i don't really want to read all the arguments, just want to put my 2 cents in, i might end up reading later lol.
I just don't see the big deal with ganon, sure he is way powerful, for that universe. and archimond is really powerful too...just not really for his respective universe (keeping in mind the old gods, kil'jeaden, and sargeras). I think archimond has more powerful magic, defense, and intelligence. but really, this is not really based on anything, probably based more on their portrayal of him than anything else.
Originally posted by menokokoroWrong game, boyo.
i don't really want to read all the arguments, just want to put my 2 cents in, i might end up reading later lol.I just don't see the big deal with ganon, sure he is way powerful, for that universe. and archimond is really powerful too...just not really for his respective universe (keeping in mind the old gods, kil'jeaden, and sargeras). I think archimond has more powerful magic, defense, and intelligence. but really, this is not really based on anything, probably based more on their portrayal of him than anything else.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtYou've played the game what is it you are disputing ?
Since when was this a debate? like a lot of KMC this is a squabble, it cant really be a real argument until you start posting videos or source evidence which you seem to be terrified of, so until then you have nothing backing you up apart from your own words.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeHe changed his molecules around and wasn't fatally wounded when he was he died with a body. It's obvious I am right.
Ahaha, Quan, did you really just say Ganondorf can't survive without a body? Think about that.You seriously don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlorySo a really old Riordan who was an experienced grey warden wasn't someone special ? 😂 😂
I wouldn't exactly call them normal. On the other hand, Riordan's (seemingly) normal sword cut through the Archdemon like tissue paper.
We also saw two swords easily impaled dorf like tissue paper as well except the archdemon defeated riordan but dorf didn't defeat the sages or Link.
Originally posted by NemeBroLink wouldn't survive that fall either. Link take on monkeys with boomerangs. LOL. In dragon age it's where the men come to fight not cute horses and random bad monkeys. Link would get beat by practically any grey warden we see in the game.
Riordan got killed by a fall which Link easily survived... Actually Link has been shot from higher. Riordan is a little ***** in comparison.
Originally posted by quanchi112Only he survived a fall from much higher up. Which proves your statement wrong. Which you don't realise because you're mentally disabled.
Link wouldn't survive that fall either. Link take on monkeys with boomerangs. LOL. In dragon age it's where the men come to fight not cute horses and random bad monkeys. Link would get beat by practically any grey warden we see in the game.
Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]He changed his molecules around and wasn't fatally wounded when he was he died with a body. It's obvious I am right.[B]
Really? From what I understand, Ganon was living in the Twilight Realm for hundreds of years without a body. He did the same when he was kicked out of Zant's and Zelda's, just not for hundred of years.
Originally posted by NemeBroThere you go again with the personal attacks. Don't take this stuff so personally and keep this debate oriented. When did he survive a much higher fall in this game ?
Only he survived a fall from much higher up. Which proves your statement wrong. Which you don't realise because you're mentally disabled.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeWhat ? We saw his essence was alive and he had form. When he gets fatally wounded he dies just like in the game. I mean geez the archdemon is immortal as well without a warden to defeat him.
Really? From what I understand, Ganon was living in the Twilight Realm for hundreds of years without a body. He did the same when he was kicked out of Zant's and Zelda's, just not for hundred of years.
Originally posted by NemeBroWhen he changed his form time and time again. We saw him as the beast, giant head, humanoid form, etc. Must I hol dyour hand through this entire process ?
When?
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeI never said it did but I did say unless fatally wounded Dorf doesn't die. In the real world without a neck you can't survive but in the game dorf can turn into a head and be fine but if you impale the guy things aren't looking good for him.
Form =/= a body. Your claim has been disproved. Accept it.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeHe can alter his form and doesn't need a body but if his form or body takes fatal damage he dies. He died in tp. Laughs.
Actually, before that you did say "Ganondorf can't survive without a body." And way to state the obvious. "Things don't die unless they are fatally wounded." Except for the fact that Ganondorf doesn't die when fatally wounded either.
The timeline says otherwise.
link-rape
And no. Still false. His body was destroyed and long gone many times before as well as in TP. The only time he was finished was when he was impaled with the Master Sword. You know, Blade of Evil's Pain, suppressed a bulk of Ganon's power in WW, key to time. Etc, etc.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeIt doesn't matter he gets defeated all the time and in this game was killed and even if he later comes back again he loses the forum matchup. if it takes him a year to muster up enough power or return he loses the vs. matchup.
The timeline says otherwise.link-rape
And no. Still false. His body was destroyed and long gone many times before as well as in TP. The only time he was finished was when he was impaled with the Master Sword. You know, Blade of Evil's Pain, suppressed a bulk of Ganon's power in WW, key to time. Etc, etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's a gameplay mechanic issue. He responds the same way but cannot ever stop their momentum in the game until he equips the boots. Find me him stopping one or overpowering one without the boots on and you win otherwise I win.
No, you're still not understanding what is happening. Boots = stop Goron. They are not needed to lift one. That video outright shows you that Link could have stopped the Goron if he had more room to stop.
Are these enemies from this game or are you naming them from different games again ?
Did you even play Twilight Princess? Yes, every single creature on that list I gave you is in fact from Twilight Princess, and yes, every single one is either just as big as or much bigger than the Archdemon.
Dorf is vulnerable to normal swords as well. Link's sword can be blocked by opposing knights in the game anyways. Two swords both pierced him and in the game the master sword isn't perceived in this game anyways as being unblockable it just has to do with the skill to land these strikes.
Ganondorf is not vulnerable to normal swords, as was demonstrated when he laughed at the Sages sword and pulled it out without injury. They only injured him because he did not have his Triforce.
Dorf was at full power he used the triforce and was still beaten despite using one of the most powerful plot devices in the game. He took one sage out after they stood there and watched his next actions, stunned.
No, he was not at full power when he was stabbed, so saying that he couldbe peirced is foolish. He was not beaten, again, he was BFR'd because the Sages could not harm him.
Not my problem he was easily defeated with the triforce of power. That's his problem but only losing one sage doesn't strike fear with the power triforce by any means.
He was not easily defeated. The Mirror of Twilight was a desperation move and just made Ganondorf stronger in the long run. Again, Ganondorf had the Triforce for a few seconds. He did not know how to use it at that point in time.
He destroyed one sage. He used the triforce because he was already defeated so they used the mirror. You can't fault them for using something when they already defeated him on their own and only did so in response to him using the triforce. That won't happen to the archdemon anyways.
They only caught him because he didn't have the Triforce. They were only able to stab him because he didn't have the Triforce. The Mirror of Twilight only worked because Ganondorf wasn't familiar with the Triforce having recieved it seconds earlier. How many time must I repeat this before you will accept it? The Archdemon does not have the Mirror Of Twilight, so he stands about as much chance as the Sage of Water.
A giant dragon hasn't displayed the strength to harm someone who was impaled and quite easily both fights we see of him per video. Surely you jest. If a sage can use the force needed and so can Link who can't even wield the ball and chain with one hand then I don't even think he loses a tooth when he eats him.
1. Archdemon has no strength feats with his claws or bite unless you post them.
2. Once again I repeat that Ganondorf was stabbed the Triforce came into effect. After it did, the sword could not harm him.
3. Link weilds the Ball and Chain easily and throws Gorons. He also weilds the Master sword, which negates Ganondorf's defenses to the point that strength doesn't matter much.
Dorf isn't durable by any means. He's not effective as a fighter either as he tends to get impaled most of the time.
Most of the time? No, there are three different boss fights that say you are wrong. Puppet Zelda- Not impaled. Beast Ganon- Not impaled. Horseback Ganondorf- Not impaled. That's three out of five majority. Archdemon, on the other hand, is 2 for 2 as far as impalings and wounds go, as his durability is nonexistant. And how do you suggest the Archdemon impale Ganondorf without a sword?
We don't need plot devices here and Riordan was defeated and easily. Dorf however was defeated both times. You bring up the archdemon actually killing someone as proof of what how much damage he can take without breaking a sweat...nice.
Riordan fell to death because his sword fell while the Archdemon screamed and cried. Riordan crippled the Archdemon pretty much forever with a normal sword, and he wasn't even killed by it.
Dorf can't survive without a body. He died with a sword in him. You are taking things out of context again.
You are always taking things out of context. Answer me this question: Do you agree that the Master Sword negates Ganondorf's resistance as it is said to do with its Smite Evil ability? Answer honestly, and please try not to dodge it. It is a simple yes or no question, so all you need to say is yes or no.
You can see that Beast Ganon's body is being destroyed at the beginning of the video. At 1:00, Ganondorf is there without a body. As this proves, Ganondorf can survive without a body.
It's also speculation Riordan would have killed it. Dorf doesn't laugh off swords either he sits there and begs for more power. If he doesn't get it he dies if he does he gets another crack but either way he sits there helpless in the meantime.
Riordan was in the process of killing when he fell do to his own mistakes. Had he not fallen, he'd have just kept stabbing until the Archdemon died. And just watch:
YouTube video
2:30, Ganondorf laughs with a sword in his chest.
3:05, Ganondorf laughs while pulling the sword out of his chest.
And after he got the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf was not even slightly helpless.
He was impaled before his powers saved him and after. His powers never made his skin more durable. I have no idea where you dream this stuff up. You at this point are making things up again and pretending he laughs off swords when it easily sticks in him.
He was indeed impaled before recieving his powers. His powers kept him from dying despite the fact that he had a SWORD IN HIS HEART. After he got them, he removed that sword without any additional injury, thus proving that his skin was now durable to not be cut by it. And watch the video aain. He laughs at least twice. As for the Master Sword, just answer the question I asked earlier.
He defeated her and she lived whereas he died. We don't know what destroyed the castle I think it had to do with their battle not one or the other.
He did not die when he defeated Midna. In fact, the castle explosion did not harm him at all, so the Archdemon could never harm him. Ganondorf defeated Midna when the castle exploded and it was clear that since he won, he caused it.
Dorf used the triforce to get back in the fight so why is he allowed to use a powerful artifact while they can't. I will tell you why because you use many double standards and this is one of them.
False. The Triforce of Power is Ganondorf's standard equipment, and he is only without it in special circumstances. The Mirror of Twilight is a fixed artifact that can only be used in one place and needs a giant stone obelisk to function. Regardless of that, Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror of twilight, thus proving it wasn't a threat to him anymore. It wouldn't have worked a second time.
Without artifacts dorf was beat and when they both used them he got beat. He loses no matter what he does.
Ganondorf broke the Mirror of Twilight. He got stronger, came back, and destroyed what beat him before as it could not beat him again since he could now cross dimensions easily. The Archdemon can't even use the Mirror, so he has no way to win.
Dorf hasn't shown the power nor the inclination to possess someone he is fighting while conscious so you don't have anything just another desperate claim.
Nah, it was just one of the many suggestion I came up with. You ignored all of them except for the possession. Does the Archdemon has resistance to possession or not? You did not have any answer to Ganondorf trapping the Archdemon in a barrier, going Beast form and crushing it, hitting it with a castle size explosion, or even just stabbing it like Riordan or the other guy did.
Originally posted by The ScenarioThe boots are needed to shove and stop them. It's a gameplay mechanic and the same response is shown but cannot be achieved without the boots.
No, you're still not understanding what is happening. Boots = stop Goron. They are not needed to lift one. That video outright shows you that Link could have stopped the Goron if he had more room to stop.Did you even play Twilight Princess? Yes, every single creature on that list I gave you is in fact from Twilight Princess, and yes, every single one is either just as big as or much bigger than the Archdemon.
Ganondorf is not vulnerable to normal swords, as was demonstrated when he laughed at the Sages sword and pulled it out without injury. They only injured him because he did not have his Triforce.
No, he was not at full power when he was stabbed, so saying that he couldbe peirced is foolish. He was not beaten, again, he was BFR'd because the Sages could not harm him.
He was not easily defeated. The Mirror of Twilight was a desperation move and just made Ganondorf stronger in the long run. Again, Ganondorf had the Triforce for a few seconds. He did not know how to use it at that point in time.
They only caught him because he didn't have the Triforce. They were only able to stab him because he didn't have the Triforce. The Mirror of Twilight only worked because Ganondorf wasn't familiar with the Triforce having recieved it seconds earlier. How many time must I repeat this before you will accept it? The Archdemon does not have the Mirror Of Twilight, so he stands about as much chance as the Sage of Water.
1. Archdemon has no strength feats with his claws or bite unless you post them.
2. Once again I repeat that Ganondorf was stabbed the Triforce came into effect. After it did, the sword could not harm him.
3. Link weilds the Ball and Chain easily and throws Gorons. He also weilds the Master sword, which negates Ganondorf's defenses to the point that strength doesn't matter much.
Most of the time? No, there are three different boss fights that say you are wrong. Puppet Zelda- Not impaled. Beast Ganon- Not impaled. Horseback Ganondorf- Not impaled. That's three out of five majority. Archdemon, on the other hand, is 2 for 2 as far as impalings and wounds go, as his durability is nonexistant. And how do you suggest the Archdemon impale Ganondorf without a sword?
Riordan fell to death because his sword fell while the Archdemon screamed and cried. Riordan crippled the Archdemon pretty much forever with a normal sword, and he wasn't even killed by it.
You are always taking things out of context. Answer me this question: Do you agree that the Master Sword negates Ganondorf's resistance as it is said to do with its Smite Evil ability? Answer honestly, and please try not to dodge it. It is a simple yes or no question, so all you need to say is yes or no.
You can see that Beast Ganon's body is being destroyed at the beginning of the video. At 1:00, Ganondorf is there without a body. As this proves, Ganondorf can survive without a body.
Riordan was in the process of killing when he fell do to his own mistakes. Had he not fallen, he'd have just kept stabbing until the Archdemon died. And just watch:
YouTube video
2:30, Ganondorf laughs with a sword in his chest.
3:05, Ganondorf laughs while pulling the sword out of his chest.
And after he got the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf was not even slightly helpless.He was indeed impaled before recieving his powers. His powers kept him from dying despite the fact that he had a SWORD IN HIS HEART. After he got them, he removed that sword without any additional injury, thus proving that his skin was now durable to not be cut by it. And watch the video aain. He laughs at least twice. As for the Master Sword, just answer the question I asked earlier.
He did not die when he defeated Midna. In fact, the castle explosion did not harm him at all, so the Archdemon could never harm him. Ganondorf defeated Midna when the castle exploded and it was clear that since he won, he caused it.
False. The Triforce of Power is Ganondorf's standard equipment, and he is only without it in special circumstances. The Mirror of Twilight is a fixed artifact that can only be used in one place and needs a giant stone obelisk to function. Regardless of that, Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror of twilight, thus proving it wasn't a threat to him anymore. It wouldn't have worked a second time.
Ganondorf broke the Mirror of Twilight. He got stronger, came back, and destroyed what beat him before as it could not beat him again since he could now cross dimensions easily. The Archdemon can't even use the Mirror, so he has no way to win.
Nah, it was just one of the many suggestion I came up with. You ignored all of them except for the possession. Does the Archdemon has resistance to possession or not? You did not have any answer to Ganondorf trapping the Archdemon in a barrier, going Beast form and crushing it, hitting it with a castle size explosion, or even just stabbing it like Riordan or the other guy did.
I don't recall many of the bosses names off hand. I remember F something was the corrupted Goron I believe and I don't see him as being anywhere near as big as the archdemon. I see the goron is being about as big as an ogre or slightly bigger.
Describe the other bosses a little bit more there names were so forgettable and it's been a long time since I played this.
Ganondorf is vulnerable to regular swords as proven by the video. The question is whether he can resist the injuries while accessing the triforce long enough to recover and that's quite a stretch considering the Archdemon won't stare at him like both Link and the sages did.
Being bfr'd is beaten. Dorf didn't want to leave but was removed meaning he lost. The triforce never made him more durable it just gave him the power to attempt to resist the effects or damage of the attack he had just previously sustained.
He didn't acquire the triforce but wasn't aware it favored him until he received the damage. I realize he doesn't have access to the mirror but doesn't need it here as dorf and both the archdemon can die while taking away both plot devices. So you can't say the archdemon can't kill him here just like I can't say the archdemon can' t die unless he drinks the blood and then dies himself.
The triforce has never made him in this game unable to be damaged. He resisted the effects due to the triforce and tried the same thing to no avail against Link. You have no proof and no assertion can be made at all save mine with anything backing it up save speculation.
1.I believe the video was already posted. I so no reason to post the same video of him easily destroying the warriors who opposed him on the roof immediately before you take him on and after Riordan's failed attacks on him.
2.The triforce gave him the power to resist the injuries while his opposition stood there and watched. We also are eliminating plot devices here.
3.Link does not wield it easily. It restricts his mobility and he uses both arms to hold it upright unlike the foes he took it from suggesting he's much weaker than him.
The master sword can be blocked, parried, etc. against knights you face meaning like I have always said skill matters with the sword. This sword really doesn't have any edge against an opponent save the skill used and Dorf is no exception.
Why would Link attempt to impale Zelda ? I mean honestly come on and think about it.
Not every form has to be impaled but we have seen his humanoid form impaled twice mind you.
The archdemon doesn't impale dorf he spits fire all over his body and crunches him. I am just saying unlike the archdemon Link pretty much just beat him in a fair one on one fight with no prior damage or nagging injuries leading into their fight.
A normal sword can hurt dorf as well as previously evidenced. The archdemon was grounded temporarily and time was of the essence. It still had short ranged flight and Riordan's whole purpose was to end the darkspawn and in that regard he completely failed. The archdemon took it and was still laying waste to enemies whereas Dorf rarely took out anyone he even failed to properly kill Midna.
I feel it helps but Link's skill is what won him the fight and plot device it's no different than a grey warden being needed to kill the archdemon. Here we eliminate both of these plot devices and make them both killable.
He reforms his molecules which is no different than when he did so to possess Zelda in the first place.
Speculation he'd have killed the archdemon. Archdemon easily killed him. He was lucky to ride him as long as he did.
He resisted the effects while they stand there stupidified. They then respond by bfring him easily while only losing one man. Not impressed at all.
It didn't prove he's more durable only he can resist the injuries of that attack. He won't have the benefit of that here nor a stupidified archdemon watching on like a moron.
Neither did Midna die either. We don't see what happened and how the castle was destroyed but we do see the master sword kill him afterwards. Dorf wasn't fatally wounded by her there and we don't know to conclusively say what exactly happened.
It doesn't matter if it's standard equipment or not. It's a plot device he needed and with it he lost and without it he lost.
Dorf needed Zant he did nothing on his own and needed him. Dorf came back when the opportunity and Zant himself made this possible otherwise he'd have been back a lot sooner.
Dorf can die here just like the archdemon can without a warden doing the deed. You seem hell bent on arguing unfairly while keeping your plot device in and ignoring the archdemon's.
Dorf doesn't possess conscious foes so I don't have to prove anything as it's not even a viable tactic just another scramble to secure the win against someone who outclasses him in every regard.