Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots are needed to shove and stop them. It's a gameplay mechanic and the same response is shown but cannot be achieved without the boots.
Yes, the boots are needed to stop them. You understand this? The boots are not needed to pick up and throw them, which is the feat I am using. Link can lift things on his own, just not stop them while they push him.
I don't recall many of the bosses names off hand. I remember F something was the corrupted Goron I believe and I don't see him as being anywhere near as big as the archdemon. I see the goron is being about as big as an ogre or slightly bigger.Describe the other bosses a little bit more there names were so forgettable and it's been a long time since I played this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VXhGeOQns
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Ganondorf is vulnerable to regular swords as proven by the video. The question is whether he can resist the injuries while accessing the triforce long enough to recover and that's quite a stretch considering the Archdemon won't stare at him like both Link and the sages did.
No, Ganondorf is proven invulnerablr to sword by the video. He used to be vulnerable before he got the Triforce, but after he did the sword stopped affecting him. He even pulled it out and it didn't cut him. So he is invulnerable. Link fought Ganondorf four times, and did not stare until Ganondorf was finally defeated. Stop ignoring this.
Being bfr'd is beaten. Dorf didn't want to leave but was removed meaning he lost. The triforce never made him more durable it just gave him the power to attempt to resist the effects or damage of the attack he had just previously sustained.
Except for the fact that Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror. How many times am I going to have to tell you this? The execution was a flashback. Young Ganondorf lost, and Older Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror. The Archdemon is not fighting Young Ganondorf, he is fighting the older one that can revive himself like four times.
He didn't acquire the triforce but wasn't aware it favored him until he received the damage. I realize he doesn't have access to the mirror but doesn't need it here as dorf and both the archdemon can die while taking away both plot devices. So you can't say the archdemon can't kill him here just like I can't say the archdemon can' t die unless he drinks the blood and then dies himself.
Explain the blood thing. The wiki has nothing on it.
The triforce has never made him in this game unable to be damaged. He resisted the effects due to the triforce and tried the same thing to no avail against Link. You have no proof and no assertion can be made at all save mine with anything backing it up save speculation.
He gained it after being stabbed. The only reason it peirced him is because he didn't have the power yet. After, the sword did no damage to him. And yet again, the Master Sword is designed to hurt evil things and get past Ganondorf's Triforce powers.
1.I believe the video was already posted. I so no reason to post the same video of him easily destroying the warriors who opposed him on the roof immediately before you take him on and after Riordan's failed attacks on him.
I saw it hitting some guys with its tail and biting one guy. Also, some fire. None of that indicates that the Archdemon can impale Ganondorf at all, and none of it prevents Ganondorf from reforming his body or just fighting without one. And I saw the Archdemon pierced by normal arrows, and cut to ribbons by a normal sword. It's durability is zero, and all Ganondorf would need to do is hit its neck.
2.The triforce gave him the power to resist the injuries while his opposition stood there and watched. We also are eliminating plot devices here.
The Triforce is a part of Ganondorf's character. If you have to take away all of Ganondorf's powers, durability, and strength to make it so the Archdemon has a change, it isn't a real victory.
3.Link does not wield it easily. It restricts his mobility and he uses both arms to hold it upright unlike the foes he took it from suggesting he's much weaker than him.
You have failed to counter the fact the Link moves faster, throws farther, throws harder, recovers the ball faster, and doesn't need to rest after every swing like the boss does. The boss weilds it slower, throws it less far, throws it less hard, takes forever to recover the ball, and needs to rest for 10 seconds before picking the ball back up. Link is far superior, two handed or not.
The master sword can be blocked, parried, etc. against knights you face meaning like I have always said skill matters with the sword. This sword really doesn't have any edge against an opponent save the skill used and Dorf is no exception.
Swords and armor aren't evil, nor are they Triforce empowered. Even so, the Master Sword cleaves through Darknut armor. What the Master Sword is designed to do is destroy evil and have a greater effect on it, as well as counter the Triforce. Since swords and sheilds aren't evil, they can treat the Master Sword like a normal sword. But Ganondorf can't, since it cancels out his power and durability.
Why would Link attempt to impale Zelda ? I mean honestly come on and think about it.
Probably because it wouldn't harm zelda's non evil body or something. Regardless, that's a point for no impalement.
Not every form has to be impaled but we have seen his humanoid form impaled twice mind you.
Once before he got his powers, and once by a sword that cancels his powers. The Archdemon can't hope to achieve either one of those, and Ganondorf is immune to or can reform from anything else the Archdemon has.
The archdemon doesn't impale dorf he spits fire all over his body and crunches him. I am just saying unlike the archdemon Link pretty much just beat him in a fair one on one fight with no prior damage or nagging injuries leading into their fight.
And Ganondorf changes form to avoid it and hits the Archdemon with a castle buster or slices it open. Riordan mangled the Archdemon without it being injured prior, too.
A normal sword can hurt dorf as well as previously evidenced. The archdemon was grounded temporarily and time was of the essence. It still had short ranged flight and Riordan's whole purpose was to end the darkspawn and in that regard he completely failed. The archdemon took it and was still laying waste to enemies whereas Dorf rarely took out anyone he even failed to properly kill Midna.
As evidence shows, Ganondorf with the Triforce isn't harmed by swords. Since he, you know, ripped one of out his chest. The Archdemon got messed up by Riordan and fell out of the sky. Actually, I'm pretty sure Ganondorf did kill Midna. Evidence will come in a moment.
I feel it helps but Link's skill is what won him the fight and plot device it's no different than a grey warden being needed to kill the archdemon. Here we eliminate both of these plot devices and make them both killable.
Explain the Grey Warden thing, please. Just remember that Ganondorf is not harmed by swords, yet the Master Sword did. It also canceled out his staying power, at which point his wounds became fatal.
He reforms his molecules which is no different than when he did so to possess Zelda in the first place.
His body was burned to ash and he reformed. Why can't he do this against the Archdemon, then? Assuming it manages to harm him at all, what prevent him from just reforming?
Speculation he'd have killed the archdemon. Archdemon easily killed him. He was lucky to ride him as long as he did.
He stabbed the Archdemon and it bled. Had that continued, it would have died. Unfortunately it did continue for as long as was needed. Archdemon did not kill him at all, since he slipped on his own. Archdemon was screaming in pain the entire time, and he knocked it out of the sky.
He resisted the effects while they stand there stupidified. They then respond by bfring him easily while only losing one man. Not impressed at all.
He resisted the effects of a sword in his heart. On anyone that would be fatal. The Arxhdemon did not survive a blow to the neck, which is normally fatal. Ganondorf broke the Mirror when he came back. He's improved since then.
It didn't prove he's more durable only he can resist the injuries of that attack. He won't have the benefit of that here nor a stupidified archdemon watching on like a moron.
He proved durability when the sword failed to cut him when being removed. And yes he will, as the Archdemon was pretty stupified when some guy opened its neck with a sword. It just stood there and let him do it.
Neither did Midna die either. We don't see what happened and how the castle was destroyed but we do see the master sword kill him afterwards. Dorf wasn't fatally wounded by her there and we don't know to conclusively say what exactly happened.
Even half a castle bust is enough to destroy the Archdemon completely. The Master Sword cancels his powers. Of course Ganondorf wasn't fatally wounded, he wasn;t wounded at all. Oh, and Midna was killed and then revived by the Light spirits.
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we see nothing when the Light Spirits show up. Then Midna's form just appears out of nowhere, still an imp. The suddenly she's back to her true form.
It doesn't matter if it's standard equipment or not. It's a plot device he needed and with it he lost and without it he lost.
And with it, since it's part of him, the Archdemon can't beat him.
Dorf needed Zant he did nothing on his own and needed him. Dorf came back when the opportunity and Zant himself made this possible otherwise he'd have been back a lot sooner.
I said nothing about Zant. This was about Ganondorf destroying the Mirror, so don't change the subject. Ganondorf got stronger after the BFR, and the Sages couldn't stop him from breaking the Mirror. The fact is that he's improved since that flashback.
Dorf can die here just like the archdemon can without a warden doing the deed. You seem hell bent on arguing unfairly while keeping your plot device in and ignoring the archdemon's.
What is the Archdemon's? You haven't said anything about it so I assumed he didn't have one. Was Riordan a Warden? What about the other guy? I honestly didn't know about anything like that.
Dorf doesn't possess conscious foes so I don't have to prove anything as it's not even a viable tactic just another scramble to secure the win against someone who outclasses him in every regard.
If the Archdemon doesn't have any way to resist, he can't stop it. Why don't you prove that the Archdemon has enough willpower, for starters?
Can't trap him in a barrier, that's speculation against a fight with Midna we did not ever see, Dorf won't have the benefit of jumping on him with a war going on in the meantime. He will be all over Dorf and crunch him very quickly.
Explain to me why trapping the Archdemon in a barrier won't work. The castle exploded and Ganondorf killed Midna. What war is going on? You never said anything about a war; are you changing the rules? Also, can you prove the Archdemon has resistance to a disintegration touch?
Crap, I'm already double posting.
Originally posted by The ScenarioThe feat isn't possible unless he stops them so there are no instances of him tossing a goron without the boots. He can't even shove one without the boots.
Yes, the boots are needed to stop them. You understand this? The boots are not needed to pick up and throw them, which is the feat I am using. Link can lift things on his own, just not stop them while they push him.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kGgsGIaRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnMfFaCO5ig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMOi0J6I6B8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VXhGeOQns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LVHBdhNibI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJACleGuOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhy12b4SxVwNo, Ganondorf is proven invulnerablr to sword by the video. He used to be vulnerable before he got the Triforce, but after he did the sword stopped affecting him. He even pulled it out and it didn't cut him. So he is invulnerable. Link fought Ganondorf four times, and did not stare until Ganondorf was finally defeated. Stop ignoring this.
Except for the fact that Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror. How many times am I going to have to tell you this? The execution was a flashback. Young Ganondorf lost, and Older Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror. The Archdemon is not fighting Young Ganondorf, he is fighting the older one that can revive himself like four times.
Explain the blood thing. The wiki has nothing on it.
He gained it after being stabbed. The only reason it peirced him is because he didn't have the power yet. After, the sword did no damage to him. And yet again, the Master Sword is designed to hurt evil things and get past Ganondorf's Triforce powers.
I saw it hitting some guys with its tail and biting one guy. Also, some fire. None of that indicates that the Archdemon can impale Ganondorf at all, and none of it prevents Ganondorf from reforming his body or just fighting without one. And I saw the Archdemon pierced by normal arrows, and cut to ribbons by a normal sword. It's durability is zero, and all Ganondorf would need to do is hit its neck.
The Triforce is a part of Ganondorf's character. If you have to take away all of Ganondorf's powers, durability, and strength to make it so the Archdemon has a change, it isn't a real victory.
You have failed to counter the fact the Link moves faster, throws farther, throws harder, recovers the ball faster, and doesn't need to rest after every swing like the boss does. The boss weilds it slower, throws it less far, throws it less hard, takes forever to recover the ball, and needs to rest for 10 seconds before picking the ball back up. Link is far superior, two handed or not.
Swords and armor aren't evil, nor are they Triforce empowered. Even so, the Master Sword cleaves through Darknut armor. What the Master Sword is designed to do is destroy evil and have a greater effect on it, as well as counter the Triforce. Since swords and sheilds aren't evil, they can treat the Master Sword like a normal sword. But Ganondorf can't, since it cancels out his power and durability.
Probably because it wouldn't harm zelda's non evil body or something. Regardless, that's a point for no impalement.
Once before he got his powers, and once by a sword that cancels his powers. The Archdemon can't hope to achieve either one of those, and Ganondorf is immune to or can reform from anything else the Archdemon has.
None of these bosses seem bigger than the Archdemon at all.
He had the power to resist the sword's injuries and pull it out but he wasn't invulnerable to any swords nor was there ever any proof of this. Ever. I am not ignoring anything I told you this before and don't see the point in restating myself. Swords can slice him the only thing is whether he can weather the injuries off or not due to the triforce.
How many years did Zant come back and do so. It was zant who broke the mirror and was explained in the game due to the fact it wasn't completely shattered because he was never the true king.
Zant had to fix his mistakes and he needed him. The sages still beat an older dorf through Link and midna. So whether he's old or young the guy still gets beat left and right.
The whole reason the wardens are needed is because of the taint within them when they drink darkspawn blood. If someone else kills the archdemon outside a grey warden the soul of this old god goes into another soulless vessel darkspawn making it immortal. The grey wardens drink tbe blood therefore the taint is in them so if they kill him then the archdemon goes into that grey warden killing them both.
So plot device wise you can't kill an archdemon unless you're a grey warden because it will just go into the nearest darkspawn vessel.
But to argue any of this we need to eliminate plot devices.
The sword was still inside him the effects were warded off but he never became more durable and ever shrugged off a sword, ever. You keep thinking he's more durable but there is no proof to this theory.
Dorf was impaled by a normal sword as well except he was stunned whereas the archdemon wrecked it's foes. Riordan was a grey warden I highly doubt it was just some ordinary bum sword like you keep portraying it as.
Archdemon shoots him with the fire and eats him.
He has more impressive feats than dorf who struggled and was easily captured and then beaten by a few opponents.
He gets the triforce but he doesn't get the plot device way to defeat him just like the Archdemon doesn't.
Link doesn't use it faster and his mobility is absolute crap. It shows he isn't some mega strong character just the hero of destiny taught the necessary skill with the necessary equipment. That's it.
Dorf was never really durable. We see him impaled twice both by a normal sword and by the master sword. Now the character he is fighting is evil so don't distance yourself now from these claims because the game shows us SKILL is crucial.
Dorf lost due to his skill and he couldn't resist the effects f the injuries. That's it.
Then why bring up zelda when it's obvious he wouldn't try to kill her body.
We never saw him resist any sword and bounce off of him he can use it to ward off his injuries and that's it.
Originally posted by The ScenarioRiordan died and despite the damage done the archdemon still mowed down enemies. Dorf got beat by seven guys, was captured, used the triforce and then was beaten again with only killing one.
And Ganondorf changes form to avoid it and hits the Archdemon with a castle buster or slices it open. Riordan mangled the Archdemon without it being injured prior, too.As evidence shows, Ganondorf with the Triforce isn't harmed by swords. Since he, you know, ripped one of out his chest. The Archdemon got messed up by Riordan and fell out of the sky. Actually, I'm pretty sure Ganondorf did kill Midna. Evidence will come in a moment.
Explain the Grey Warden thing, please. Just remember that Ganondorf is not harmed by swords, yet the Master Sword did. It also canceled out his staying power, at which point his wounds became fatal.
His body was burned to ash and he reformed. Why can't he do this against the Archdemon, then? Assuming it manages to harm him at all, what prevent him from just reforming?
He stabbed the Archdemon and it bled. Had that continued, it would have died. Unfortunately it did continue for as long as was needed. Archdemon did not kill him at all, since he slipped on his own. Archdemon was screaming in pain the entire time, and he knocked it out of the sky.
He resisted the effects of a sword in his heart. On anyone that would be fatal. The Arxhdemon did not survive a blow to the neck, which is normally fatal. Ganondorf broke the Mirror when he came back. He's improved since then.
He proved durability when the sword failed to cut him when being removed. And yes he will, as the Archdemon was pretty stupified when some guy opened its neck with a sword. It just stood there and let him do it.
Even half a castle bust is enough to destroy the Archdemon completely. The Master Sword cancels his powers. Of course Ganondorf wasn't fatally wounded, he wasn;t wounded at all. Oh, and Midna was killed and then revived by the Light spirits.
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we see nothing when the Light Spirits show up. Then Midna's form just appears out of nowhere, still an imp. The suddenly she's back to her true form.And with it, since it's part of him, the Archdemon can't beat him.
I said nothing about Zant. This was about Ganondorf destroying the Mirror, so don't change the subject. Ganondorf got stronger after the BFR, and the Sages couldn't stop him from breaking the Mirror. The fact is that he's improved since that flashback.
What is the Archdemon's? You haven't said anything about it so I assumed he didn't have one. Was Riordan a Warden? What about the other guy? I honestly didn't know about anything like that.
If the Archdemon doesn't have any way to resist, he can't stop it. Why don't you prove that the Archdemon has enough willpower, for starters?
Explain to me why trapping the Archdemon in a barrier won't work. The castle exploded and Ganondorf killed Midna. What war is going on? You never said anything about a war; are you changing the rules? Also, can you prove the Archdemon has resistance to a disintegration touch?
Crap, I'm already double posting.
He is harmed by swords it all boils down to can he resist the injuries accrued or not. That's it.
Dorf never ever killed Midna. He failed. Archdemon did kill riordan and isn't easily dismissed by seven mages like dorf had been.
I explained it last post with why grey wardens are needed to kill off the archdemon.
Because he can die and will die here. he can't just reform as easily as you believe nor did he against Link. he can resist some injuries due to the triforce but isn't unkillable we have to eliminate plot devices here otherwise it's a pointless debate from both sides.
Just like I can say if the sages had continue to assault dorf before allowing him time to break free. They sat there with him beaten and chained and waited in shock for him to break free and attack before bfring him.
The triforce gave him the power to resist but come on the archdemon can't even die mr. plot device it will just go to the nearest darskspawn and be reborn.
The swrod's effects were ebing negated he wasn't uncuttable. Then he quickly reacted and killed one but was quickly bfr'd into the twilight realm.
Dorf can't destroy a castle on his own nor did he ever show the power to do so on panel in a fight against Link or the sages. His battle with Midna we didn't see so against her the combined effects destroyed the castle but who knows where he went until the castle went down. It's all an unknown.
Midna's form was changed she wasn't brought back to life.
On here you can't argue with plot devices intact. If we do that then dorf can't ever beat him because the essence will go to nearest darkspawn. I also think anyone more powerful than dorf can kill him whether it's the master sword or not. You wouldn't argue the Living Tribunal couldn't harm Dorf.
Zant destroyed the mirror. Bottom line he needed someone else to enact his revenge. He came back and was still beaten by Link whom the sages sent after him.
We have never seen Dorf ever possess someone ever in a fight who has been conscious. He can't do it so it's not even worth arguing it just shows your desperation for asking me to do so.
We didn't see why or how it exploded nor did we ever see dorf ever use this type of force against Link or the sages. Sorry it's an unknown.
Dorf can't disintegrate the archdemon he only did so one time against one sage. You are reaching yet again he gets wrecked here by a more powerful opponent in a much scarier place than hyrule could ever be.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtMidna isn't in this thread look up at the thread title and try to stay on point and subject. Now if you want create the thread for yet another lesson.
Midna however unlike Riordon could use her Tk to rip the Archdemons wings completly off....Technically the Archdemon is dead, only difference is a new one replaces it in a darkspawn. Theres no Darkspawn here though so it wont matter.
The soul only dies if a grey warden kills it. You don't grasp anything in games.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The feat isn't possible unless he stops them so there are no instances of him tossing a goron without the boots. He can't even shove one without the boots.
Point being? Unless you think the boots make Link stronger, they are not necessary for lifting. Answer me this: Do you think the boots make Link stronger?
None of these bosses seem bigger than the Archdemon at all.
I had to double check, and Diababa, Morpheel, Stallord, and Armoghoma are all larger. Beast Ganon is the same size.
He had the power to resist the sword's injuries and pull it out but he wasn't invulnerable to any swords nor was there ever any proof of this. Ever. I am not ignoring anything I told you this before and don't see the point in restating myself. Swords can slice him the only thing is whether he can weather the injuries off or not due to the triforce.
The evidence is Ganondorf pulling the sword out his chest without cutting himself. Do you not think that counts? Do you think pulling a sword out won't cut someone? And if Ganondorf can weather fatal injuries, how can the Archdemon kill him?
How many years did Zant come back and do so. It was zant who broke the mirror and was explained in the game due to the fact it wasn't completely shattered because he was never the true king.
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1:00. "You seek it...but the Mirror of Twilight has be fragmented by mighty magic. That magic is a dark power that only he posesses...His name is... Ganondorf.
And in case you forgot, he's laughing at the sword at 3:04.
Zant had to fix his mistakes and he needed him. The sages still beat an older dorf through Link and midna. So whether he's old or young the guy still gets beat left and right.
Seriously, Zant has nothing to do with this. Ganondorf is more powerful now that he was in that scene, so you can stop using it to claim Ganondorf's weakness.
The whole reason the wardens are needed is because of the taint within them when they drink darkspawn blood. If someone else kills the archdemon outside a grey warden the soul of this old god goes into another soulless vessel darkspawn making it immortal. The grey wardens drink tbe blood therefore the taint is in them so if they kill him then the archdemon goes into that grey warden killing them both.
Yeah, I looked into it and pretty much anyone can kill an Archdemon, but a Grey Warden keeps it from possessing darkspawn to escape. Since there aren't any darkspawn in this fight, it seems the Archdemon will die for good when Ganondorf crushes it.
So plot device wise you can't kill an archdemon unless you're a grey warden because it will just go into the nearest darkspawn vessel.
There are no darkspawn in this fight. Therefore, the Archdemon dies regardless.
But to argue any of this we need to eliminate plot devices.
Archdemon will lose no matter what, since his ability won't work if there are no darkspawn.
The sword was still inside him the effects were warded off but he never became more durable and ever shrugged off a sword, ever. You keep thinking he's more durable but there is no proof to this theory.
He shrugged the sword off after he got his Triforce. I posted the video; go watch it. He's literally laughing at the sword as he pulls it out. Now anser the question: Does pulling the sword out harm Ganondorf or not?
Dorf was impaled by a normal sword as well except he was stunned whereas the archdemon wrecked it's foes. Riordan was a grey warden I highly doubt it was just some ordinary bum sword like you keep portraying it as.
BT is right in this instance. The Sage's sword is not a normal sword. It appears to be made of light, and deals a larger wound than its size would suggest. Yet after Ganondorf got his Triforce, it stopped affecting him. The Archdemon is stunned by arrows, and normal sword can cut it like paper.
Archdemon shoots him with the fire and eats him.
Ganondorf turns to twilight particles and does any number of things to kill it.
He has more impressive feats than dorf who struggled and was easily captured and then beaten by a few opponents.
You keep saying this, but I'm not seeing it. Can you please point out what these feats are that make the Archdemon superior? Ganondorf can kill with a touch (superior power), tank an exploding castle (superior durability), and blow up a castle (superior magic).
He gets the triforce but he doesn't get the plot device way to defeat him just like the Archdemon doesn't.
The Archdemon's ability won't help him anyway, what with the lack of darkspawn.
Link doesn't use it faster and his mobility is absolute crap. It shows he isn't some mega strong character just the hero of destiny taught the necessary skill with the necessary equipment. That's it.
Link does use it faster. Link does throw it farther. Link does deal more damage with it. Link does move faster than the boss with it. This basically means he's stronger than the boss, and no normal human could even weild the Ball and Chain.
Dorf was never really durable. We see him impaled twice both by a normal sword and by the master sword. Now the character he is fighting is evil so don't distance yourself now from these claims because the game shows us SKILL is crucial.
We see a magic sword peirce him while doesn't have powers. We then see him gain powers and ignore the sword, and remove it without being cut. We then see another magic sword cancel his powers. The Archmage has no way of canceling his powers, and he has no way of getting past Ganondorf's durability.
Dorf lost due to his skill and he couldn't resist the effects f the injuries. That's it.
And he couldn't resist because the Master Sword is designed to make him not resist. Any other sword would not have done so.
Then why bring up zelda when it's obvious he wouldn't try to kill her body.
Because you were wrong whe you said Ganondorf is always impaled. I simply pointed out how.
We never saw him resist any sword and bounce off of him he can use it to ward off his injuries and that's it.
We saw him resist the Sage's sword. Stop ignoring it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Riordan died and despite the damage done the archdemon still mowed down enemies. Dorf got beat by seven guys, was captured, used the triforce and then was beaten again with only killing one.
Archdemon got beat by one guy with a normal sword. Ganondorf, after improving from his previous defeat, was beaten by a guy with a magic sword designed to be his weakness, and some arrows designed to be his weakness. And he killed Midna.
He is harmed by swords it all boils down to can he resist the injuries accrued or not. That's it.
After the Triforce, he is not harmed by swords.
Dorf never ever killed Midna. He failed. Archdemon did kill riordan and isn't easily dismissed by seven mages like dorf had been.
Ganondorf killed Midna and the Light Spirits revived her. The damage he did destroyed a castle, far superior to anything the Archdemon has done. Ganondorf also broke the Mirror of Twilight, proving he was no longer vulnerable to it.
I explained it last post with why grey wardens are needed to kill off the archdemon.
Yeah, Grey Wardens are essentially treated as darkspawn and get possessed when the Archdemon dies, thus destroying both their souls. Since apparently the Archdemon can't even posees anything with a soul without dying. This translates to a major weakness to possession for it, since it will kill it instantly.
Because he can die and will die here. he can't just reform as easily as you believe nor did he against Link. he can resist some injuries due to the triforce but isn't unkillable we have to eliminate plot devices here otherwise it's a pointless debate from both sides.
Explain why. If Link with the Master Sword can't prevent Ganondorf from reforming at one point, how does the Archdemon prevent it? The Archdemon can attack Ganondorf all it wants, none of it will keep Ganondorf from reforming a body.
Just like I can say if the sages had continue to assault dorf before allowing him time to break free. They sat there with him beaten and chained and waited in shock for him to break free and attack before bfring him.
That wouldn't have worked, since not only was Ganondorf holding their only weapon, he was immune to it. Attacking him further would have done nothing.
The triforce gave him the power to resist but come on the archdemon can't even die mr. plot device it will just go to the nearest darskspawn and be reborn.
What darkspawn? Unless there are any darkspawn in this battle, the Archdemon dies permanently.
The swrod's effects were ebing negated he wasn't uncuttable. Then he quickly reacted and killed one but was quickly bfr'd into the twilight realm.
The sword's effect was cutting. Therefore, negating that effect makes Ganondorf uncuttable. Ganondorf escaped the BFR and broke the Mirror.
Dorf can't destroy a castle on his own nor did he ever show the power to do so on panel in a fight against Link or the sages. His battle with Midna we didn't see so against her the combined effects destroyed the castle but who knows where he went until the castle went down. It's all an unknown.
We outright saw the castle explode and Ganondorf win the fight. We know Midna didn't destrot the castle since she lost the fight, and she's never shown that kind of power. That leaves Ganondorf.
Midna's form was changed she wasn't brought back to life.
Then where was she after Ganondorf destroyed the castle? He even took the Fused Shadow from her, which would require getting close enough to touch her. Which you don't do to an opponent who is still breathing. We even have the Light Spirits reviving Midna onscreen, what more do you want?
On here you can't argue with plot devices intact. If we do that then dorf can't ever beat him because the essence will go to nearest darkspawn. I also think anyone more powerful than dorf can kill him whether it's the master sword or not. You wouldn't argue the Living Tribunal couldn't harm Dorf.
The Archdemon dies since there are no darkspawn. And I don't know, can the Living Tribunal prevent Ganondorf from reforming? If so, sure. If not, maybe Ganondorf won't be able to kill him, either.
Zant destroyed the mirror. Bottom line he needed someone else to enact his revenge. He came back and was still beaten by Link whom the sages sent after him.
Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror, as stated by the Sages. Link would have gone after Ganondorf regardless of what the Sages did.
We have never seen Dorf ever possess someone ever in a fight who has been conscious. He can't do it so it's not even worth arguing it just shows your desperation for asking me to do so.
Ah, but now we know that the Archdemon has a severe soul vulnerability, since having two souls in one body apparently kills it forever. Thus Ganondorf wins regardless.
We didn't see why or how it exploded nor did we ever see dorf ever use this type of force against Link or the sages. Sorry it's an unknown.
Yeah, because he used it against Midna. He didn''t have the Triforce long enough against the Sages anyway.
Dorf can't disintegrate the archdemon he only did so one time against one sage. You are reaching yet again he gets wrecked here by a more powerful opponent in a much scarier place than hyrule could ever be.
Doing so only once does not mean Ganondorf can't do it. Since, you know, he's already done it once. The fact remains that the Archdemon has no defence against disintegration, and Ganondorf can disintegrate things.
Originally posted by The ScenarioI think the boots made the feat possible and without them he cannot compete with Gorons.
Point being? Unless you think the boots make Link stronger, they are not necessary for lifting. Answer me this: Do you think the boots make Link stronger?I had to double check, and Diababa, Morpheel, Stallord, and Armoghoma are all larger. Beast Ganon is the same size.
The evidence is Ganondorf pulling the sword out his chest without cutting himself. Do you not think that counts? Do you think pulling a sword out won't cut someone? And if Ganondorf can weather fatal injuries, how can the Archdemon kill him?
YouTube video
1:00. "You seek it...but the Mirror of Twilight has be fragmented by mighty magic. That magic is a dark power that only he posesses...His name is... Ganondorf.And in case you forgot, he's laughing at the sword at 3:04.
Seriously, Zant has nothing to do with this. Ganondorf is more powerful now that he was in that scene, so you can stop using it to claim Ganondorf's weakness.
Yeah, I looked into it and pretty much anyone can kill an Archdemon, but a Grey Warden keeps it from possessing darkspawn to escape. Since there aren't any darkspawn in this fight, it seems the Archdemon will die for good when Ganondorf crushes it.
There are no darkspawn in this fight. Therefore, the Archdemon dies regardless.
Archdemon will lose no matter what, since his ability won't work if there are no darkspawn.
He shrugged the sword off after he got his Triforce. I posted the video; go watch it. He's literally laughing at the sword as he pulls it out. Now anser the question: Does pulling the sword out harm Ganondorf or not?
BT is right in this instance. The Sage's sword is not a normal sword. It appears to be made of light, and deals a larger wound than its size would suggest. Yet after Ganondorf got his Triforce, it stopped affecting him. The Archdemon is stunned by arrows, and normal sword can cut it like paper.
Ganondorf turns to twilight particles and does any number of things to kill it.
You keep saying this, but I'm not seeing it. Can you please point out what these feats are that make the Archdemon superior? Ganondorf can kill with a touch (superior power), tank an exploding castle (superior durability), and blow up a castle (superior magic).
The Archdemon's ability won't help him anyway, what with the lack of darkspawn.
Link does use it faster. Link does throw it farther. Link does deal more damage with it. Link does move faster than the boss with it. This basically means he's stronger than the boss, and no normal human could even weild the Ball and Chain.
We see a magic sword peirce him while doesn't have powers. We then see him gain powers and ignore the sword, and remove it without being cut. We then see another magic sword cancel his powers. The Archmage has no way of canceling his powers, and he has no way of getting past Ganondorf's durability.
And he couldn't resist because the Master Sword is designed to make him not resist. Any other sword would not have done so.
Because you were wrong whe you said Ganondorf is always impaled. I simply pointed out how.
We saw him resist the Sage's sword. Stop ignoring it.
I disagree. They aren't larger take another look at the Archdemon.
The injuries were negated by the triforce there is magic involved here so don't try comparing it to real life.
He only weathered one strike not all coupled with opponents who stood there unlike the Archdemon. He can't resist the power of the archdemon.
Zant did so through his power both Zant and his power were needed. Dorf needed Zant which was evident later in the game when he came to Zant.
Dorf is more powerful yet loses to less foes and one inexperienced Link and still gets fatally wounded by blades except he didn't recover this time.
It never dies unless you destroy it's spirit. That's the point. Dorf won't kill it's body anyways so don't worry and don't think for a moment he has a chance against a force this powerful.
The archdemon won't be killed and since dorf is allowed hi triforce the archdemon is allowed dakrspawn as he draws them near and it's an ability of his. Ha.
You seem to ignore his abilities which is kind of hypocritical.
He resisted the effects and dies the next time this happens. He's an idiot because he gets bfr'd right afterwards as well and is defeated both times.
The power of the triforce resists it's effects.
It is a normal sword. Nothing special in it's properties whereas Riordan and every warden wouldn't just show up with a normal sword anyways and like I said there is no proof of dorf being uncuttable by any swords.
He can turn into particles to avoid him for a time but sooner or later he reforms and is quickly beaten.
I already did so. Your feats are vague and speculative and against weak sages well one sage as that is all he managed to defeat before he was easily beaten despite the triforce of power.
Get back to me when dorf kills at least two people in one encounter. I am disappoint.
His ability is to call darkspawn in. So if he ever comes close to death he calls darkspawn into the fight. That's his ability just like dorf has the triforce. Feel the burn.
Link lacks mobility with it while he uses two arms as opposed to the enemies one so of course he can he is using two arms.
HE DID POSSESS POWERS. I mean do you think dorf was some common schlub he just wasn't armed with the triforce yet and even when he was he still lost.
Dorf isn't durable he is easily cuttable as seen twice.
Archdemon is more powerful than dorf. In dorf's world the master sword is required which doesn't include a superior world with superior power and superior armies.
A possessed zelda isn't dorf. Link would never impaled Dorf as zelda because it's zelda. It was hilarious when you brought it up when it hurt your case.
He resisted the effects it still stabbed him. Quit ignoring he gets impaled show me one instance where a sword can't cut him.
Originally posted by The ScenarioArchdemon didn't just fight one guy with a normal sword he fought and beat one warden who damaged him and then a mini force and then a party. Context.
Archdemon got beat by one guy with a normal sword. Ganondorf, after improving from his previous defeat, was beaten by a guy with a magic sword designed to be his weakness, and some arrows designed to be his weakness. And he killed Midna.After the Triforce, he is not harmed by swords.
Ganondorf killed Midna and the Light Spirits revived her. The damage he did destroyed a castle, far superior to anything the Archdemon has done. Ganondorf also broke the Mirror of Twilight, proving he was no longer vulnerable to it.
Yeah, Grey Wardens are essentially treated as darkspawn and get possessed when the Archdemon dies, thus destroying both their souls. Since apparently the Archdemon can't even posees anything with a soul without dying. This translates to a major weakness to possession for it, since it will kill it instantly.
Explain why. If Link with the Master Sword can't prevent Ganondorf from reforming at one point, how does the Archdemon prevent it? The Archdemon can attack Ganondorf all it wants, none of it will keep Ganondorf from reforming a body.
That wouldn't have worked, since not only was Ganondorf holding their only weapon, he was immune to it. Attacking him further would have done nothing.
What darkspawn? Unless there are any darkspawn in this battle, the Archdemon dies permanently.
The sword's effect was cutting. Therefore, negating that effect makes Ganondorf uncuttable. Ganondorf escaped the BFR and broke the Mirror.
We outright saw the castle explode and Ganondorf win the fight. We know Midna didn't destrot the castle since she lost the fight, and she's never shown that kind of power. That leaves Ganondorf.
Then where was she after Ganondorf destroyed the castle? He even took the Fused Shadow from her, which would require getting close enough to touch her. Which you don't do to an opponent who is still breathing. We even have the Light Spirits reviving Midna onscreen, what more do you want?
The Archdemon dies since there are no darkspawn. And I don't know, can the Living Tribunal prevent Ganondorf from reforming? If so, sure. If not, maybe Ganondorf won't be able to kill him, either.
Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror, as stated by the Sages. Link would have gone after Ganondorf regardless of what the Sages did.
Ah, but now we know that the Archdemon has a severe soul vulnerability, since having two souls in one body apparently kills it forever. Thus Ganondorf wins regardless.
Yeah, because he used it against Midna. He didn''t have the Triforce long enough against the Sages anyway.
Doing so only once does not mean Ganondorf can't do it. Since, you know, he's already done it once. The fact remains that the Archdemon has no defence against disintegration, and Ganondorf can disintegrate things.
Dorf lost to Link one on one in a sword fight and Link due to Midna's help and Zelda's beat his other forms.
Midna wasn't dead. Dorf was beaten previously by sages who didn't use the master sword.
He gets harmed and killed by Link with his sword. You have no proof whatsoever of him being unable to be cut or damaged by swords.
Speculation. Like I said either prove it or quit speculating as a fact. Midna's form was changed she was never ever killed. Speculation again on your part.
Zant did so with his power meaning he needed someone else's aid to even strike back at the artifact who crushed him prior to. He couldn't even do so on his own. Weak.
It draws all darkspawn near to it. They can't resist this urging unless they drink warden blood so sorry but you are ignoring his ability and when he's in danger he is calling in tons of darkspawn.
Because the archdemon is more powerful and isn't in hyrule so the master sword being hyrule's chance has nothing to do with ferelden.
False. He resisted the effects but continuing to attack him in this tunned state would have easily killed him. They stood there dumb but still beat an even dumber opponent.
The archdemon draws all darkspawn near.
We never ever saw dorf ever display this power and neither midna so it makes sense for a battle between the two to destroy the castle. Thanks for agreeing with me.
More powerful characters can destroy dorf he's not unbeatable nor is he even in his own game. He gets beat twice in one game. That's hilarious.
Dorf's power did not dorf it was Zant. This was stated in the game and also the reason the mirror still existed until she destroyed it at the end because she was the rightful ruler.
Dorf can't possess him nor has he shown the ability to and if that would happen it would destroy dorf's soul as well. I already explained this to you.
Dorf had the triforce and used it and still got beaten while only losing one man despite him having the triforce of power.
Dorf didn't disintegrate Link nor Midna. Sorry he only beat one sage and failed to even touch another. Archdemon would beat dorf and solo hyrule imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think the boots made the feat possible and without them he cannot compete with Gorons.
That's not answering the question. Do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no.
I disagree. They aren't larger take another look at the Archdemon.
Did you even watch the videos?
Archdemon is maybe ten times bigger than a human, and its head is about the size of a human.
Diababa is quite a bit larger, and even his head is twice as big as Link.
Morpheel is even bigger than that.
Stallord's smaller than Morpheel, but bigger than Diababa. Still bigger than the Archdemon.
And Armoghoma is slightly bigger than the Archdemon.
The injuries were negated by the triforce there is magic involved here so don't try comparing it to real life.
Again you have dodged my question. Answer it with either a yes or no, please. Did pulling the sword out of his heart hurt Ganondorf?
He only weathered one strike not all coupled with opponents who stood there unlike the Archdemon. He can't resist the power of the archdemon.
Why not? Ganondorf can reform his body from being destroyed and isn't harmed by normal swords.
Zant did so through his power both Zant and his power were needed. Dorf needed Zant which was evident later in the game when he came to Zant.
Nah, they said it was Ganondorf. They know who Ganondorf is, after all. What does Zant have to do with this again?
Dorf is more powerful yet loses to less foes and one inexperienced Link and still gets fatally wounded by blades except he didn't recover this time.
Yes, Ganondorf is more powerful. Yes, Ganondorf loses to less foes, but they are very powerful. No, Link is not inexperienced.
It never dies unless you destroy it's spirit. That's the point. Dorf won't kill it's body anyways so don't worry and don't think for a moment he has a chance against a force this powerful.
It's spirit can't do anything without a darkspawn, so the Archdemon loses anyway. Why can't Ganondorf kill its body again? As I recal, the Archdemon is vulnerable to normal arrows and is torn apart by swords. Ganondorf is stronger than anything that's ever hit the Archdemon, so killing it won't be a problem.
The archdemon won't be killed and since dorf is allowed hi triforce the archdemon is allowed dakrspawn as he draws them near and it's an ability of his. Ha.
'K, then Ganondorf summons all his Phantom Ganons, his horse, and his army and thus wins anyway. Or, you can follow the forum rules that say no summoning.
You seem to ignore his abilities which is kind of hypocritical.
Which ones? None of the Archdemon's abilities will do much to Ganondorf.
He resisted the effects and dies the next time this happens. He's an idiot because he gets bfr'd right afterwards as well and is defeated both times.
Stop ignoring context. Ganondorf is no longer affected by the Mirror and the Archdemon can't replicate the Master Sword.
The power of the triforce resists it's effects.
It is a yes or no question. Did the sword harm him after he got the Triforce?
It is a normal sword. Nothing special in it's properties whereas Riordan and every warden wouldn't just show up with a normal sword anyways and like I said there is no proof of dorf being uncuttable by any swords.
Normal swords aren't made of light. Riordan's sword gives no indication that it is magical. Ganondorf ignores the sword after getting the Triforce.
He can turn into particles to avoid him for a time but sooner or later he reforms and is quickly beaten.
How? If he can reform and the Archdemon doesn't have any real way to harm him, how can it win? Ganondorf just needs to slash the Archdemons neck and he wins.
I already did so. Your feats are vague and speculative and against weak sages well one sage as that is all he managed to defeat before he was easily beaten despite the triforce of power.
[/quuote]Do so again, then, because I haven't seen any. I myself have posted the same video upwards of five times by this point. My evidence still puts Ganondorf above the archdemon.
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Get back to me when dorf kills at least two people in one encounter. I am disappoint.
That is completely unrelated to anything I said. Regardless, why would you want that? Quality beats quantity here, since Midna is stronger than pretty much anything the Archdemon has dealt with, and Ganondorf killed her. Oh, and he killed everything inside Hyrule Castle when he blew it to pieces. That puts Ganondorf above anything the Archdemon has ever done.
His ability is to call darkspawn in. So if he ever comes close to death he calls darkspawn into the fight. That's his ability just like dorf has the triforce. Feel the burn.
Again, I can either point out that Ganondorf can do the same thing, or point out that summoning is disallowed by forum rules. Either way, I don't care much.
Link lacks mobility with it while he uses two arms as opposed to the enemies one so of course he can he is using two arms.
So you admit your argument was worthless?
HE DID POSSESS POWERS. I mean do you think dorf was some common schlub he just wasn't armed with the triforce yet and even when he was he still lost.
He didn't possess any special durability or immortality, and he wasn't as powerful as normal. And he really didn't lose in the long run, since you keep ignoring the fact that he got stronger and broke the Mirror, and the Archdemon can't even use anything resembling the Mirror.
Dorf isn't durable he is easily cuttable as seen twice.
And once again I tell you that the sword failed to harm him after he got the Triforce, so the first time doesn't even count, and the second time was by the Master Sword, which you do not seem to want to acknowledge.
Archdemon is more powerful than dorf. In dorf's world the master sword is required which doesn't include a superior world with superior power and superior armies.
Other than the superior armies (lol hyrule soldiers), pretty much all of that is false. Zelda in general has more powerful characters than Dragon Age, and most of the world itself just has stronger stuff.
A possessed zelda isn't dorf. Link would never impaled Dorf as zelda because it's zelda. It was hilarious when you brought it up when it hurt your case.
None of that changes the fact that you were wrong, as Ganondorf still avoided impalement. Can you show me any scene where the Archdemon was not hurt by a weapon?
He resisted the effects it still stabbed him. Quit ignoring he gets impaled show me one instance where a sword can't cut him.
3:00. Did the sword harm him in that scene?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Archdemon didn't just fight one guy with a normal sword he fought and beat one warden who damaged him and then a mini force and then a party. Context.
Archdemon was crippled by one guy with a normal sword, and killed by a sword blow to the neck. Ganondorf was fought four times in different forms before being stabbed through the heart with his one weakness.
Dorf lost to Link one on one in a sword fight and Link due to Midna's help and Zelda's beat his other forms.
Aside from Midna, who he killed without any damage at all, Zelda and Link were wielding weapons that were designed to hurt him. Link beat him one on one after four battles with explicit weaknesses.
Midna wasn't dead. Dorf was beaten previously by sages who didn't use the master sword.
If she was not dead, please tell me where she was and what she was doing after the castle exploded, and she only appeared after the Light Spirits started working their magic. Ganondorf could not be harmed by the Sages after he got his powers and the Archdemon has no way to BFR him.
He gets harmed and killed by Link with his sword. You have no proof whatsoever of him being unable to be cut or damaged by swords.
Link was using the Master Sword, which cancels out Ganondorf's powers. My evidence is this:
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3:00.
Speculation. Like I said either prove it or quit speculating as a fact. Midna's form was changed she was never ever killed. Speculation again on your part.
Midna does not have enough power to destroy a castle. Midna is defeated by Ganondorf. We see a yellow energy pulse a second before the castle is destroyed, and Midna was the first one seen attacking. Since the pulse didn't destroy the castle and Ganondorf hadn't attacked yet, he's the only one that could have done the deed and since Midna also died, she couldn't have done it.
Zant did so with his power meaning he needed someone else's aid to even strike back at the artifact who crushed him prior to. He couldn't even do so on his own. Weak.
Wait. You think Zant using Ganondorf's power to do something means Ganondorf can't do it? That is highly illogical, and makes no sense at all. Regardless, the Sages outright said that Ganondorf did it.
It draws all darkspawn near to it. They can't resist this urging unless they drink warden blood so sorry but you are ignoring his ability and when he's in danger he is calling in tons of darkspawn.
Hold on a moment. Is the Archdemon summoning the darkspawn or calling existing darkspawn to its position? If the latter, it does not work since there are not any darkspawn in the area. And that then means the Archdemon dies without any darkspawn.
Because the archdemon is more powerful and isn't in hyrule so the master sword being hyrule's chance has nothing to do with ferelden.
Prove this, since the Archdemon has not displayed the power necessary to even harm Ganondorf, let alone comparable to the Master Sword's effect.
False. He resisted the effects but continuing to attack him in this tunned state would have easily killed him. They stood there dumb but still beat an even dumber opponent.
He resisted the effects of being cut. So he is, in fact, uncuttable, as proven when the sword fails to harm him at all. Further attacks would have done nothing.
The archdemon draws all darkspawn near.
Unless it creates them itself, there are no darkspawn nearby.
We never ever saw dorf ever display this power and neither midna so it makes sense for a battle between the two to destroy the castle. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Except we've seen Midna use her full power with the Fused Shadows, and it is not castle busting power. So when she used the same power again, it would not have been able to destroy the castle. We hadn't seen Ganondorf's full power yet at that point, but then he blew up the castle, proving that he had the power. There you go.
More powerful characters can destroy dorf he's not unbeatable nor is he even in his own game. He gets beat twice in one game. That's hilarious.
He gets beaten by exploiting weakness that harm him. Unless someone can do that, they can't beat him. Archdemon can do that, so it can't win.
Dorf's power did not dorf it was Zant. This was stated in the game and also the reason the mirror still existed until she destroyed it at the end because she was the rightful ruler.
Sages stated that it was Ganondorf that did it. You're arguing with a cutscene right now.
Dorf can't possess him nor has he shown the ability to and if that would happen it would destroy dorf's soul as well. I already explained this to you.
Ganondorf doesn't need to possess the Archdemon. He just needs to get both in the same body, and the Archdemon will die automatically. Ganondorf has more soul resistance than a Grey Warden, so his soul won't be destroyed.
Dorf had the triforce and used it and still got beaten while only losing one man despite him having the triforce of power.
I don't understand how you continue to think this when the defeat was a BFR, which the Archdemon is incapable of doing, and when Ganondorf came back and destroyed the Mirror after getting stronger.
Dorf didn't disintegrate Link nor Midna. Sorry he only beat one sage and failed to even touch another. Archdemon would beat dorf and solo hyrule imo.
So? He still disintegrated someone and the Archdemon has no resistance. Ganondorf touches the Archdemon and it dies. End of battle.
Originally posted by The ScenarioThe boots make the feats possible. Link lacks the weight to do anything outside the boots and while equipped lacks mobility and becomes a sitting duck. your question is irrelevant.
That's not answering the question. Do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no.Did you even watch the videos?
Archdemon is maybe ten times bigger than a human, and its head is about the size of a human.
Diababa is quite a bit larger, and even his head is twice as big as Link.
Morpheel is even bigger than that.
Stallord's smaller than Morpheel, but bigger than Diababa. Still bigger than the Archdemon.
And Armoghoma is slightly bigger than the Archdemon.
Again you have dodged my question. Answer it with either a yes or no, please. Did pulling the sword out of his heart hurt Ganondorf?
Why not? Ganondorf can reform his body from being destroyed and isn't harmed by normal swords.
Nah, they said it was Ganondorf. They know who Ganondorf is, after all. What does Zant have to do with this again?
Yes, Ganondorf is more powerful. Yes, Ganondorf loses to less foes, but they are very powerful. No, Link is not inexperienced.
It's spirit can't do anything without a darkspawn, so the Archdemon loses anyway. Why can't Ganondorf kill its body again? As I recal, the Archdemon is vulnerable to normal arrows and is torn apart by swords. Ganondorf is stronger than anything that's ever hit the Archdemon, so killing it won't be a problem.
'K, then Ganondorf summons all his Phantom Ganons, his horse, and his army and thus wins anyway. Or, you can follow the forum rules that say no summoning.
Which ones? None of the Archdemon's abilities will do much to Ganondorf.
Stop ignoring context. Ganondorf is no longer affected by the Mirror and the Archdemon can't replicate the Master Sword.
It is a yes or no question. Did the sword harm him after he got the Triforce?
Normal swords aren't made of light. Riordan's sword gives no indication that it is magical. Ganondorf ignores the sword after getting the Triforce.
How? If he can reform and the Archdemon doesn't have any real way to harm him, how can it win? Ganondorf just needs to slash the Archdemons neck and he wins.
That is completely unrelated to anything I said. Regardless, why would you want that? Quality beats quantity here, since Midna is stronger than pretty much anything the Archdemon has dealt with, and Ganondorf killed her. Oh, and he killed everything inside Hyrule Castle when he blew it to pieces. That puts Ganondorf above anything the Archdemon has ever done.
Again, I can either point out that Ganondorf can do the same thing, or point out that summoning is disallowed by forum rules. Either way, I don't care much.
So you admit your argument was worthless?
He didn't possess any special durability or immortality, and he wasn't as powerful as normal. And he really didn't lose in the long run, since you keep ignoring the fact that he got stronger and broke the Mirror, and the Archdemon can't even use anything resembling the Mirror.
And once again I tell you that the sword failed to harm him after he got the Triforce, so the first time doesn't even count, and the second time was by the Master Sword, which you do not seem to want to acknowledge.
Other than the superior armies (lol hyrule soldiers), pretty much all of that is false. Zelda in general has more powerful characters than Dragon Age, and most of the world itself just has stronger stuff.
None of that changes the fact that you were wrong, as Ganondorf still avoided impalement. Can you show me any scene where the Archdemon was not hurt by a weapon?
3:00. Did the sword harm him in that scene?
You are confusing the manner in which the game presents the battles here in terms of actual size. The archdemon is bigger imo than all these foes and size doesn't necessarily prove anything either way so it's a moot point in any event.
It didn't hurt him because the triforce negated the injuries prior to it definitely hurt and it still hurt when Link impaled him later on.
We have seen dorf harmed by normal swords and then resist one attack one time due to stupidity on the sages part which in the end didn't matter as he was easily defeated any way despite the master sword not bing present or the hero. Laughs.
Zant did so and the only reason the mirror wasn't completely destroyed was because he was never the true king. I still remember this from months ago but I kinda want to allow you rpoint only because dorf was unable to destroy it completely whereas Midna did so showing up him. Hahahahaha. Fine I will allow it.
Link is very inexperienced he learns his skills in practically no time and puts it together to defeat his foes with hardly any aid at all. The forces he faces are lackluster and consist of monkeys, a few random shadow beats, and random ogres. It's not even close to the kind of forces, leadership, organization, and power seen in just ferelden.
Dorf hasn't shown himself to be very strong at all. Link was shown to be weaker than the warrior who wielded the ball and chain and didn't overpower him. Dorf is powerful but not to the Archdemon's level or anywhere close it. He can't take on forces and needs others such as zant to actually succeed with this power where he mainly failed.
Dorf can kill his body because but won't so don't worry about it.
Dorf doesn't summon his army against Link just his horse and what not. he doesn't summon his army in battle not once whereas the archdemon's ability is to speak to them and drive them to his side and this actually happens in the battle unlike dorf. It's amusing you are even more desperate to sink this low without a tactic he even employs once in this game. That's the difference between you and I. I argue with things I have seen while you speculate.
You can ignore the archdemon's abilities all you want and glorify dorf's I am used to it by now. It won't work though and it shows you really can't even argue and fully back dorf since you ignore abilities.
So a dragon chewing on dorf can't kill him ? If dorf laid there could the archdemon kill him ? I can't wait to hear what kind of craziness you will say next.
Midna isn't stronger than even a high dragon nor has she shown herself to be so you are wrong good sir. I know i fthey appear in zelda they can throw houses and crap on mountains but if you play the games these characters aren't even close to where you have them at.
Dorf never blew up the castle on his own we don't know what exactly did so but common sense says it's a combination of their battle as neither has shown this amount of power on their own. Point quan.
No, you admitted he's weaker than the enemy as he doesn't use both arms and while Link does he's a sitting target.
The mirror was wrecked by Zant he needed someone else to do it for him. The archdemon doesn't need to use a mirror to kill him but why I am arguing with someone who hasn't even played dragon age yet argues vehemently against. Ignorance.
The triforce powered him up to take out the sword it didn't prevent damage from all future swords. it was a reaction to the injuries sustained not a permanent resistance to swords. Be serious.
Zelda doesn't have anything more powerful. Hyrule's army is a joke. The twili beasts are so few in number and generally so weak I see no reason outside a few forces from just ferelden to put all of these lands into ferelden's rule.
Mabari, werewolves, golems, drakes, fade demons, templars, redcliffe, dwarves, mages, emissaries, darkspawn, ogres, armored ogres, high dragons, valterran, bears, wolves, blight wolves, broodmothers, circle of magi, I mean honestly do I need to go on ?
You have noooo idea how deep this game goes and just how overwhelmed by sheer numbers forget the fact these forces are more organized and flat out superior with stronger forces and more powerful magical users in general.
If the archdemon gets hit by an arrow the damage is so minor why even bring it up we see the eldest grey warden I mean cut him the ---- up and still maul forces and take on four party members. The damage is so minor and doesn't effect his abilities save large range flying the difference isn't even noticeable.
Yes, it did harm him until he accessed the triforce and then pulled it out. Next time he was impaled he died.
Originally posted by The ScenarioArchdemon took on a grey warden who got the jump on him and it sill mattered not. He was easily defeated unlike the sages who easily bested dorf twice in one fight.
Archdemon was crippled by one guy with a normal sword, and killed by a sword blow to the neck. Ganondorf was fought four times in different forms before being stabbed through the heart with his one weakness.Aside from Midna, who he killed without any damage at all, Zelda and Link were wielding weapons that were designed to hurt him. Link beat him one on one after four battles with explicit weaknesses.
If she was not dead, please tell me where she was and what she was doing after the castle exploded, and she only appeared after the Light Spirits started working their magic. Ganondorf could not be harmed by the Sages after he got his powers and the Archdemon has no way to BFR him.
Link was using the Master Sword, which cancels out Ganondorf's powers. My evidence is this:
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3:00.Midna does not have enough power to destroy a castle. Midna is defeated by Ganondorf. We see a yellow energy pulse a second before the castle is destroyed, and Midna was the first one seen attacking. Since the pulse didn't destroy the castle and Ganondorf hadn't attacked yet, he's the only one that could have done the deed and since Midna also died, she couldn't have done it.
Wait. You think Zant using Ganondorf's power to do something means Ganondorf can't do it? That is highly illogical, and makes no sense at all. Regardless, the Sages outright said that Ganondorf did it.
Hold on a moment. Is the Archdemon summoning the darkspawn or calling existing darkspawn to its position? If the latter, it does not work since there are not any darkspawn in the area. And that then means the Archdemon dies without any darkspawn.
Prove this, since the Archdemon has not displayed the power necessary to even harm Ganondorf, let alone comparable to the Master Sword's effect.
He resisted the effects of being cut. So he is, in fact, uncuttable, as proven when the sword fails to harm him at all. Further attacks would have done nothing.
Unless it creates them itself, there are no darkspawn nearby.
Except we've seen Midna use her full power with the Fused Shadows, and it is not castle busting power. So when she used the same power again, it would not have been able to destroy the castle. We hadn't seen Ganondorf's full power yet at that point, but then he blew up the castle, proving that he had the power. There you go.
He gets beaten by exploiting weakness that harm him. Unless someone can do that, they can't beat him. Archdemon can do that, so it can't win.
Sages stated that it was Ganondorf that did it. You're arguing with a cutscene right now.
Ganondorf doesn't need to possess the Archdemon. He just needs to get both in the same body, and the Archdemon will die automatically. Ganondorf has more soul resistance than a Grey Warden, so his soul won't be destroyed.
I don't understand how you continue to think this when the defeat was a BFR, which the Archdemon is incapable of doing, and when Ganondorf came back and destroyed the Mirror after getting stronger.
So? He still disintegrated someone and the Archdemon has no resistance. Ganondorf touches the Archdemon and it dies. End of battle.
So what ? Dorf has a weapon backing him designed for power so why always make excuses for him. The master sword still needs to be wielded effectively and the light arrows aimed true. Dorf lost to an inexperienced fighter due to skill. In the end his lack of swordmanship cost him.
She was ko'd on the ground and the light spirits restored her true form afterwards. Nowhere ever does it make it seem like she was killed we are unaware until after the fight and it's obvious to me anyways she was just down but not permanently out.
The sages were up against the triforce so they used an artifact and easily beat dorf. The archdemon doesn't need to bfr him to beat him. Just bringing up how easy in his own game he is to beat.
Dorf didn't have the power to resist the impalement by the master sword. That's it he had the power to resist the sages also due to their stupidity as much as anything else.
Midna didn't do it on her own neither did dorf. I have said this the entire time whereas you keep saying she couldn't have done it which I agree with. Both of their attacks coupled caused this as dorf didn't even come close to wrecking a room prior to or after this. When archdemon dies it sends a powerful explosion whereas dorf dies just poop hits the ground from his smelly green ass.
False. Dorf was beaten twice and once without the master sword. The twilight mirror isn't his bane it's just another thing that has defeated him before.
Zant did so with his power but fine dorf couldn't wreck of all the mirror but midna could. I already conceded dorf's laughable power a post ago.
Summoning darkspawn in existence. It's an ability.
Dorf hasn't shown any resistance to any enemy in this game. The guy was killed rather quickly, imprisoned rather quickly, and then bfr'd rather quickly. Not very impressed.
He wasn't uncuttable he had the power to resist the sword's damage at that time but was shown later to go down to being cut in the same manner and couldn't resist it.
It calls them near if it's in trouble which it won't be so don't worry.
There is no surviving and it won't go inside of dorf anyways as he doesn't have the taint in him it seems you still don't understand.
Someone more powerful can kill dorf and even in his own game the sages and Link who are less powerful can beat him.
Just bringing up how easily he has been dealt with in the past. Archdemon doesn't need to do so.
Someone as big and powerful as the archdemon isn't as easy to disintegrate as some weak sage. You really don't even grasp power or the situation here.
Dorf gets eaten by the archdemon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots make the feats possible. Link lacks the weight to do anything outside the boots and while equipped lacks mobility and becomes a sitting duck. your question is irrelevant.
You're now ignoring my questions. Great. The point is that once a Goron is stopped, the extra weight isn't needed and Link can just use his strength. You seem to think he needs the boots to do anything requiring strength, which was why I asked. The feat proves that Link has immense strength behind his tiny arms, so his sword swings are stronger than a normal human's.
You are confusing the manner in which the game presents the battles here in terms of actual size. The archdemon is bigger imo than all these foes and size doesn't necessarily prove anything either way so it's a moot point in any event.
That doesn't make any sense at all. The way the battles are presented does not change the size of an entity. And size is not a matter of opinion, so "imo" means nothing here. The entire point of this was to establish that Link has fought things bigger than the Archdemon and gained experience from the battles.
It didn't hurt him because the triforce negated the injuries prior to it definitely hurt and it still hurt when Link impaled him later on.
Ok, so what prevents the Triforce from negating anything the Archdemon does? Since the sword could not cut him after he got the Triforce, I don't see the Archdemon as being able to cut him, either. And once again you ignore the context of the Master sword canceling the Triforce.
We have seen dorf harmed by normal swords and then resist one attack one time due to stupidity on the sages part which in the end didn't matter as he was easily defeated any way despite the master sword not bing present or the hero. Laughs.
No, we have not, in fact, seen Ganondorf hurt by any normal swords. He was hurt by a magical sword, though he became immune to it after he got the Triforce. And the Sages still were unable to harm him at all. The Mirror didn't harm him either, and for the possibly hundredth time, Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror later.
Zant did so and the only reason the mirror wasn't completely destroyed was because he was never the true king. I still remember this from months ago but I kinda want to allow you rpoint only because dorf was unable to destroy it completely whereas Midna did so showing up him. Hahahahaha. Fine I will allow it.
You are aware Ganondorf isn't the Twili king either, correct? And that the Mirror was created by the goddesses? And that it was their will that only the Twili ruler could truly destroy the Mirror? And despite that, Ganondorf still broke the Mirror.
Link is very inexperienced he learns his skills in practically no time and puts it together to defeat his foes with hardly any aid at all. The forces he faces are lackluster and consist of monkeys, a few random shadow beats, and random ogres. It's not even close to the kind of forces, leadership, organization, and power seen in just ferelden.
No, Link is quite experienced, what with fighting all the bigger than Archdemon monsters, as well as the Shadow Beasts and Bulblin military, along with Ganondorf's forces. By the time he reached Ganondorf, Link was an extremely skilled fighter, since he did all of it single handidly.
Dorf hasn't shown himself to be very strong at all. Link was shown to be weaker than the warrior who wielded the ball and chain and didn't overpower him. Dorf is powerful but not to the Archdemon's level or anywhere close it. He can't take on forces and needs others such as zant to actually succeed with this power where he mainly failed.
No, if you remember, Link was shown to be stronger than the warrior who weilded the Ball and Chain, since he did it much better. The Archdemon doesn't really have an strength feats aside from knocking down a few soldiers, and Ganondorf was breaking magical chains of light and competing with Link, which puts him above the Archdemon strengthwise.
Dorf can kill his body because but won't so don't worry about it.
See, it's when you say things like this with nothing back them that things get difficult. Ganondorf not only has a magical sword, his opponent also has a crippling vulnerability to any slashing or stabbing weapon. One cut is all it would really take for Ganondorf to win, if he did not just destroy the Archdemon's soul. And the Archdemon has not displayed the strength needed to hurt Ganondorf, let alone keep him from reforming.
Dorf doesn't summon his army against Link just his horse and what not. he doesn't summon his army in battle not once whereas the archdemon's ability is to speak to them and drive them to his side and this actually happens in the battle unlike dorf. It's amusing you are even more desperate to sink this low without a tactic he even employs once in this game. That's the difference between you and I. I argue with things I have seen while you speculate.
Uh, no. Read the rules. There are no darkspawn in this thread, so the Archdemon has nothing to call. Even if he could, Ganondorf's Phantom Ganons (which he used in the horseback fight) would make quick work of them, and Ganondorf can just keep summing more. Hell, he can just send the Phantoms after the Archdemon while he hangs back a reflects all the Archdemon's ranged attacks.
You can ignore the archdemon's abilities all you want and glorify dorf's I am used to it by now. It won't work though and it shows you really can't even argue and fully back dorf since you ignore abilities.
No, seriously, how does the Archdemon call any darkspawn if there are not any in the area? Explain that, please. This is a one on one forum fight, and darkspawn would be outside help. Did you just decide to add darkspawn to the Archdemon's side?
So a dragon chewing on dorf can't kill him ? If dorf laid there could the archdemon kill him ? I can't wait to hear what kind of craziness you will say next.
The Archdemon has not displayed the strength needed to harm Ganondorf. No, unless you post a strength feat, the Archdemon could not kill Ganondorf even if he just stood there. However, if you can post a sufficient strength feat, you'll win.
Midna isn't stronger than even a high dragon nor has she shown herself to be so you are wrong good sir. I know i fthey appear in zelda they can throw houses and crap on mountains but if you play the games these characters aren't even close to where you have them at.
Midna has shown enough TK to lift a bridge. That puts her above a high dragon. If you paid attention you would see this. However, Midna can't blow up a castle. Ganondorf can blow up a castle, though, so the Archdemon really has no way to win.
Dorf never blew up the castle on his own we don't know what exactly did so but common sense says it's a combination of their battle as neither has shown this amount of power on their own. Point quan.
No. This is the extent of Midna's power:
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As you can plainly see, Midna, while powerful, cannot destroy a castle at her maximum. Since Midna could not have done it, and Ganondorf was the only other on there, it literally could not have been anyone else. Ganondorf obviously destroyed the castle.
No, you admitted he's weaker than the enemy as he doesn't use both arms and while Link does he's a sitting target.
I never agreed to that. I simply said that Link does not need 6 or so seconds of rest before throwing the Ball and Chain again like the boss does, so he is obviously stronger.
The mirror was wrecked by Zant he needed someone else to do it for him. The archdemon doesn't need to use a mirror to kill him but why I am arguing with someone who hasn't even played dragon age yet argues vehemently against. Ignorance.
Why are you saying Zant did it when you already agreed that Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror? And you are aware that I have posted more Dragon Age videos in this thread than you have? And that the first thing I did when I saw this thread was to look at the Dragon Age wiki and then read its Tvtropes article? I don't need to play a game to know how strong its characters are.
The triforce powered him up to take out the sword it didn't prevent damage from all future swords. it was a reaction to the injuries sustained not a permanent resistance to swords. Be serious.
Uh, yes it did. That's why the sword failed to damage him when he removed it. Do you honestly think that's a power he would turn off voluntarily? Be serious.
Zelda doesn't have anything more powerful. Hyrule's army is a joke. The twili beasts are so few in number and generally so weak I see no reason outside a few forces from just ferelden to put all of these lands into ferelden's rule.Mabari, werewolves, golems, drakes, fade demons, templars, redcliffe, dwarves, mages, emissaries, darkspawn, ogres, armored ogres, high dragons, valterran, bears, wolves, blight wolves, broodmothers, circle of magi, I mean honestly do I need to go on ?
Zant would solo them. See, the thing about Zelda is that it is not army based. It just tends to have several super strong characters that leave everyone else in the dust. But regardless, let's see:
Aerofos, Armos, Beamos, Bokoblin, Bulblin, Chilfos, Darknut, Deku-Baba, Dodongo, Dinofos, Freezard, Helmasaurus, Imp Poe, Kargarok, Lizalfos, Moldorm, Poe, Puppet, Redead Knight, Skulltula, Stalfos, Stalhound, Shadow Kargarok, Shadow Beast, White Wolfos, etc. There ya go.
You have noooo idea how deep this game goes and just how overwhelmed by sheer numbers forget the fact these forces are more organized and flat out superior with stronger forces and more powerful magical users in general.
I've seen nothing from then that indicates this. However, this is off topic and irrelevant.
If the archdemon gets hit by an arrow the damage is so minor why even bring it up we see the eldest grey warden I mean cut him the ---- up and still maul forces and take on four party members. The damage is so minor and doesn't effect his abilities save large range flying the difference isn't even noticeable.
Yet he still notices, and the Archdemon flinches at arrows in cutscene. Whereas Ganondorf laughs at swords.
Yes, it did harm him until he accessed the triforce and then pulled it out. Next time he was impaled he died.
It did not harm him when he pulled it out. He was only impaled because the Master Sword was doing the impaling.
Archdemon took on a grey warden who got the jump on him and it sill mattered not. He was easily defeated unlike the sages who easily bested dorf twice in one fight.
Spent the entire cutscene bleeding and screaming in pain befre falling to the ground. It beat Riordan accidentally. And you know what? It's easier to just say the Arxhdemon can't do what the Sages did.
So what ? Dorf has a weapon backing him designed for power so why always make excuses for him. The master sword still needs to be wielded effectively and the light arrows aimed true. Dorf lost to an inexperienced fighter due to skill. In the end his lack of swordmanship cost him.
Link is highly experienced and highly skilled. Don't underestimate him, especially since Link also has the Triforce of Courage. But its not like the Archdemon uses swords, so why bring it up? Ganondorf is still a superior fighter to the Archdemon, thanks to his power and durability.
She was ko'd on the ground and the light spirits restored her true form afterwards. Nowhere ever does it make it seem like she was killed we are unaware until after the fight and it's obvious to me anyways she was just down but not permanently out.
Ganondorf crushed her helmet. At that point, she was dead. The very fact that Ganondorf had to ppry the thing from her head is proof of that.
The sages were up against the triforce so they used an artifact and easily beat dorf. The archdemon doesn't need to bfr him to beat him. Just bringing up how easy in his own game he is to beat.
No, you're just intentionally ignoring context and bashing Ganondorf at every opportunity. If Ganondorf could only be beaten by BFR or Link's strength with the Master Sword, and the Archdemon has neither, how will he win? Not to mention that Ganondorf can no longer be BFR'd since he can travel across dimensions and broke the Mirror of Twilight.
Dorf didn't have the power to resist the impalement by the master sword. That's it he had the power to resist the sages also due to their stupidity as much as anything else.
Now you're getting it. Ganondorf can resist pretty much everything but the thing designed to hurt him. Other things can't hurt him.
Midna didn't do it on her own neither did dorf. I have said this the entire time whereas you keep saying she couldn't have done it which I agree with. Both of their attacks coupled caused this as dorf didn't even come close to wrecking a room prior to or after this. When archdemon dies it sends a powerful explosion whereas dorf dies just poop hits the ground from his smelly green ass.
No, we've seen that Midna's maximum isn't even close to good enough for castle busting, while we hadn't seen Ganondorf go all out. When he did, he killed Midna and destroyed Hyrule castle. Why are you bashing Ganondorf so much, really? I understand if you hate Zelda, but that's just being ridiculous.
False. Dorf was beaten twice and once without the master sword. The twilight mirror isn't his bane it's just another thing that has defeated him before.
The Mirror of Twilight also failed to hurt Ganondorf in any way. It sent him away, but it could not harm him. That may count as a defeat, but now that Ganondorf mastered the Triforce, he can cross dimensions and make the BFR useless. And since the Archdemon cannot BFR, Ganondorf destroys it.
Zant did so with his power but fine dorf couldn't wreck of all the mirror but midna could. I already conceded dorf's laughable power a post ago.
Except that you forgot that Ganondorf killed Midna. The only reason he couldn't completely shatter the Mirror is because he wasn't a Twili ruler. Power had nothing to with it. How is that laughable again?
Summoning darkspawn in existence. It's an ability.
So the darkspawn have to already be in the area. That just conirms that the Archdemon can't do it, since that would be outside help and against the rules. The OP did not give the Arxhdemon any darkspawn, so he can't have them.
Dorf hasn't shown any resistance to any enemy in this game. The guy was killed rather quickly, imprisoned rather quickly, and then bfr'd rather quickly. Not very impressed.
The Archdemon was crippled rather quickly, fell rather quickly, and was killed rather quickly. What's your point, that you ignore context and facts whenever you want?
He wasn't uncuttable he had the power to resist the sword's damage at that time but was shown later to go down to being cut in the same manner and couldn't resist it.
He resisted the sword's damage. This means he resisted being cut. This means he is uncuttable by normal blades and some magical blades. The only one he can't resist is the Master Sword, which he Archdemon can't use.
It calls them near if it's in trouble which it won't be so don't worry.
There are not any darkspawn to call in a forum fight. It is a one on one fight, and the darkspawn essentially do not exist for it to call. Do you not understand this?
There is no surviving and it won't go inside of dorf anyways as he doesn't have the taint in him it seems you still don't understand.
I understand perfectly. The Archdemon doesn't need to go inside inside Ganondorf. However, Ganondorf can go inside the Archdemon for the same effect, thus destroying the Archdemon's soul.
Someone more powerful can kill dorf and even in his own game the sages and Link who are less powerful can beat him.
The Sages can't beat him, they can just send him away. If you really can't remember, the Mirror of Twilight can't hurt Ganondorf, and he can break it. The Master Sword and Triforce of Courage puts Link on Ganondorf's level.
Just bringing up how easily he has been dealt with in the past. Archdemon doesn't need to do so.
You're admitting that it was pointless, then? If the Arxhdemon can't do the same, he can't beat Ganondorf. It's just that simple.
Someone as big and powerful as the archdemon isn't as easy to disintegrate as some weak sage. You really don't even grasp power or the situation here.
Prove it. The Archdemon has no resistance unless you can show it to me. Prove the Archdemon has resistance or it dies on contact with Ganondorf.
Dorf gets eaten by the archdemon.
Thus touching Ganondorf, thus dying. Thus getting possessed, thus dying. Archy can't win.