Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
depends if you consider "ki" and "spiritual energy" as magical. imo, its not magical, its spiritual or something like that.
Like I said a few posts up, we have no reason to assume special advantage for it against magic, though. Nor do we have a reason to assume magic has special advantage against it (they've never fought someone magic-powered after all), only how both have done against similar abilities in the past.
Originally posted by Q99
No, the other human characters in town are shown observing the explosions and lights of the fight later.It's probably just a few miles.
Definitely not Canada-far 🙂
i didn't notice, anyways, how about this, disintegrating or something the mountain
you know, its a really slow day when i'm posting scans for bleach when i myself think that wonder woman would win..
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Originally posted by Q99
Like I said a few posts up, we have no reason to assume special advantage for it against magic, though. Nor do we have a reason to assume magic has special advantage against it (they've never fought someone magic-powered after all), only how both have done against similar abilities in the past.
which is why i said we can't automatically assume things. wonder woman could maybe see through the illusion or maybe not. she could be bind by their spells, or maybe not.
better not to assume anything to begin with.
Originally posted by -Pr-
ah... ok...
I've been trying to look into the Bleach mythos a bit more in depth to offer an objective view (as I, per usual, don't have a dog in this fight or any favoritism). It appears that the Bleach characters are some stylixed variant on angels of life and death. Their abilities and nature is "supernatural", but it's not typical magic casting per se, it seems to be the moreso deal in manipulating soul and life energies for varying effects, and they are all spiritual beings. Possibly a level of divinity within their own universe.
I don't think they are being represented properly in the pro Bleach arguments though.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Would you consider The Phoenix Force magical?
IE Cosmic, mystical, physical, psionic, etc.
Maybe a thread should be made for that purpose.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I've been trying to look into the Bleach mythos a bit more in depth to offer an objective view (as I, per usual, don't have a dog in this fight or any favoritism). It appears that the Bleach characters are some stylixed variant on angels of life and death. Their abilities and nature is "supernatural", but it's not typical magic casting per se, it seems to be the moreso deal in manipulating soul and life energies for varying effects, and they are all spiritual beings. Possibly a level of divinity within their own universe.I don't think they are being represented properly in the pro Bleach arguments though.
ah.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Would you consider The Phoenix Force magical?
no. a cosmic entity.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
which is why i said we can't automatically assume things. wonder woman could maybe see through the illusion or maybe not. she could be bind by their spells, or maybe not.better not to assume anything to begin with.
But we're not automatically assuming.
Since I think you missed it, here it is again:
Her lasso works on illusions technological, hypnotic, metapowered, magic, and even living fiction itself, for starters. It doesn't matter what's doing it in practice, because the lasso isn't paying attention to that, the method of falsehood never matters to it, it is simply manifesting Truth in place of the illusion.
And Barragan's power? We know it works by accelerating time/aging. But WW is immortal and shown not to age at all. So it will be working in the sense that 'her flesh will be accelerating through thousands of years,' it just won't harm her in doing so because that is not an effect that will negatively affect her even when done successfully.
The binding spells? It was specifically shown by Kensei that raw physical force did it and nothing else is needed, no funky reiatsu escape power.
So no, in none of those cases will the fact that it's reiatsu cause it to be super-effective.
We've also seen reiatsu-attacks work on purely physical non-reiatsu structures, and thus we know reiatsu does not automatically make an attack ignore physical toughness or anything, it still has to overcome something's own resilience.
We don't have a reason to assume 'maybe' because reiatsu has no indication that it'd have special properties to make her countermeasures not work, to do so would be giving reiatsu extra powers.
It's not a double-standard, we simply aren't assuming a completely out-of-nowhere advantage for either side and working on both based on their observed raw power and how they've interacted with similar powers before.
We aren't assuming that her magic'll do better than it normally does either. This is judging based on shown capabilities.
a few things (for the following, please only use evidence [scans] from the WW we are discussing and not the entire span of her career):
1. how does this lasso work? can i get a scan or two showing how WW uses it to break illusions?
2. can i get a scan or two of WW tanking nukes and high yield explosives and if possible, include the resulting damage of the blast.
3. this one is a question i already asked to which i didn't get a sufficient answer to... can i get a scan showing how much damage WW can do with a punch.
4. can i get a scan showing how WW fairs against strong opponents who use blades/swords.
5. show me how this lasso works as it pertains to binding gasses and poisons.
6. please show examples WW fighting multiple opponents who have a high degree of speed and strength.
7. Are WW's lasso, tiara, and bracers immune to the effects of aging? If so, please provide evidence.
8. Please provide a scan where WW has defeated a foe while blind, deaf, lacking the sense of smell and the ability to otherwise sense an opponents location.
9. Please show an instance where WW has dodged large numbers of fast moving, highly destructive projectiles. (please do not use the Shattered God scan because that does not cover "large numbers of fast moving, highly destructive projectiles"😉
10. give an instance (using a scan) of the strongest obstacle (barrier, chains, shield, encasement, cell, etc) she has ever broken free from/smashed through and provide context that explains how strong said obstacle is.
11. please show how she fairs against temperatures capable of reducing rock into ash upon contact and that are high enough to ignite the surrounding air.
12. can someone show how fast WW is capable of throwing a punch/kick and also provide evidence as to how fast the reaction time of the target was to whom she used the attack on.
13. Is WW capable of moving when time has been stopped? If so, please provide evidence.
Originally posted by illadelph12
The energy itself, I mean. The Phoenix's Energy [b]is life/spirit energy as the Phoenix is the embodiment of it, and it's not necessarily magical, but certainly "divine".And there's also something like the Soul Gem. [/B]
Psionics and Spirits could be interpreted as pretty much the same thing, if not extremely closely related. Look at Shadow King, for example. He's a dismbodied psionic entity, which pretty much means he's a spirit, and he only exists on the Astral, or "Spiritual" plane, unless he inhabits a person's body.
Originally posted by illadelph12
The energy itself, I mean. The Phoenix's Energy [b]is life/spirit energy as the Phoenix is the embodiment of it, and it's not necessarily magical, but certainly "divine".And there's also something like the Soul Gem. [/B]
I honestly don't agree with that definition of the phoenix, but that's me.
Originally posted by Kal-El Summers
Bleach's magic is kido and only Shinigamis have been shown to use it so far.
so it IS magic?
