Originally posted by JacopeX
Powers/abiltiies are one category of a character I never really had much tolerance over...because in real life they do not exist so there is no such thing as a form of realism of any king of powers. Especially if one had variations, it still does not bother me. You think it is impossible? Prove it to me. Prove to me it's impossible to have a variation of telekenetic powers, energy based attack, and Dark mage powers. See, no one can't...Because the concept is fictional and in a fictional world, anything is possible...Hence why we put balances and limits to powers/abilities to prevent people from god modding or being to strong for certain RPs if their purposes are to inflict harm.
You are confusing realism and logic.
Just because things are not realistic, does not mean they are excused to be illogical. I'm also saying it's not impossible, but it's statisticly unlikely if you make a human by nature.
What difference does presenting proof make? That's a fallacious distraction from the topic of discussion, since it does not at all strengthen the favored side of the argument. Just because something can not be proven, does not mean it can not be. (Religion anyone?)
What I'm saying is that it's illogical, not that it's impossible. Just because it's possible however, doesn't mean that it's logical. And to me, logic is a key ingredient in any roleplay.
I am of course speaking from a fantasy perspective and not based on real life. Just because something is fictional, does not mean it is excused to deviate from logic.
Originally posted by Hunter_Abari
Thank you Jacope for prooving a valid point. Nobody can come back from that...
Is this some kind of competition to you? If so, you should lighten up.
Originally posted by JacopeX
Some will continue to disagree just to disagree for the sake of their personal satisfaction out of RPing. And I don't blame them, but it gets very annoying when they go to certain extents like protestings by not RPing with certain people or what not. (I've seen it happen many times in here and other RPing forums. -_-)
If you don't want to discuss a topic, don't reply to it. Just because I disagree, doesn't mean I disagree for the sake of it. I feel I have experience, wisdom and knowledge enough to involve myself in a conversation on this matter and I feel that maybe someone will benefit from reading it and get perspective of things.
I don't do this for personal satisfaction, even though I enjoy talking about it, or because I feel the need to tower someone.
I involve myself in the topic because I have a genuine interest in it and because I am hoping that someone not adept in the matter might read something I write and heed my words and evolve their roleplaying, or maybe I'll change someones mind.
It's never too late to convert people to logic, that's my philosophy. Sure, it's fiction, you're allowed to make things that doesn't make sense. That doesn't mean you must, and that's why I'm writing on all of this. I feel I should give my side of a coin for the world to read.
Perhaps there's someone that has been doing this but haven't realized it, and reading my post makes them think.
That alone is a victory to me, and the only victory that can be won in an argument. There's no victor like the victor that walked away a little smarter.
"Just give it up" and "He's right" is another example of illogic. You ask me to stop discussing a topic I enjoy participating in, and conclude this request by saying that I'm wrong.
What I am currently confused over however, is how you came to think this is about you and your character. It was just an example. I don't care what powers you have on it, it's your right to have them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this discussion is about powers that shouldn't co-exist and not about a particular character? I think Quincy just used that list of powers as an example.
You guys misinterpret Q' Anilia to easily...
Originally posted by Hunter_Abari \
And Etna who are you to judge me when you dont know me at all? Nobody... [/B]
=/ and where have I judged you?
Do you even know how to use that word?
Gee I really hope there is not some kind of Vocabulary Section in your graduation test. 😛
They were an example but by coincidence they were all my powers. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was just random...There are no powers that SHOULDN'T co exist. Creating a character is your choice and how you choose to what abilities you equip to it is also your choice. Hell, someone could come and make a char that turned into an iceman but could shout fire from his hands. You would jump on that charachters creativity and style. Like I said in the other thread don't worry about me. Jacope was right and we both wanted to conversation to end there because frankly, no one cared about it anymore after that. If you think my problems are illogical so be it, but guess what, Hitosu is still letting me post with my character at this very moment.
Etna, don't try me like I am an idiot because I am smart as anybody on KMC. Your not smarter than me and I'm not smarter than you sodomy test my intelligence little girl,,,
I don't think it was a coincidence. He probably used the powers of your character because they were most convenient for his case. Close at hand, a perfect example of different themes and it gave everyone something to relate the discussion to.
And I don't think your problems are illogical. I don't know what problems you have, but if you have them, I'm pretty sure there's some logic involved. After all, this is the real world and not fiction. I am of course sorry to hear that you have problems at all, and I hope you get all of it sorted out.
And have I ever said you aren't allowed, or shouldn't play with your character? You are completely missing the point time and time again. Why can't you just read things as I write them, instead of trying to find some hidden malice in it? I have never meant you any ill, and the fact that you find it is as saddening to me as it might be to you. I have never, nor will I ever have any reason to offend or reject you.
To the topic at hand:
An iceman character might very well shoot fire from his hands, since both are elemental powers by nature. It is also a widely known fact that fire melt ice, and if his hands heated up enough, he'd be fully capable of shooting fire from them despite the rest of his body being covered in ice. It could even go as far as he being immune to his own elements and his fire doesn't even melt his ice when he project it out of his hands.
So I disagree with your example to my objective. It is fully logical that an iceman would be able to shoot fire, at least in the sense of logic and theme that I'm after.
A better example to use would be for example the illogical combination of the element fire and the ability to teleport. The two are widely different abilities of different nature. One is a space-time power, while the other a piece of nature. Cosmical versus earthly.
Revolving JacopeX's point, I don't think he was right. He has a point, but right I wouldn't agree on. It's fiction, it's fantasy, it's fully possible to combine very different powers and get away with it, but that doesn't make it logical; Which is my standpoint. JacopeX was defending the point of realism, and while that was never in question when I wrote what I did, I support him on it. Realism is overrated.
The point I'm trying to make, is that if one is born with several powers it should be genetic. Which makes the mother, or father, the carrier of a supernatural gene even though they aren't they themselves suitable to have it activated.
We can use hair as example; How many are born with two different hair colors? None I know of. That's because there is a dominant gene, and this gene is generally passed on. It can be another color, but it's rare. And that makes two colors even more rare, and three is statisticly impossible.
There's also the eyes, which might be a better example in the long run. There are those in this world with iris heterochromia, making it a viable example. It's a rare trait, but it's there, and having three themes of powers is much like heterochromia, only that'd make it polychromia (No need to go further into that). My point is that while two colors is rare, three is unheard of.
- The human body is based mostly on genes. If one is born with powers, it's genetic.
- If one is mutated, it's infused depending on its source. A mutation is of course obligatory to give the victim powers in relevance to the substance that caused the mutation. An electric accident gives someone electric powers, perhaps magnetism and stuff like that.
- If it's alien however, that's something completely different; Their genetics are alien to us, and you have the excuse to do anything you want without risking illogical combinations.
Originally posted by Hunter_Abari
They were an example but by coincidence they were all my powers. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was just random...There are no powers that SHOULDN'T co exist. Creating a character is your choice and how you choose to what abilities you equip to it is also your choice. Hell, someone could come and make a char that turned into an iceman but could shout fire from his hands. You would jump on that charachters creativity and style. Like I said in the other thread don't worry about me. Jacope was right and we both wanted to conversation to end there because frankly, no one cared about it anymore after that. If you think my problems are illogical so be it, but guess what, Hitosu is still letting me post with my character at this very moment.Etna, don't try me like I am an idiot because I am smart as anybody on KMC. Your not smarter than me and I'm not smarter than you sodomy test my intelligence little girl,,,
I'll just jump in here, if no one minds. Just because a power is illogical doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it. It's just that there's no real justification for them to be there. Superman is particularly odd in this case. Yes, he's an alien, but several of his powers are just thrown together. When he was first created, Superman was actually just a purely physical character ("Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to clear tall buildings with a single bound"😉 and wasn't even able to fly. More writers kept adding powers to him with no justification other than that he was Superman. He's had telepathic will control, super aging breath, and even rebuild-the-Great-wall-of-China-vision in one of the movies. A lot of those old powers have been forgotten now, with pretty good reason, but soome of them have stuck.
The point is that unrelated powers come across as thrown together if they aren't justified. As an example, we could use your character again. You've got justification for the elements and darkness if you consider that black magic covers the offensive uses of the elements. Magic on its own is a fairly good justification. Super speed could be explained as stemming from the control of wind. Black magic --> Wind --> Speed, for example. Teleportation could come from the same source, using dark magic to bend space.
Or take my character, Balan. He has general elemental control, but it stems from his abilities to control space being used to bring the power from somewhere else. His summoning and binding abilities, too, can be explained with control over space. He can summon by transporting creatures across space, and bind them by forcing two creatures to occupy the same space. It's all in the justification. The example you gave could also be explained as Iceman being able to absorb and redirect heat, which would allow him to freeze himself and throw fire.
I would say you could give any character any power you wanted, as long as they have a reason to have it. If they don't, try using items. An amulet that confers teleportation, a ring that grants invisibility, even a glove that throws fire. Items are darn useful for getting around the fact that your character may not have an ability they'll need but doesn't fit with their powerset.
Originally posted by Q'AniliaAnd it is fully logical that Hunter can run fast, and control darkness, and even in DUSK MODE, control dark magic. I say lets leave it at that. This DEBATE is useless because Im not changing my character, and you dont care if I do, and this is pointless, a natural waste of my electricity and time. Lets all hold hands and sing a song. 😂
I don't think it was a coincidence. He probably used the powers of your character because they were most convenient for his case. Close at hand, a perfect example of different themes and it gave everyone something to relate the discussion to.And I don't think your problems are illogical. I don't know what problems you have, but if you have them, I'm pretty sure there's some logic involved. After all, this is the real world and not fiction. I am of course sorry to hear that you have problems at all, and I hope you get all of it sorted out.
And have I ever said you aren't allowed, or shouldn't play with your character? You are completely missing the point time and time again. Why can't you just read things as I write them, instead of trying to find some hidden malice in it? I have never meant you any ill, and the fact that you find it is as saddening to me as it might be to you. I have never, nor will I ever have any reason to offend or reject you.
To the topic at hand:
An iceman character might very well shoot fire from his hands, since both are elemental powers by nature. It is also a widely known fact that fire melt ice, and if his hands heated up enough, he'd be fully capable of shooting fire from them despite the rest of his body being covered in ice. It could even go as far as he being immune to his own elements and his fire doesn't even melt his ice when he project it out of his hands.
So I disagree with your example to my objective. It is fully logical that an iceman would be able to shoot fire, at least in the sense of logic and theme that I'm after.
A better example to use would be for example the illogical combination of the element fire and the ability to teleport. The two are widely different abilities of different nature. One is a space-time power, while the other a piece of nature. Cosmical versus earthly.Revolving JacopeX's point, I don't think he was right. He has a point, but right I wouldn't agree on. It's fiction, it's fantasy, it's fully possible to combine very different powers and get away with it, but that doesn't make it logical; Which is my standpoint. JacopeX was defending the point of realism, and while that was never in question when I wrote what I did, I support him on it. Realism is overrated.
The point I'm trying to make, is that if one is born with several powers it should be genetic. Which makes the mother, or father, the carrier of a supernatural gene even though they aren't they themselves suitable to have it activated.
We can use hair as example; How many are born with two different hair colors? None I know of. That's because there is a dominant gene, and this gene is generally passed on. It can be another color, but it's rare. And that makes two colors even more rare, and three is statisticly impossible.
There's also the eyes, which might be a better example in the long run. There are those in this world with iris heterochromia, making it a viable example. It's a rare trait, but it's there, and having three themes of powers is much like heterochromia, only that'd make it polychromia (No need to go further into that). My point is that while two colors is rare, three is unheard of.
- The human body is based mostly on genes. If one is born with powers, it's genetic.
- If one is mutated, it's infused depending on its source. A mutation is of course obligatory to give the victim powers in relevance to the substance that caused the mutation. An electric accident gives someone electric powers, perhaps magnetism and stuff like that.
- If it's alien however, that's something completely different; Their genetics are alien to us, and you have the excuse to do anything you want without risking illogical combinations.