about to crush with the Beyonder and the FF in it till Shaper of Worlds stepped in. Again, not impressed. Cytorrak has his own pocket dimension too.

And depending how Spiderman and the Secret Wars figures into all the retcons, all of Beyonder's retcons... were retconned back.

It's ok, I'm sure it'll be retconned again, if it already hasn't been.

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