Thor Vs. Firelord and Air-Walker

Originally posted by darthgoober
And both of these guy's mental state is obviously different than their previous encounters since they're motivated to the point of murdering Sif in cold blood right out of the gate.

Blood and Thunder was one arc out of the characters entire career, and nearly everyone agree that there was an amp involved.

Thor's faced a blood lusted FireLord before. Air Walker didn't seem like someone who was prone to holding back as I recall. He wanted to kill Thor I think.

Nearly everyone? Hahahaha. A bunch of butt hurt cosmic based fans. And for the last time, there was no amp. At the very least, an outside one. If this mythical amp did exist, it would have come purely from Thor tapping into his own well of power/strength.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Objection: bullsh1t.

Originally posted by DarthDaniel1001
The reason Air-Walker is so cold-blooded is becuase this is the mechanical version. As I recall, Thor one-shotted the mechanical version. I don't see why he can't just do it again. Then it's a very pissed off Thor against Firelord. I'd say Thor wins.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not really. I know you and Rage don't think there was an anp involved, but surely you've noticed that you're in an extreme minority there. I could track down quote from quite a few people who think there was an amp involved, how many do you really think you could track down that believe the contrary?

This mythical amp during Blood and Thunder is more of the same butt-hurt.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's faced a blood lusted FireLord before. Air Walker didn't seem like someone who was prone to holding back as I recall. He wanted to kill Thor I think.

Nearly everyone? Hahahaha. A bunch of butt hurt cosmic based fans. And for the last time, there was [b]no amp. At the very least, an outside one. If this mythical amp did exist, it would have come purely from Thor tapping into his own well of power/strength. [/B]

An amp is an amp. Lightray's amp from insanity was internal as well, but we still don't consider "bloodlusted Lightray" to be the same as "insane Lightray".

^ Amazing that Pluto, Ares, Hercules, BRB, Super-Skrull, Drax, Sif, Surfer, Warlock, Moondragon, Goddess and all the other people that were confronting him while he was suffering from this insanity across 20+ issues never mentioned how Thor was 10X more powerful than he was before.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I can track down a lot of people who have vocalized that Wolverine never had his brain pierced by projectiles/stabby things.

This mythical amp during Blood and Thunder is more of the same butt-hurt.

Not really, just looking at everything involving the characters rather than a single arc.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Amazing that Pluto, Ares, Hercules, BRB, Super-Skrull, Drax, Sif, Surfer, Warlock, Moondragon, Goddess and all the other people that were confronting him while he was suffering from this insanity across 20+ issues never mentioned how Thor was 10X more powerful than he was before.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said that he was 10x more powerful, I said I believe there was an amp involved. And Warlock DID mention Thor being more dangerous than he was while in Warrior Madness...

a lunatic with a knife is more dangerous than a police officer with a gun

Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said that he was 10x more powerful, I said I believe there was an amp involved. And Warlock DID mention Thor being more dangerous than he was while in Warrior Madness...

Originally posted by Starscream M
being more dangerous doesn't nec imply more power

a lunatic with a knife is more dangerous than a police officer with a gun

And yeah the lunatic would be more dangerous than the cop, but would he be more dangerous than another lunatic with a gun?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Indeed, but it could.

you went from claiming the amp was an implied certainty to now hedging that it is a mere possibility.

well, anything's possible. I could say anyone at any time is amped due to a higher than normal showing, couldn't I?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Being more vague about how quantifiable the amp was doesn't make your speculation any more reliable; it'd have the opposite effect. Warlock didn't mention that. Already had that argument with someone else.

And I'm not saying that the vagueness does make it more reliable, I'm just pointing out that I'm not making the claim you think I am.

Originally posted by Starscream M
your argument is already starting to crumble...under my intense scrutiny.

you went from claiming the amp was an implied certainty to now hedging that it is a mere possibility.

well, anything's possible. I could say anyone at any time is amped due to a higher than normal showing, couldn't I?

Originally posted by darthgoober
My arguement hasn't changed. I said that Warlock said Thor was more dangerous because ODG seemed to imply that no one noted a difference in Thor, I was showing that Warlock DID.

ODG never said or implied that no one noted a difference in thor...he said no one remarked any noticeable amp in power in Thor

Originally posted by Starscream M
now you're pulling strawman and misconstruing what ODG said

ODG never said or implied that no one noted a difference in thor...he said no one remarked any noticeable amp in power in Thor

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah he did, he specifically said that Thor was more dangerous than he was in their previous encounter, and we all know that in that particular fight he was in the grips of Warrior Madness.

And I'm not saying that the vagueness does make it more reliable, I'm just pointing out that I'm not making the claim you think I am.

1) The memory argument.

2) A pissed off Thor is more dangerous than a Warrior Madness Thor. Warrior Madness for like 99% of the time doesn't amp Thor's strength.

3) During his fight with Him, Thor fought solely like a a brick, throwing only punches. During his fight with Warlock and Surfer, Thor fought like a God. Energy projection, flying and so on was in full swing. Which would explain why Warlock believed Thor was more dangerous than he remembered.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Read my post to ODG.

An amp is an amp. Lightray's amp from insanity was internal as well, but we still don't consider "bloodlusted Lightray" to be the same as "insane Lightray".

Read it. Doesn't prove anything.

Well, isn't that too bad for Lightray? I however don't doubt Thor could replicate what he did during Blood and Thunder if he were pissed. Thor has high end feats greater than what he did in this story. His high showings in this particular arc however have to be invalidated in some way as said high showings revolved around Thor raping Surfer.

Call it an amp if it helps you sleep better at night. I personally don't care. But don't assume the stance -at least where it was heading- that what Thor did during Blood and Thunder isn't something applicable to him due to a mythical amp. You can call it as outside of his norm if you like. That's fine.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1) The memory argument.

2) A pissed off Thor is more dangerous than a Warrior Madness Thor. Warrior Madness for like 99% of the time doesn't amp Thor's strength.

3) During his fight with Him, Thor fought solely like a a brick, throwing only punches. During his fight with Warlock and Surfer, Thor fought like a God. Energy projection, flying and so on was in full swing. Which would explain why Warlock believed Thor was more dangerous than he remembered.

You're argueing opinion here. You believe he meant one thing, I believe he meant another.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Read it. Doesn't prove anything.

Well, isn't that too bad for Lightray? I however don't doubt Thor could replicate what he did during Blood and Thunder if he were pissed. He has higher feats than treating Surfer like a b*tch.

Call it an amp if it helps you sleep better at night. I personally don't care. But don't assume the stance -at least where it was heading- that what Thor did during Blood and Thunder isn't something applicable to him due to a mythical amp. You can call it as outside of his norm if you like. That's fine.

I wasn't trying to prove anything, I was pointing out that my statement that most agree there was an amp involved is accurate. Not all mind you, but I can all but guarantee there are more people on KMC that have posted to say they believe he was than those that believe he wasn't.

Well good for you, feel free to not doubt it. I remember there were a couple of posters who said they believed Lightray could pull off his "insane" feats if he stopped holding back too. I myself DO doubt it...

I'm not just assuming that, I'm basing it on stuff.

^ Objection: bullsh1t.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah he did, he specifically said that Thor was more dangerous than he was in their previous encounter, and we all know that in that particular fight he was in the grips of Warrior Madness.

And I'm not saying that the vagueness does make it more reliable, I'm just pointing out that I'm not making the claim you think I am.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The memory was distant. And Warlock's recollection of it was understated. He literally states as much: Adam couldn't recall just how powerful Thor was and was reminded painfully. Adam literally states that Thor is much quicker than he "remembers" and that he is even "more dangerous than [he] remember[s]." How hard is it for you to continue avoiding that all these so-called comparisons actually are compared to Warlock's "distant memory?" Pretty hard I'd imagine:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock01Infi.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock03.jpg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Objection: bullsh1t.