Originally posted by quanchi112
You've never ever countered this. This just shows without the boots he can't contend with them making this only possible with the boots showing without them he's nowhere near strong enough to contest with them only with the added weight the boots provide. That was so much fun but moving on.
Ireelevant to Ganondorf or Archdemon. Regardless, I countered it as soon as I showed you this:
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1:16, bro.
What being was much larger than the archdemon ? Name one please.
Diababa, the first boss, is larger than the Archdemon. Fyrus is roughly similar in size. Morpheel is several times larger. Stallord is several times larger. Armoghoma is several times larger. Blizzeta is of similar size. Argorok is of similar size. Still irrelevant to Ganondorf, though, except for the fact that Beast Ganon is also bigger than the Archdemon.
Link's opponents save Zant and a few others weren't up to par by any means considering who you face up against in dragon age. I mean giant spiders and what not aren't formidable by any means it's just dull and unimpressive. Try taking it to sloth demons, caladrius, witherfang, zathrian, etc. Yeah, much more formidable and much more well organized than the typical shadow beats you flip your wolf tail into to beat.
Really? I haven't seen anything that impressive, considering the final boss is so vulnerable to normal swords. And nothing you named even comes close to Ganondorf or Zant. A few mages and a wolf?
Correct dorf was taken quite easily due to overconfidence which suggests a real stupidity in his character. Thanks for reminding me how stupid he is.
No, since that was a flashback that does not reflect the current Ganondorf's character. If you remember, he came back and broke the Mirror. Also, how many times must I tell you that Ganondorf was not at full power?
I said he was dominated by the sages not killed. So please at least address what it is I actually state as opposed to what you believe I state. Thanks.
I never said anything of the sort. The Sages didn't dominate Ganondorf either, and I never implied thet you said anything about them killing him. Except that he was killed before the Triforce of Power manifested when they stabbed his powerless form, which is what I actually said.
The sages lost one man and despite the triforce of power aiding him it still didn't matter as he was easily defeated. The guy isn't cut out for destroying large numbers of enemies it seems unlike the Archdemon.
Ganondorf was not trying, and it's a flashback to when he just recieved his powers. How do you suggest Ganondorf escape the Mirror of Twilight when he's had power for all of 30 seconds?
Dorf killed one sage. He also didn't disintegrate midna so don't start claiming he can simply disintegrate his foes now. It just gets so ridiculous when you enter the debate sometimes. The sages foolishly watched as he broke free and then when they realized he killed one easily dismissed him without losing more than a man. That's called a sonning. They chained him up and lost one man and immediately sent him packing.
Don't ignore the feat. Ganondorf disintegrated a guy. Yeah, the Sages couldn't actually beat Ganondorf so they had to cheat with an Artifact. The Archdemon can't do that, so why do you bring it up?
Dorf hasn't proven he can disintegrate anyone just a sage but wasn't even fast enough to take out more than one. Terrible feat it shows he can't take on large groups and later Link himself just crushes him with little to no experience. Horrible.
First off, Ganondorf is fighting the Archdemon, who does not have the Mirror of Twilight or the Master Sword. Second, the Archdemon is not a group, and isn't weilding a weapon that can harm Ganondorf. The Archdemon is much worse, since he got owned by one guy with a normal sword.
The archdemon doesn't need to teleport him away as he can tear his body in half with his jaws. We have already seen Link easily kill him with a simple impalement and already seen a sage impale him. he's not durable by any means and gets crushed.
The Archdemon hasn't displayed the strength necessary to harm Ganondorf, nor does he have Ganondorf's weakness. Link was using the Master Sword, and the Sage's had a similar sword but stabbed him before he got any powers, after which he ignored it. And if you forgot, Ganondorf can survive without a body.
If Riordan tore him to pieces why is he able to dominate the mini forces on the roof and take on your party for 20 mins ? Hmmmm....maybe because unlike dorf he can take on groups whereas Dorf can't. Dorf was killed by Link whereas the archdemon defeated Riordan quite easily. He also can fly just not large disatances. He flys all the time in your battle against him, sport.
Because gameplay? In cutscene, a normal guy with a sword is all it takes to mess the Archdemon up badly, whereas Ganondorf laughs at swords. What part of that scene makes you think the Archdemon won easily? Riordan dominated him for the entire thing, and only died because he lost his grip. Had the sword not been cutting the Archdemon like butter, Riordan would have killed it.
Dorf isn't durable at all he gets impaled all the time and beaten all the time. By feats he's quite incompetent and stupid which you yourself brought up.
Impaled once before he got powers. Impaled again by a sword capable of negating those powers. Get a new argument, that one has long since stopped working. Again, you're being fallacious since that was a flashback and Ganondorf has gotten better since then. By feats, the Archdemon is also a moron since it can't even shake one guy off its back, and it looks to be made of paper.
Dorf didn't blow up the castle it's unclear and could be Midna who did so. Laughs.
Ganondorf defeated Midna there. It's quite clear he did it.
Archdemon takes on groups whereas a group easily chains up dorf and sends him packing when they want to. Dorf also gets beaten one on one to someone he is much more experienced than.
Please stop saying that, it's wrong. Ganondorf did not have powers then, and the Sages had to resort to an Artifact because they couldn't win on their own. Again, the Archdemon is killed by a guy with a normal sword.
Dorf can't possess the archdemon. He didn't possess a sage or anyone outside a prisoner zelda. Get a clue.
And the Archdemon has no resistance to possession.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not when he lost both times due to the same thing. Thanos doesn't lose only when he subconsciously allows himself to anyways.
He was not defeated by the same thing at all. The first was when he was powerless, and the second was due to the Mastwer Sword weakening him. And the Archdemon got messed up by a normal guy with a normal sword, and then killed by a normal guy with a normal sword. Your argument has backfired.
So was dorf yet he was stunned for a good while and died the second time. Any sword can impale dorf leaving him completely at your mercy unlike the archdemon.
No. Ganondorf did not have any power when the Sages stabbed him. After he got his power, he ignored the sword completely, and he wasn't even harmed by pulling it out, which would normally make things a bit worse. Ganondorf is immune to normal swords.
He was impaled both swords that were rammed into him. Link's sword also can be blocked by any knight foes showing it's not some unblockable sword it's due to skill with his blows not some badass sword that can't be stopped.
The Master Sword is Evil's Bane, meaning it deals extra damage to evil beings and allows him to bypass Ganondorf's immunities. Have you not seen the Master Sword utterly ruin Darknut armor? And did you just admit to Link having skills?
When has dorf possessed any victim say a captive zelda? Did he possess a sage or Link? Nah.
Remember that time Zant got all competent all of a sudden? That was Ganondorf's influence. And yes, he possessed Zelda. There's no need to possess a Sage and Link has the Master Sword, and Triforce of Courage, which protects him. The Archdemon has no such protection.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteName me who he possessed while actively fighting a conscious opponent...please.
He probably didn't even realise he had the power whne he fought the sages, and Link is protected. 😐 We keep mentioning that.
Originally posted by NemeBroI accept your concession.
So you can't, then? Good to know.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Was she conscious and attacking him?
Nah, but the Archdemon won't be either so it doesn't matter much. All it takes is a sword to the neck and the Archdemon's down, whereas Ganondorf needed to be fought four times to get him to the point where he could be impaled with a magic sword designed to peirce his defense.
Originally posted by The ScenarioSo you have no examples of him possessing a conscious opponent just like I stated originally. Looks like I was right all along while you weren't once again all along.
Nah, but the Archdemon won't be either so it doesn't matter much. All it takes is a sword to the neck and the Archdemon's down, whereas Ganondorf needed to be fought four times to get him to the point where he could be impaled with a magic sword designed to peirce his defense.
That's not all it takes if you played the game you'd realize that's what only happens after you defeat him after Riordan's damage and the miniforces damage whereas with Dorf one sowrd impalement is all it takes.
Originally posted by NemeBroInsulting me only further validates my victory here.
It's okay Quan, these other guys don't understand, I do. I have often done volunteer work for the mentally disabled, so I know your struggle. 🙂
Originally posted by The ScenarioThat's a gameplay mechanic issue. He responds the same way but cannot ever stop their momentum in the game until he equips the boots. Find me him stopping one or overpowering one without the boots on and you win otherwise I win.
Ireelevant to Ganondorf or Archdemon. Regardless, I countered it as soon as I showed you this:
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1:16, bro.Diababa, the first boss, is larger than the Archdemon. Fyrus is roughly similar in size. Morpheel is several times larger. Stallord is several times larger. Armoghoma is several times larger. Blizzeta is of similar size. Argorok is of similar size. Still irrelevant to Ganondorf, though, except for the fact that Beast Ganon is also bigger than the Archdemon.
Really? I haven't seen anything that impressive, considering the final boss is so vulnerable to normal swords. And nothing you named even comes close to Ganondorf or Zant. A few mages and a wolf?
No, since that was a flashback that does not reflect the current Ganondorf's character. If you remember, he came back and broke the Mirror. Also, how many times must I tell you that Ganondorf was not at full power?
I never said anything of the sort. The Sages didn't dominate Ganondorf either, and I never implied thet you said anything about them killing him. Except that he was killed before the Triforce of Power manifested when they stabbed his powerless form, which is what I actually said.
Ganondorf was not trying, and it's a flashback to when he just recieved his powers. How do you suggest Ganondorf escape the Mirror of Twilight when he's had power for all of 30 seconds?
Don't ignore the feat. Ganondorf disintegrated a guy. Yeah, the Sages couldn't actually beat Ganondorf so they had to cheat with an Artifact. The Archdemon can't do that, so why do you bring it up?
First off, Ganondorf is fighting the Archdemon, who does not have the Mirror of Twilight or the Master Sword. Second, the Archdemon is not a group, and isn't weilding a weapon that can harm Ganondorf. The Archdemon is much worse, since he got owned by one guy with a normal sword.
The Archdemon hasn't displayed the strength necessary to harm Ganondorf, nor does he have Ganondorf's weakness. Link was using the Master Sword, and the Sage's had a similar sword but stabbed him before he got any powers, after which he ignored it. And if you forgot, Ganondorf can survive without a body.
Because gameplay? In cutscene, a normal guy with a sword is all it takes to mess the Archdemon up badly, whereas Ganondorf laughs at swords. What part of that scene makes you think the Archdemon won easily? Riordan dominated him for the entire thing, and only died because he lost his grip. Had the sword not been cutting the Archdemon like butter, Riordan would have killed it.
Impaled once before he got powers. Impaled again by a sword capable of negating those powers. Get a new argument, that one has long since stopped working. Again, you're being fallacious since that was a flashback and Ganondorf has gotten better since then. By feats, the Archdemon is also a moron since it can't even shake one guy off its back, and it looks to be made of paper.
Ganondorf defeated Midna there. It's quite clear he did it.
Please stop saying that, it's wrong. Ganondorf did not have powers then, and the Sages had to resort to an Artifact because they couldn't win on their own. Again, the Archdemon is killed by a guy with a normal sword.
And the Archdemon has no resistance to possession.
Are these enemies from this game or are you naming them from different games again ?
Dorf is vulnerable to normal swords as well. Link's sword can be blocked by opposing knights in the game anyways. Two swords both pierced him and in the game the master sword isn't perceived in this game anyways as being unblockable it just has to do with the skill to land these strikes.
Dorf was at full power he used the triforce and was still beaten despite using one of the most powerful plot devices in the game. He took one sage out after they stood there and watched his next actions, stunned.
Not my problem he was easily defeated with the triforce of power. That's his problem but only losing one sage doesn't strike fear with the power triforce by any means.
He destroyed one sage. He used the triforce because he was already defeated so they used the mirror. You can't fault them for using something when they already defeated him on their own and only did so in response to him using the triforce. That won't happen to the archdemon anyways.
A giant dragon hasn't displayed the strength to harm someone who was impaled and quite easily both fights we see of him per video. Surely you jest. If a sage can use the force needed and so can Link who can't even wield the ball and chain with one hand then I don't even think he loses a tooth when he eats him.
Dorf isn't durable by any means. He's not effective as a fighter either as he tends to get impaled most of the time.
We don't need plot devices here and Riordan was defeated and easily. Dorf however was defeated both times. You bring up the archdemon actually killing someone as proof of what how much damage he can take without breaking a sweat...nice.
Dorf can't survive without a body. He died with a sword in him. You are taking things out of context again.
It's also speculation Riordan would have killed it. Dorf doesn't laugh off swords either he sits there and begs for more power. If he doesn't get it he dies if he does he gets another crack but either way he sits there helpless in the meantime.
He was impaled before his powers saved him and after. His powers never made his skin more durable. I have no idea where you dream this stuff up. You at this point are making things up again and pretending he laughs off swords when it easily sticks in him.
He defeated her and she lived whereas he died. We don't know what destroyed the castle I think it had to do with their battle not one or the other.
Dorf used the triforce to get back in the fight so why is he allowed to use a powerful artifact while they can't. I will tell you why because you use many double standards and this is one of them.
Without artifacts dorf was beat and when they both used them he got beat. He loses no matter what he does.
Dorf hasn't shown the power nor the inclination to possess someone he is fighting while conscious so you don't have anything just another desperate claim.
Originally posted by The ScenarioHe wasn't powerless he just didn't have the aid of the triforce of power and even when he used it he was defeated and then beaten by Link. Guess what Link impaled him.
He was not defeated by the same thing at all. The first was when he was powerless, and the second was due to the Mastwer Sword weakening him. And the Archdemon got messed up by a normal guy with a normal sword, and then killed by a normal guy with a normal sword. Your argument has backfired.No. Ganondorf did not have any power when the Sages stabbed him. After he got his power, he ignored the sword completely, and he wasn't even harmed by pulling it out, which would normally make things a bit worse. Ganondorf is immune to normal swords.
The Master Sword is Evil's Bane, meaning it deals extra damage to evil beings and allows him to bypass Ganondorf's immunities. Have you not seen the Master Sword utterly ruin Darknut armor? And did you just admit to Link having skills?
Remember that time Zant got all competent all of a sudden? That was Ganondorf's influence. And yes, he possessed Zelda. There's no need to possess a Sage and Link has the Master Sword, and Triforce of Courage, which protects him. The Archdemon has no such protection.
Dorf isn't immune to normal swords he had the power necessary to resist death there. But had he been immune he wouldn't need to use the triforce nor would he have died the second time he was impaled.
We don't use plot devices in these threads otherwise archdemon never dies and if dorf wants to find that blood he dies too. Don't worry he could never pull it off against someone this powerful anyways.
So you can't prove he can possess a conscious opponent. You do realize in most possession cases it's a test of wills so obviously someone unconscious would present an easier challenge but who cares he has never done it to anyone conscious anyways.
He should have done something against the sages because he got beat again despite using the triforce because he already got beat once without it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You abandoned the debate which means I accept your concession.
Since when was this a debate? like a lot of KMC this is a squabble, it cant really be a real argument until you start posting videos or source evidence which you seem to be terrified of, so until then you have nothing backing you up apart from your own words.
Archdemon gets killed by normal people with normal swords. The only reason it's even a threat at all is because only a Gray Warden can kill it or it will come back.
Ganandorf cannot be harmed by normal blades. Even the Master Sword, the sword of evils bane, which was designed specifically to kill evil, had a hard time actually killing him.
Furthermore, Link is not a normal human. He is connected to the past Links, either a descendant or something. He is NOT just a farm boy who learned real quick to wield a sword.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Archdemon gets killed by normal people with normal swords. The only reason it's even a threat at all is because only a Gray Warden can kill it or it will come back.
I wouldn't exactly call them normal. On the other hand, Riordan's (seemingly) normal sword cut through the Archdemon like tissue paper.