Cross Genre Match #13: Wonder Woman vs Bleach

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
but superman isnt' wonder woman, shooting superman wiht a gun to the head would do nothing. but shooting wonder woman with a gun to the head would splat her brains.

No, it won't. She's been shot before by high-powered superscience rifles without bleeding, let alone normal guns.

Her bones are not in the slightest bit more vulnerable to guns or cutting, and while her skin and flesh is more vulnerable than it is to other stuff, it's still not as vulnerable as a normal human.

and how can the lasso protect against aizen's illusion when we have no freaking idea how it actually works?

Because her lasso is made of truth and works on illusions and falsehoods of all kinds.

actually, anyone out there who knows how his zanpakutou works?

Yes, it's a hypnotic ability that controls the senses of the target.

on a side note, aren't they death gods and only those with high reiatsu can see them? does wonder woman have a high reiatsu? he's physically strong but in terms of reiatsu....thinking about it, if she can't see or feel them, they'd kill her before she knows whats going on.

Wonder Woman has the eyes of a god (Athena) implanted into her head and is chalk full of magic, and even normal no-spirit-sense humans can touch 'em and fight that way.

So no, she won't have a problem with that as we discussed a lot in other pages.

Plus, there's no way she can be killed before knowing what's going on.

Remember when Tosen had Kenpachi in his bankai, and cut him repeatedly? Someone being cuttable doesn't mean they're in bad shape. Someone can still be just. that. tough. even if they're bleeding, and Diana is.

You're downplaying her immensely, but this is full-power Simone run Diana as had been decided earlier. Diana doesn't need the Bleach people reduced to win when she's in that state.

Originally posted by Q99
No, it won't. She's been shot before by high-powered superscience rifles without bleeding, let alone normal guns.

Her bones are not in the slightest bit more vulnerable to guns or cutting, and while her skin and flesh is more vulnerable than it is to other stuff, it's still not as vulnerable as a normal human.

Because her lasso is made of truth and works on illusions and falsehoods of all kinds.

Yes, it's a hypnotic ability that controls the senses of the target.

Wonder Woman has the eyes of a god (Athena) implanted into her head and is chalk full of magic, and even normal no-spirit-sense humans can touch 'em and fight that way.

So no, she won't have a problem with that as we discussed a lot in other pages.

Plus, there's no way she can be killed before knowing what's going on.

Remember when Tosen had Kenpachi in his bankai, and cut him repeatedly? Someone being cuttable doesn't mean they're in bad shape. Someone can still be just. that. tough. even if they're bleeding, and Diana is.

You're downplaying her immensely, but this is full-power Simone run Diana as had been decided earlier. Diana doesn't need the Bleach people reduced to win when she's in that state.

see? you go "her lasso is made of turth blah blah blah! she's got the eye of the godess blah blah balh" "she's gonna own them and she's got all the toys to make sure that none of their powas work"

who's downplaying who? if anyone here is guilty of downplaying, its you.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
see? you go "her lasso is made of turth blah blah blah! she's got the eye of the godess blah blah balh" "she's gonna own them and she's got all the toys to make sure that none of their powas work"

But she really has those powers and abilities.

Do you want to pretend that she doesn't? Because that seems to be what you're asking, for us to pretend that she doesn't and downplay her to the point that those powers will work.

who's downplaying who? if anyone here is guilty of downplaying, its you.

No, I'm not. I'm pointing out that even as strong as they are, she has counters and powers of her own.

It isn't downplaying if it's the other side being even more powerful. Is it that hard to consider that she could simply be stronger than they are at full, and have shown on-page being immune or resistant to powers just like the ones they use?

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just felt like posting something 😛

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
see? you go "her lasso is made of turth blah blah blah! she's got the eye of the godess blah blah balh" "she's gonna own them and she's got all the toys to make sure that none of their powas work"

who's downplaying who? if anyone here is guilty of downplaying, its you.

As before rephrasing a cogent argument to make it sound like a petulant dismissal isn't a real rebuttal.

It's like if we were discussing Batman vs Daredevil and a Batman supporter said "Batman turns off the lights and puts his night-vision goggles on and kicks ass."

If a Daredevil supporter said "Nuh uh Batman sucks and anyway Daredevil doesn't need light to see so nyah!" while childish he is correct about the second part, Daredevil's sixth sense thing/enhanced hearing and scent would make it so that the perceived advantage of Batman knocking out the lights and putting on NVGs would be moot.

So even if WW supporters were phrasing their arguments as childishly as you're trying to paint them it wouldn't necessarily mean they're incorrect.

What I see is someone who's frustrated because Wonder Woman has an admittedly frustrating array of offensive and defensive perks from her gear and her association with the Olympian Gods.

Originally posted by Q99
But she really has those powers and abilities.

Do you want to pretend that she doesn't? Because that seems to be what you're asking, for us to pretend that she doesn't and downplay her to the point that those powers will work.

No, I'm not. I'm pointing out that as strong as they are, she has counters and powers of her own.

It isn't downplaying if it's the other side being even more powerful.

i know she does, but to blindly claim that it will work and cancel out all of the bleach crew's attack is pure biased as we dont even know if it will really work given that their powers are reiatsu based and not magical nor physical in nature

you assuming that it will automatically work even if we dont know if it will work is downplaying.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo

just felt like posting something 😛

Yea, here's a similar feat from WW:

http://img197.imageshack.us/f/28091077.jpg/
http://img27.imageshack.us/f/79610078.jpg/

Ichigo takes Aizen just outside of town. Wonder Woman gets punched to Canada (from Washington DC) and is back in a few moments 🙂

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
i know she does, but to blindly claim that it will work and cancel out all of the bleach crew's attack is pure biased as we dont even know if it will really work given that their powers are reiatsu based and not magical nor physical in nature

you assuming that it will automatically work even if we dont know if it will work is downplaying.

It's a two way street, buddy.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hrm.

As before rephrasing a cogent argument to make it sound like a petulant dismissal isn't a real rebuttal.

It's like if we were discussing Batman vs Daredevil and a Batman supporter said "Batman turns off the lights and puts his night-vision goggles on and kicks ass."

If a Daredevil supporter said "Nuh uh Batman sucks and anyway Daredevil doesn't need light to see so nyah!" while childish he is correct about the second part, Daredevil's sixth sense thing/enhanced hearing and scent would make it so that the perceived advantage of Batman knocking out the lights and putting on NVGs would be moot.

So even if WW supporters were phrasing their arguments as childishly as you're trying to paint them it wouldn't mean they're incorrect.

What I see is someone who's frustrated because Wonder Woman has an admittedly frustrating array of offensive and defensive perks from her gear and her association with the Olympian Gods.

no, what we have here is that you and everyone supporting wonder woman claiming that all of her toys and trinkets and powers will automatically nullify all of the bleach character's powers even if you really dont know if it will work.

how often has wonder woman taken on opponents who's powers are reiatsu based?

sure, it will work if their powers are magical base or physical base but their not. and to automatically assume that it will work is pure biased and is downplaying bleach's power levels.

like i said, double standards is strong in KMC

what the hell is a reiatsu?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
By the same token is it biased to assume that any of these spiritual attacks will work on a creation of the Gods?

It's a two way street, buddy.

who said it will automatically work? i'm just pointing out how biased the arguments here are. to assume that one will work while dismissing the other is really annoying, biased and is double standard.

and in case you didn't see my earliest post, i said wonder woman would win.

i just dislike seeing such double standards.

From what I gather, it's some kind of spiritual energy and accompanying awareness/sensitivity.

Originally posted by illadelph12
From what I gather, it's some kind of spiritual energy and accompanying awareness/sensitivity.

ah... ok...

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
who said it will automatically work? i'm just pointing out how biased the arguments here are. to assume that one will work while dismissing the other is really annoying, biased and is double standard.

and in case you didn't see my earliest post, i said wonder woman would win.

i just dislike seeing such double standards.

Or saying ignorant things like a normal bullet would splatter WW's brains?

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
i know she does, but to blindly claim that it will work and cancel out all of the bleach crew's attack is pure biased as we dont even know if it will really work given that their powers are reiatsu based and not magical nor physical in nature

you assuming that it will automatically work even if we dont know if it will work is downplaying.

But it's not blindly, it really has worked against similar things.

Her lasso works on illusions technological, hypnotic, metapowered, magic, and even living fiction itself, for starters. It doesn't matter what's doing it in practice, because the lasso isn't paying attention to that, it is simply manifesting truth in place of the illusion.

And Barragan's power? We know it works by accelerating time/aging. But WW is immortal and shown not to age at all. So it will be working in the sense that 'her flesh will be accelerating through thousands of years,' it just won't harm her in doing so because that is not an effect that will negatively affect her even when done successfully.

The binding spells? It was specifically shown by Kensei that raw physical force did it and nothing else is needed, no funky reiatsu escape power.

So no, in none of those cases will the fact that it's reiatsu cause it to be super-effective.

We've also seen reiatsu-attacks work on purely physical non-reiatsu structures, and thus we know reiatsu does not automatically make an attack ignore physical toughness or anything, it still has to overcome something's own resilience.

We're not downplaying, we just aren't assuming reiatsu will have special properties against her that it's never shown.

how often has wonder woman taken on opponents who's powers are reiatsu based?

Conversely, how often have the Bleach characters taken on opponents who's powers are god-magic based?

It's not a double-standard, we simply aren't assuming a completely out-of-nowhere advantage for either side and working on both based on their observed raw power and how they've interacted with similar powers before.

Originally posted by -Pr-
what the hell is a reiatsu?

I have no idea...its what they call their power source in bleach, i think. my interpretation is that its their version of "ki" in dragonball and "spiritual energy" in yuyu hakusho

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
I have no idea...its what they call their power source in bleach, i think. my interpretation is that its their version of "ki" in dragonball and "spiritual energy" in yuyu hakusho

and that isn't considered to be magical in nature?

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, here's a similar feat from WW:

http://img197.imageshack.us/f/28091077.jpg/
http://img27.imageshack.us/f/79610078.jpg/

Ichigo takes Aizen just outside of town. Wonder Woman gets punched to Canada (from Washington DC) and is back in a few moments 🙂

we dont know how far out they are..they could be just like you said "just out of town" or maybe a few miles out of town, or a dozen miles away from town. who knows. its not shown.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
we dont know how far out they are..they could be just like you said "just out of town" or maybe a few miles out of town, or a dozen miles away from town. who knows. its not shown.

No, the other human characters in town are shown observing the explosions and lights of the fight later.

It's probably just a few miles.

Definitely not Canada-far 🙂

Originally posted by -Pr-
and that isn't considered to be magical in nature?

depends if you consider "ki" and "spiritual energy" as magical. imo, its not magical, its spiritual or something like that.