1. Current continuity has infinity gems
That were not 616 being powerless outside their relative gems.
And notice how current continuity does not reference a seventh or ego gem... Cough...
2. Warlock tells us the type of power te gems have is the same as the owe primordial.. That tells us it isn't magic... Or cosmic power or the power cosmic... Great we know what type it is... That does not mean it is not on par with the Phoenix...
Originally posted by rotiart
1. Current continuity has infinity gems
That were not 616 being powerless outside their relative gems.
And notice how current continuity does not reference a seventh or ego gem... Cough...
2. Warlock tells us the type of power te gems have is the same as the owe primordial.. That tells us it isn't magic... Or cosmic power or the power cosmic... Great we know what type it is... That does not mean it is not on par with the Phoenix...
1) You'll have to refer to the instances and issues, your word alone is not good enough. The sentience of the gems was disrupted as Nemesis got dissected by Black Knight and was split amongst the other gems which would probably be why theres no reference ....Pardon.....
2) Warlock doesnt tell us what type of power the gems have, he tells us their power source, where they draw their might from. That is the Big Bang which is the Phoenix Force. That coupled with the fact that current continuity also shows us on multiple instances (F4 as ive shown and the JLA/Avengers crossover which is canon) that the gems need to be in their native reality to have power then that shows that the gems are very much universal and limited in comparison to a Phoenix avatar like Jean Grey who has power over timelines and wields control over universes at a level beyond any the IG has displayed 🙂 The Phoenix Force itself who is the power source is another matter entirely. This thread is about the Force. Guess who wins with ridiculous ease? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou still in the UK homes?
I've had many breaks in university due to getting a good job and being tempted away by money for many years, but im part time now and im finishing off my studies whilst i work.I havent heard from Demi for years 🙁
I miss him and Whirlysplat. Those were the days. I need to get back in touch with Whirly cos ive moved near to where he does.
Originally posted by GalacticStormDoing good I am in a similar situation as yourself... Work over school because pay was pretty good but finishing school atm.
Yh still in the UK 😬 😂How u been?
All of these old faces are popping up. 🙂
Ya I miss those days when Whirly and I used to get on your nerve about the PF. Good times
Originally posted by kgkg
Doing good I am in a similar situation as yourself... Work over school because pay was pretty good but finishing school atm.Ya I miss those days when Whirly and I used to get on your nerve about the PF. Good times
They were the best times on here 😂
Whirly needs to come back and not get banned lol
Ohhh... Good rebuttal. Because it doesn't exist in the handbooks and hasn't been mentioned since the crossover it's my job to prove the ego gem "hasn't" been mentioned. :-)
And the fact that oddly the living tribunal said only the ig from 616 was not supposed to work together anymore but all these other universes could...
Okay offhand... During illuminati they are referred to as all six of the infinity gems or some such... During the issues with te many reeds every ig had only the six gems...even when they had the pet teacups with the pet avengers the only referenced the six gems... Are u saying then that during the crossover the ego gem was merged with the other six or that the seventh gem
Destroyed making it a moot point?
Originally posted by zopzop
You know very well what I mean. There were cosmics that were left out of the whole "Infinity XXX" mess. Where was the In-betweener? Oblivion? Infinity? The Vishanti? And others I'm sure I'm leaving out.
Infinity and Eternity are the same being. The In-Betweener got a beat down and his space gem stolen. You didn't read these books huh? Oblivion was busy backing Maelstrom in Cosmos In Collision happening during the same time. The Vishanti are below Lord Chaos and Master Order. If Starlin used them, he might as well bring up every other lowly mystics. The Phoenix Force was not used because Eternity represents the totality of everything, not Phoenix.
Just because an abstract/cosmic is left out of a storyline doesn't diminish their power or importance.
Apparently it does since the Phoenix Force doesn't show up to any of these events including Marvel's The End. When the highest of abstracts and LT show up to stop a threat and there's not a mention of the Phoenix Force, it's a dismissal of the entity's importance and power. But can you really blame them when the Phoenix has been killed and shattered by starships or some guy manipulating planetary polarities?
The forum rules don't mean jack when the WRITERS themselves say otherwise. The "What Ifs" are ALTERNATE universes that can and have affected 616 reality. See Quasar and the Starbrand. See the whole Time Quake fiasco.
Then why are you in this forum debating if that's the case? They aren't canon to mainstream Phoenix so quit whining. You proof is no proof at all. The Phoenix Force never destroyed a universe.
You still cannot show me an example of universal level destruction (baring a plot device like the HotI and the UN) on panel because you're full of it. The PF has done it.
Wait, what did Phoenix do again? It destroyed a universe where again? lol
The only thing we've seen Eternity do in 616 is blow up a planet while trying to kill Thanos. We haven't seen Infinity do much of anything.
Don't say we when you mean you. You haven't seen it because you didn't read enough books apparently. Maybe if you went and bought some books on these beings rather than going through bios and scans you might actually see feats.
GS provided the scan. It says it right there in black and white. You got counter proof? Post it.
Kubik wrecked Beyonder's POCKET DIMENSION. The Watcher had a MICRO UNIVERSE in his chest. Not exactly the same thing.
I just went through that book. All it mentions is Kubik holding Beyonder's universe. Where does it say pocket universe anywhere? You got counter proof? Post it. Because I backed up mine.
The Watcher referred to the PF as second only to the Creator. The scans GS posted have both Adam Warlock and Champion saying the IG's are powered by the Big Bang. We have Reed saying the Big Bang is just another name for the PF. You figure it out.
That's funny because it's coming from a Watcher for one. Let's believe Uatu who can't even keep his oath. The same guy who showed up and claimed Onslaught was a threat to the universe. WTF? And secondly, LT is the highest power in the MU after TOAA. Even Thanos confirmed this when he got the HOTU, TOAA's power. Kubik took Kosmos and a tour and Phoenix was at the bottom of the rung while Eternity and LT were at very top.
The big bang? So when the IB being destroyed itself to bring forth existence it didn't create a big bang? lol. Seis-Neg rebirth the cosmos through a big bang as well. The Alien Enity that merged with Reed also caused a big bang. Genis blew Entropy's head and brought forth existence. Entropy became Eternity when Genis' shot him and brought forth the universe. Just because there's a big bang doesn't mean it's the Phoenix Force. The concept of the Phoenix came after existence came into being. The Phoenix is not a creator, merely a representation of a concept. It's a representation of birth and rebirth. It has no power over the other primal forces.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]Infinity and Eternity are the same being. The In-Betweener got a beat down and his space gem stolen. You didn't read these books huh? Oblivion was busy backing Maelstrom in Cosmos In Collision happening during the same time. The Vishanti are below Lord Chaos and Master Order. If Starlin used them, he might as well bring up every other lowly mystics. The Phoenix Force was not used because Eternity represents the totality of everything, not Phoenix.
Infinity and Eternity aren't the same being. Prove that they are. They are closely related because of the way time/space interact but that's about it.
The In-betweener does not need the Soul Gem for anything! His powers come from the opposing forces of MO and LC. He's easily as powerful as Galactus and way more powerful than any single Celestial or Stranger or Eon. Why wasn't he there? His power set is totally unique even his masters can't replicate his feats (he ORDERED Death to take the ELders even after she made a promise she wouldn't).
The Vishanti have their own universe and it's maintained by Order/Chaos/In-betweener (confirmed by the LT). Not pocket dimension. Their own universe. Agamotto stalemated Galactus.
No Oblivion and Infinity were done with the whole Cosmos in COllision storyline. The IG took place after. When Thanos blows off Quasar's hands, Quasar quips "Not Again". Since Maelstrom had already sawed off his hands and this appearance was AFTER the Cosmos in Collision story had ended. Infinity and Oblivion were no shows. So according to you they don't rank in terms of power like the PF.
Apparently it does since the Phoenix Force doesn't show up to any of these events including Marvel's The End. When the highest of abstracts and LT show up to stop a threat and there's not a mention of the Phoenix Force, it's a dismissal of the entity's importance and power. But can you really blame them when the Phoenix has been killed and shattered by starships or some guy manipulating planetary polarities?Then why are you in this forum debating if that's the case? They aren't canon to mainstream Phoenix so quit whining. You proof is no proof at all. The Phoenix Force never destroyed a universe.
Wait, what did Phoenix do again? It destroyed a universe where again? lol
You keep beating around the bush and hiding behind the forum rules. They won't save you. According to Marvel, What If's are ALTERNATE universes. They can and have affected 616 reality before. I even gave you two examples : the Starbrand and the Time Quake storyline.
Forum rules can't change this fact.
Another funny fact : In the Guardians of the Galaxy timeline, Bubonicus infected Eternity with a plague that was powerful enough to eat through space/time. Who saves his a$$? The Phoenix of course. Put up that scan of him kneeling before the Phoenix to prideful to beg it to save him. The Phoenix spared him the humiliation and went ahead and "cured" him. This is canon since the Protege is/was from this very same universe and usurped the Tribunal's role until Scathan saved the day (it was mentioned in the LT's bio).
Don't say we when you mean you. You haven't seen it because you didn't read enough books apparently. Maybe if you went and bought some books on these beings rather than going through bios and scans you might actually see feats.
And yet you still provide nothing.
Gladly lol.
Uhm he was referring to Rachel not the PF. The PF was never in danger.
I just went through that book. All it mentions is Kubik holding Beyonder's universe. Where does it say pocket universe anywhere? You got counter proof? Post it. Because I backed up mine.
Yes please post the pics. It's a pocket universe because when the Beyonder brags that he's God here, look at the faces of his worshipers. They're all HUMAN. This fits in perfectly with Cube Beings being said to have the power to reshape/create worlds.
That's funny because it's coming from a Watcher for one. Let's believe Uatu who can't even keep his oath. The same guy who showed up and claimed Onslaught was a threat to the universe. WTF? And secondly, LT is the highest power in the MU after TOAA. Even Thanos confirmed this when he got the HOTU, TOAA's power. Kubik took Kosmos and a tour and Phoenix was at the bottom of the rung while Eternity and LT were at very top.
She was "at the bottom" because it's the source of EVERYTHING. Confirmed by Reed Richards : Big Bang = PF.
The big bang? So when the IB being destroyed itself to bring forth existence it didn't create a big bang? lol. Seis-Neg rebirth the cosmos through a big bang as well. The Alien Enity that merged with Reed also caused a big bang. Genis blew Entropy's head and brought forth existence. Entropy became Eternity when Genis' shot him and brought forth the universe. Just because there's a big bang doesn't mean it's the Phoenix Force. The concept of the Phoenix came after existence came into being. The Phoenix is not a creator, merely a representation of a concept. It's a representation of birth and rebirth. It has no power over the other primal forces.
The scans speak for themselves. If you don't like it contact Marvel.
"forums rules can't changes this fact"
So basically zopzop says he doesn't care how debates are managed here and that if there are rules he is just going to ignore them. Nice.... Idiot.
At least with galacticstorm people are actually debating positions you just are just running your mouth which makes the entire second half of your post pointless to read...
You also ignore the fact about what makes things cannon and what doesn't. I'd like to facepalm but it would be your face.
Originally posted by zopzop
Infinity and Eternity aren't the same being. Prove that they are. They are closely related because of the way time/space interact but that's about it.
The In-betweener does not need the Soul Gem for anything! His powers come from the opposing forces of MO and LC. He's easily as powerful as Galactus and way more powerful than any single Celestial or Stranger or Eon. Why wasn't he there? His power set is totally unique even his masters can't replicate his feats (he ORDERED Death to take the ELders even after she made a promise she wouldn't).
Lol. The In-Betweener got beat by Galactus. Lord Chaos and Master Order are far above him so why does he matter? He's not more powerful than The One Above All Celestials who fought along side Ziran against Thanos. Stop displaying your lack of knownledge. The IB wasn't there because Thanos already embarrassed him.
The Vishanti have their own universe and it's maintained by Order/Chaos/In-betweener (confirmed by the LT). Not pocket dimension. Their own universe. Agamotto stalemated Galactus.
Yeah for them but the embodiments of magic were there already. If the Phoenix Force is the representation of all life, where was it when Thanos tried to usurp the universe? Lol. During that storyline, Agamotto never gave a damn about Eternity's comatose condition. It was not his concern despite Strange's plea. So maybe you should pick up a book.
No Oblivion and Infinity were done with the whole Cosmos in COllision storyline. The IG took place after. When Thanos blows off Quasar's hands, Quasar quips "Not Again". Since Maelstrom had already sawed off his hands and this appearance was AFTER the Cosmos in Collision story had ended. Infinity and Oblivion were no shows. So according to you they don't rank in terms of power like the PF.
Cosmos In Collision finished up when IG kicked started. So yes, Cosmos In Collision did conclude before that fight between the Cosmic Gods and Thanos. Looking at Quasar 26, Thanos attended Eon's funeral and mocked the ceremony. As for Oblivion and Infinity, Thanos wanted to usurp the universe. That has nothing to do with Oblivion's concerns. Eternity and Infinity are essentially the same being. According to you, Phoenix represents life and everything in the universe. Thanos wanted to usurp the universe and subjugate the universe to his will and image. So where's the Force again?
You keep beating around the bush and hiding behind the forum rules. They won't save you. According to Marvel, What If's are ALTERNATE universes. They can and have affected 616 reality before. I even gave you two examples : the Starbrand and the Time Quake storyline.
Who cares but you? Who here uses What If's as feats for characters except you and other's reaching for feats? What's there to save me? The lack of feats you have without having to pull of What If versions of the Phoenix Force. LMAO.
Forum rules can't change this fact.
Change what fact? That that's a different Phoenix Force written when writer's can kill off characters without concern and destroy a universe without affecting continuity? Forum rules dictate how certain facts are used in a debate. FACT!
Another funny fact : In the Guardians of the Galaxy timeline, Bubonicus infected Eternity with a plague that was powerful enough to eat through space/time. Who saves his a$$? The Phoenix of course. Put up that scan of him kneeling before the Phoenix to prideful to beg it to save him. The Phoenix spared him the humiliation and went ahead and "cured" him. This is canon since the Protege is/was from this very same universe and usurped the Tribunal's role until Scathan saved the day (it was mentioned in the LT's bio).
WTF? Eternity was on his knees because of the pain. Seriously stop embarrassing yourself. Galactus performed a similar feat when Eternity was in a comatose caused by Magus' 6 Cosmic Cubes. No much that big of a feat.
And yet you still provide nothing.
Like when Eternity/Infinity beat down Magus with power to merge two universe, greater than 6 cosmic cube, and stopped an attack from the UN? Phoenix got stomped by Xorn.
Uhm he was referring to Rachel not the PF. The PF was never in danger.
Yeah, because Rachel's death would break the eternal pattern of the cosmos. That's why Roma, Uatu, and Death showed up huh? Rachel is so important.
Yes please post the pics. It's a pocket universe because when the Beyonder brags that he's God here, look at the faces of his worshipers. They're all HUMAN. This fits in perfectly with Cube Beings being said to have the power to reshape/create worlds.
Lol. Your logic makes no sense at all as to why this is pocket universe and not a full universe.
Universe. Universe. Universe. Universe. Pocket Universe..ROFL
She was "at the bottom" because it's the source of EVERYTHING. Confirmed by Reed Richards : Big Bang = PF.
The stars are the source of life from which all other life springs. Where do you get this nonsense of everything? Not everything in the universe is life. You know the difference right? It then went on to refer to the Dark Phoenix merely serving evolution itself. Where does it say the Phoenix is the power source for everything in the universe? Lol.
Where does it say it powers everything? Hey look, Eternity is mentioned as the SUM TOTAL OF ALL THINGS IN THIS UNIVERSE!! LMAO. And the Living Tribunal is mention as the Supreme power that can be comprehended. All in the same book.
The scans speak for themselves. If you don't like it contact Marvel.
Contact Marvel about what? If you can't afford to buy their books then it's your own fault.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]Stop embarrassing yourself.
What does that scan prove? Nothing. Earlier in the Cosmos in Collision arc after Quasar defeats Maelstrom, Oblivion says "let's summon our siblings and be done with this quickly." Then you see Eternity and Death appear from within Infinity and Oblivion saying "Death (Eternity) heads your summons my brother (sister)."
If they were the same being why would he need to heed her summons and appear, he'd already be there.
Read up on the relationship between space/time. She (Infinity) NEEDS Eternity to exist. Since space cannot exist without time.
Lol. The In-Betweener got beat by Galactus. Lord Chaos and Master Order are far above him so why does he matter? He's not more powerful than The One Above All Celestials who fought along side Ziran against Thanos. Stop displaying your lack of knownledge. The IB wasn't there because Thanos already embarrassed him.
"LOL", read that Silver Surfer issue again. In-betweener stalemated Galactus in Galactus' own realm of power. As they were drifting into a black hole, the In-betweener states "now we are coming into my realm, where I am strongest." Silver Surfer and crew pounce to Galactus' rescue and push them through the black hole into the magic universe.
Thanos embarrassed nothing. In-betweener was imprisoned by Order/Chaos in a realm in which his powers didn't work (some nexus where everything was already in balance).
The In-betweener is definitely more powerful than any single Celestial. Like I said, his powerset is totally unique and has feats even his creators can't match. See the above Death/Elders example.
Yeah for them but the embodiments of magic were there already. If the Phoenix Force is the representation of all life, where was it when Thanos tried to usurp the universe? Lol. During that storyline, Agamotto never gave a damn about Eternity's comatose condition. It was not his concern despite Strange's plea. So maybe you should pick up a book.
Where were the embodiments of magic? Order/Chaos? You got scans proving this or you're just making stuff up as you go along now?
Agamotto never cared because maybe a single universe isn't worth his notice? The LT even made such comments. In fact one of the few times the Vishanti were about to throw down, it was over an omniversal threat. Colossus has the scan.
Cosmos In Collision finished up when IG kicked started. So yes, Cosmos In Collision did conclude before that fight between the Cosmic Gods and Thanos. Looking at Quasar 26, Thanos attended Eon's funeral and mocked the ceremony. As for Oblivion and Infinity, Thanos wanted to usurp the universe. That has nothing to do with Oblivion's concerns. Eternity and Infinity are essentially the same being. According to you, Phoenix represents life and everything in the universe. Thanos wanted to usurp the universe and subjugate the universe to his will and image. So where's the Force again?
It wasn't Oblivion's concern? Thanos was becoming the God of 616, how would that not be any concern to Oblivion? He was taking out abstracts like it was going out of style.
Where was Infinity? No show. Where was Oblivion? No show. Where was the In-betweener? No show. Where was the Vishanti? No show. Even the LT only made a single appearance and was absent throughout the rest of the IG saga.
Who cares but you? Who here uses What If's as feats for characters except you and other's reaching for feats? What's there to save me? The lack of feats you have without having to pull of What If versions of the Phoenix Force. LMAO.Change what fact? That that's a different Phoenix Force written when writer's can kill off characters without concern and destroy a universe without affecting continuity? Forum rules dictate how certain facts are used in a debate. FACT!
WTF? Eternity was on his knees because of the pain. Seriously stop embarrassing yourself. Galactus performed a similar feat when Eternity was in a comatose caused by Magus' 6 Cosmic Cubes. No much that big of a feat.
See this? This is how I know you're full of it. You can't give me an example can you? The PF has destroyed universes twice on panel. In What If : Rise and fall of the Shiar Empire, it was destroying galaxies like they were going out of style and the surviving Watchers were terrified it was going to do so to all existence.
Eternity was on his knees in pain, to proud to beg the Phoenix to "cure" it. And Galactus' feat is nowhere near what the Phoenix did.
Galactus TEMPORARILY revived a catatonic Eternity, Phoenix PERMANENTLY cured a dying Eternity. Post the scans, if you have them. He (Eternity) was reeling in pain as the Phoenix cauterized his wound. Now that was the Phoenix healing him. It could just as easily of destroyed him.
Like when Eternity/Infinity beat down Magus with power to merge two universe, greater than 6 cosmic cube, and stopped an attack from the UN? Phoenix got stomped by Xorn.
A distracted Magus with Warlock lunging toward the Gauntlet. Seems awfully coordinated.
Yeah, because Rachel's death would break the eternal pattern of the cosmos. That's why Roma, Uatu, and Death showed up huh? Rachel is so important.
Uhm yes? Galactus or Death goes on to say that Phoenix (aka Rachel) has a destiny she must fulfill.
Lol. Your logic makes no sense at all as to why this is pocket universe and not a full universe.Universe. Universe. Universe. Universe. Pocket Universe..ROFL
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Yes pocket dimension. Look at "God's" worshipers when he was bragging that he was the whole "universe", they're all HUMANS. No Kree, Skrulls, Badoon, Shiar, etc.....
His "omnipotence", like his universe was an illusion. It's not like this hasn't happened before. In the Atlantis Attacks Thor Annual, Thor himself said that the Beyonder's destruction of a galaxy was a mere illusion.
The stars are the source of life from which all other life springs. Where do you get this nonsense of everything? Not everything in the universe is life. You know the difference right? It then went on to refer to the Dark Phoenix merely serving evolution itself. Where does it say the Phoenix is the power source for everything in the universe? Lol.Where does it say it powers everything? Hey look, Eternity is mentioned as the SUM TOTAL OF ALL THINGS IN THIS UNIVERSE!! LMAO. And the Living Tribunal is mention as the Supreme power that can be comprehended. All in the same book.
Look at those scans again. See the first one? The "bottom" as you say was described as this "The first, and in many ways the greatest, of the principalities." You know what that means right?
Also you realize that "Dark Phoenix" is merely an aspect of the PF right?
Contact Marvel about what? If you can't afford to buy their books then it's your own fault.
It's also not my, or Marvel's fault, that you have problems reading and comprehending what you are reading.
What does that scan prove? Nothing. Earlier in the Cosmos in Collision arc after Quasar defeats Maelstrom, Oblivion says "let's summon our siblings and be done with this quickly." Then you see Eternity and Death appear from within Infinity and Oblivion saying "Death (Eternity) heads your summons my brother (sister)."
Lol. WTF. I give you proof right there and now you deny it? Even Quasar questions it when they came forth. He said were Eternity and Death there all along? Eternity and Infinity states they're same being. They're just aspects of the same being, Eternity, the universe.
If they were the same being why would he need to heed her summons and appear, he'd already be there.Read up on the relationship between space/time. She (Infinity) NEEDS Eternity to exist. Since space cannot exist without time.
Eternity is the universe, not just time. They're just part of the universe, Eternity.
"LOL", read that Silver Surfer issue again. In-betweener stalemated Galactus in Galactus' own realm of power. As they were drifting into a black hole, the In-betweener states "now we are coming into my realm, where I am strongest." Silver Surfer and crew pounce to Galactus' rescue and push them through the black hole into the magic universe.Thanos embarrassed nothing. In-betweener was imprisoned by Order/Chaos in a realm in which his powers didn't work (some nexus where everything was already in balance).
The In-betweener is definitely more powerful than any single Celestial. Like I said, his powerset is totally unique and has feats even his creators can't match. See the above Death/Elders example.
He couldn't kill Galactus but you expect him to take out Thanos who's also unique and exist outside the influence of IB's masters. Lol. He brought Death to take out the Elders. So what is his contribution to the fight? Using his special ability to have Death kill Thanos? Influence Thanos to kill himself? What for when Mistress Love and Sire Hate are already there? You say unique but what does he bring that none of the other abstracts don't have in power? lol. He's just a redundant character to show up for the fight. He adds nothing to the group. And most importantly, he was being punished by his masters for breaking free of their MYSTIC cage.
Where were the embodiments of magic? Order/Chaos? You got scans proving this or you're just making stuff up as you go along now?Agamotto never cared because maybe a single universe isn't worth his notice? The LT even made such comments. In fact one of the few times the Vishanti were about to throw down, it was over an omniversal threat. Colossus has the scan.
Yeah for Colossus for having scans. Why don't you provide your own scans? In his own realm, Mephisto held his own against Galactus. Good feat for Agamotto stalemating Galactus but outside his realm he ain't competing with the abstracts.
It wasn't Oblivion's concern? Thanos was becoming the God of 616, how would that not be any concern to Oblivion? He was taking out abstracts like it was going out of style.
Because Eternity sent them to stop Thanos. Thanos wasn't intending to destroy the universe, just usurp Eternity's position. It's not any concern of Oblivion either.
Where was Infinity? No show. Where was Oblivion? No show. Where was the In-betweener? No show. Where was the Vishanti? No show. Even the LT only made a single appearance and was absent throughout the rest of the IG saga.
Even LT made only a single appearance and was absent throughout the rest of the IG saga? After this line, why take you seriously?
See this? This is how I know you're full of it. You can't give me an example can you? The PF has destroyed universes twice on panel. In What If : Rise and fall of the Shiar Empire, it was destroying galaxies like they were going out of style and the surviving Watchers were terrified it was going to do so to all existence.
Nope, all I see is a whiner that have no feat and cling onto non-canon feats from What-If versions of the Phoenix Force to claim mainstream Phoenix can do the same thing.
Eternity was on his knees in pain, to proud to beg the Phoenix to "cure" it. And Galactus' feat is nowhere near what the Phoenix did.Galactus TEMPORARILY revived a catatonic Eternity, Phoenix PERMANENTLY cured a dying Eternity. Post the scans, if you have them. He (Eternity) was reeling in pain as the Phoenix cauterized his wound. Now that was the Phoenix healing him. It could just as easily of destroyed him.
LMAO. He merely cauterized the infection. Galactus release Eternity's mind from a power that's enough to create a duplicate universe. I like how you can try to say that Phoenix could've EASILY destroyed Eternity when in the next issue got handled by Dormammu.
A distracted Magus with Warlock lunging toward the Gauntlet. Seems awfully coordinated.
WTF? A Magus with the ability to move back and forth time or anywhere in space is going to have problems with Warlock "lunging" at him. That power he had was enough to stop the UN and teleport it into his hand with a thought. Warlock hardly did anything.
Uhm yes? Galactus or Death goes on to say that Phoenix (aka Rachel) has a destiny she must fulfill.
Just stop. Why did Galactus want to kill Rachel in the first place? And why did he release Rachel?
Yes pocket dimension. Look at "God's" worshipers when he was bragging that he was the whole "universe", they're all HUMANS. No Kree, Skrulls, Badoon, Shiar, etc.....
So what? That's your proof? So nothing then. It was a universe. That just happens to be the life form he choose to create to serve him. There's no indication it's still not a universe they existence when all indications are that it's a universe. Hell, the word universe is used at least 4 times.
His "omnipotence", like his universe was an illusion. It's not like this hasn't happened before. In the Atlantis Attacks Thor Annual, Thor himself said that the Beyonder's destruction of a galaxy was a mere illusion.
And what book should I look into about Beyonder's universe being an illusion? None of the other characters that fought in that universe, including three other cube being and Doom refer to it as an illusion or pocket universe.
Originally posted by zopzop
Look at those scans again. See the first one? The "bottom" as you say was described as this "The first, and in many ways the greatest, of the principalities." You know what that means right?
It means the sustenance of life. It's important to life.
Also you realize that "Dark Phoenix" is merely an aspect of the PF right?
Same being with different personality. One is the guardian of life while the other desires destruction and emotion. It's merely serves evolution and is not above it.
It's also not my, or Marvel's fault, that you have problems reading and comprehending what you are reading. [/B]
Hahaha. What a lame come back. Learned this from Quanchi? I don't know if I should feel sorry for you trying your best try to prove Phoenix as the power of everything when even in the same book it's Eternity who is the sum of everything in the universe while LT is the highest in the cosmic hierarchy.
