Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeThere is zero evidence to claim he is superhumanly strong and I don't ignore his gear induced strength feats like so many others. Struggling to coral a horse doesn't bode well for super strength.
I notice you didn't refute the claim, Quan.There is actually evidence to say he is super human. There isn't anything to say he isn't.
Originally posted by BloodRainHe like most heroes are above normal human capabilities as it's fantasy to begin with he doesn't have to play by our rules.
So you admit that Link is above human capabilities?All it proves is that that boss has strength >= Links at that time, but thats getting technical for the boss. Either way doesnt help either of us.
Ever heard of being gentle with animals? EG if the Hulk uses his full power to tame a horse, what would happen? Then its strange that of everyone whos seen Link only one person disagrees that hes strong =| No it means youre light, thats how things work. If a small child could lift a truck over his head you would need to have the high strength of at least 30kg to push him over. No matter what, your weight is your weight and itd only take something stronger to move you. Prove that boots can give you strength.
Doesnt wear boots vs Dorf..Aha... it really, really isnt. Prove that this spell effects inanimate objects.
Yeah you explained but with no evidence or real, backed up ideas. Sorry if I dont agree with you just because you gave an opinion..
Knocks back giant ice mass.. Well would you look at that. Prove that boots can give you strength.
Lets see, several instances of Link doing superhuman acts and agreeing to it is sad while one person not accepting even if the facts, in-game and irl are against him is not? He's portrayed as stronger then a human.
No but what he does to them means he is.
Nah. Its simple, if he wasnt meant to be strong he wouldn't of done the things he's done. Thats it. Only way you can argue against it would be if you knew what the developers had in mind.
There it is.. Now that we've established that, answer this: Youve admitted that the boots dont make him strong claim Link has human strength, then explain how he can lift a Goron off the ground. Only answer to make him sound human is to say that you or I with heavy boots can lift a large rock like that.
It proves Link isn't super strong. To see him struggle with a ball and chain shows us he's as strong as necessary but superhumanly strong not a chance.
Hulk could easily bring the horse in without killing it unlike Link who had to use his full strength to successfully do so.
Not only one person just one person vocal enough on this site like myself you guys have been drinking this kool aid for a while so change is hard but thankfully I am here to aid you all.
I don't have to prove boots give him strength they give him the weight possible to contend with said foes. You need to prove he can do so without the boots which he can't in the game.
Dorf has only shown super strength once when tapping into the power triforce. He didn't do so until the end of the battle with Link.
It affects magic in general. You need to prove this spell won't work on an object.
I have explained it over and over again not my fault you won't listen to the voice of reason.
Inconsistent boss battle which doesn't prove anything. You need to prove Link can do this feat on his own without the boots.
I have denied nothing and like usual told you about the inconsistencies with the feats in the game and how he is portrayed and you ignore how he is portrayed in favor of unprovable weight masses for his feats.
It means like anything the creator didn't imply he's super strong there are inconsistencies which contradict how he is portrayed throughout the entire game.
He's meant to be strong enough if he were what you claim he is the ball and chain would be nothing and the horse would be tamed by his pinky.
The boots give him the weight necessary to achieve the feat and without it he can't even push one back. Weight and strength go hand in hand.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There is zero evidence to claim he is superhumanly strong and I don't ignore his gear induced strength feats like so many others. Struggling to coral a horse doesn't bode well for super strength.
Maybe he was struggling becuase like BloodRain said he didn't want to rip its head off with his obvious superstrength. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
He like most heroes are above normal human capabilities as it's fantasy to begin with he doesn't have to play by our rules.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It proves Link isn't super strong. To see him struggle with a ball and chain shows us he's as strong as necessary but superhumanly strong not a chance.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk could easily bring the horse in without killing it unlike Link who had to use his full strength to successfully do so.Not only one person just one person vocal enough on this site like myself you guys have been drinking this kool aid for a while so change is hard but thankfully I am here to aid you all.
I don't have to prove boots give him strength they give him the weight possible to contend with said foes. You need to prove he can do so without the boots which he can't in the game.
Dorf has only shown super strength once when tapping into the power triforce. He didn't do so until the end of the battle with Link.
Triforce stays active after activation.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It affects magic in general. You need to prove this spell won't work on an object.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have explained it over and over again not my fault you won't listen to the voice of reason.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Inconsistent boss battle which doesn't prove anything. You need to prove Link can do this feat on his own without the boots.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have denied nothing and like usual told you about the inconsistencies with the feats in the game and how he is portrayed and you ignore how he is portrayed in favor of unprovable weight masses for his feats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It means like anything the creator didn't imply he's super strong there are inconsistencies which contradict how he is portrayed throughout the entire game.
He's meant to be strong enough if he were what you claim he is the ball and chain would be nothing and the horse would be tamed by his pinky.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots give him the weight necessary to achieve the feat and without it he can't even push one back. Weight and strength go hand in hand.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It has nothing to do with mental resistance. Nothing. Link has never ever resisted an enemy's attack based on his mental resistance. Sorry but he falls victim to this very easily and gets crushed.
Prove that, if you will
That mental resistence won't work
Link's resisted much worse to kill
Fused Shadow and Mirror lurk
Tanking one strike isn't saying they can tank every strike. If you allow him to strike Link he takes damage. You try to create some absurd logic like Link can't be hurt by axe strikes which even a child could see through this line of horrible logic.
Absurd logic, really, you think?
One strike failed but a second will do?
No damage when the axe struck Link
If a child could see it, why don't you?
Link can't take the damage Mother can nor does he have what it takes to survive multiple tentacles lashing at him with Mother laying on attacks from a safe distance. Anyone in tp can hurt Link from the lowliest scrubs so he's in trouble. Yes, a party of four beats him but they'd maul Link as well especially if you give them the tevinter weapons to use against Link.
How much can the Mother take?
I assure Link's taken worse
Since you're using gameplay that'll make
Link even better, no matter your curse
If Link can be damaged by the low
Why do you ignore the high?
Volcanic rocks and freezing breath go
Hand in hand with a cannon of sky
Lasers from spiders and magic blast
Axes and swords, and tentacles nigh
Link's resisted worse, and that's not last
The Mother has nothing, really, that she can do
That Link hasn't faced a million times through
The armor is magical this is a gameplay mechanic but the spell targets the actual mana power or magic which is negated. I feel sorry for Link he has no chance.
Powered by money, not mana, I've already said
So your desperate claim has nowhere to head
The glyph drains mana, and can be dodged
Which Link can do, as it stays where it's lodged
When has Link displayed skin so tough it can resist being cut by knifes wielded by skilled adversaries ? I mean piranha plants can kill him. Please back up these claims of Link being unable to be hurt by even the lowliest grunts in zelda.
Anytime he's been hit, as you should know
Darknut swords never bring him low
Never one strike is all it takes to kill
And Link wins every time, with strength and skill
He can reach the mother but he is being attacked the entire time and she can tank a lot of damage whereas Link cannot. Big diff there, sport.
Prove the Mother tanks damage
How much would you say?
Link's taken worse than a knife
Unless you're talking gameplay
In which Link tanks everything
From bombs to a magical ray
Yes, it was he has to use a certain technique to do so and him being super strong was never the point. he was strong enough if he was super strong he'd do so easily with one arm but guess what he was never portrayed as super strong.
An adventure's beginning before Link starts for real
It's still a great feat of strength from a human's deal
And later, Link's stronger, throwing Gorons and ice
Debying all that makes you desperate for vice
Zant is nothing compared to the Mother he's comparable to a competent mage in dragon age imo but in zelda he's a big deal.
As if, Zant is too powerful for that Age
Get back to me when a competent mage
Call pull a country to a realm of dark light
And warp a room to lava and blight
No, I believe the game isn't consistent with real life and surviving the cannons proves nothing. Only a fanboy would claim Link can survive dropping thousands of feet after playing through this game.
A portrayed feat is a feat
Your opinion holds no weight
A super human elite
Could survive with ease and gait
That's not very logical. The point is when you weigh more you can lift more and not the other way around you tried placing in specific factors which still don't change the issue by any means. More weight equals more strength.
Metal on your feat makes one strong
Is the argument you're making now
I have no problem saying you're wrong
But you fail to understand this how?
Take it however you will I won't post youtube vids. Not my fault you don't play the games I take this as a forfeit from yourself. Please spell forfeit correctly you lose your point when you continue to misspell this word.
I lose no point when you just ignore
And continue to refuse what I ask for
A concession you're making
Saying won't or you can't?
With this evidendence faking
Your point is an ant
It's not a boss I said a boss so please get back to me when you don't throw a sub boss at me.
Why should I do more?
The Warden can't kill humans that matter
In one hit of gore
While Link kills armored monsters and chatter
With one swing of his sword
Yes, because he wasn't dead yet and needed to act quickly so he tried and failed. Pathetic.
Had it not been the Master Sword
That never would have failed
That Ganondorf stood up proves he is lord
Of Archdemon, Mother and Warden who hailed
The same strike would kill each, but for you
And your hypocrisy and how you out of context railed
In the game Link leaves himself open and when about to mortal draw he himself dies when hit.
Link dies in one hit?
My, my, that one's new
Please prove that claim whem you pit
The Warden to human he can't kill in few
Link isn't stronger than dragon age characters imo. Same class the guy struggles to stop goats and to deal with meatier characters without boots.
Your opinion, I've told you, fails
Without proof all you have is rails
Your claims are unproven, words unbacked
I've presented my evidence, which you have lacked
No he cannot.
But he can, don't you see
The final form of that boss is killed easily.
Link recovered if he gets hit with the sharp part he bleeds and in gameplay gets hurt everytime he gets hit. Shrugging off an attack doesn't mean total immunity.
Shrugging off one means he'll shrug off more
An axe to the face is nothing but a chore
Link's never shown to bleed, not once
The Mother is defeated like a simple dunce
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Link beat him eventually through help and more or less is better than zant. I will agree to that.
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What help with Zant did Link receive?
In that battle Link won did only he acheive
Not Midna, not Zelda, no help was there
Just Link and his blade, to make it fair
No, he did not. if he stayed powered up forever he wouldn't need to access it again against Link. gotcha.
Got nothing, you mean, if that's it
Ganondorf stood up on his own, to wit
The Triforce faded due to the blade
Of Evil's Bane, for which it was made
Originally posted by quanchi112
There is zero evidence to claim he is superhumanly strong and I don't ignore his gear induced strength feats like so many others. Struggling to coral a horse doesn't bode well for super strength.
You are a fool. There is no other way to put it.
Link being pulled around by a horse suspended in mid-****ing-air does NOT mean that Link is as strong as a normal human. How you ever got past grade eight without learning a single scrap of physics is absolutely baffling.
And quit ignoring the fact that boots don't add arm strength. It was lolzy at first, and now it's just irritating.
Originally posted by NephthysIf you're superstrong you can control your strength you don't have to rip it's head off to ge it under control. LoL.
Maybe he was struggling becuase like BloodRain said he didn't want to rip its head off with his obvious superstrength. 😬
Originally posted by BloodRainWhich I am doing I am simply explaining the nature of most creators mindsets when creating these feats.
One problem, here at KMC game vs we base if off our/Earthly rules. You not playing by these rules does not change anything.Nah, just that the boss is strong.
Not sure what moment you're talking about but the only time I saw him control Epona was when he had to wait for her to calm down, not man-handle her. Superstrength = dead Epona... what part don't you understand?
Really fixed to that kool aid image.. Link fans agree, Link haters agree, unbiased people agree, you don't. See the pattern here? If the haters and unbiased people here can agree that Link's strong then anything you say is moot.
If you support that idea then yeah, you do.Triforce stays active after activation.
Its like law, the prosecutor has to prove something then its the attorneys turn to counter. In other words youll need to prove that it can do what you think it can, then it'll be my turn to prove why it cant.
''no evidence or real, backed up ideas''
No boots during the ice boss..
Ive actually stopped referencing the weight numbers just so you don't have a tantrum, but seems there's no point. You just want him to be portrayed as human strength for what I can only imaging is fan love for Dragon Age. Btw its not inconsistent if its happened multiple times.
This 'portrayal' is only seen by you. Do you know what the developers are thinking? No. How about this, if youre so sure about this portrayal then go find something official like a quote or something instead of pleading us to rely on your word.
Was waiting for you to say this ^^ See youre nearly right here. Yes a heavier/bulky person is stronger then a light/flimsy one. Weight = Strength.. but that only accounts for [b]natural
weight not artificial weight. This is why weightlifters and strongmen dont wear suits of armour when lifting things because artificial weight does nothing but hinder them. Check and mate. [/B]
That boss is a lot stronger than Link as are the Gorons.
So if I am really strong I can't control my strength ? Are you serious ? You think he's so strong he can just flick the animal to death or something.
Link's strong as he needs to be but isn't portrayed in his own game as some super strong stud which makes sense playing the game.
If the triforce stayed active after activation why would dorf try to access it again after Link stabbed him ? if it was already on why bother ? Once again logic backs me up.
it affects magic. If you play the game that's a fact. If you dispute this then you obviously haven't played the game. It only drains it temporarily though.
There were no strength feats during the ice boss whatsoever.
I am not pleading anything I am right you can disagree however you want I know I am right but you are welcome to your opinion.
But we are in a videogame universe where this feat can and will happen. Irl you put on heavy boots and they are a hindrance but you insist on comparing everything to real life so you still lose and like I said fantasy rules don't have to mesh with physics and common sense.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeThis entire post is just a flame.
You are a fool. There is no other way to put it.Link being pulled around by a horse suspended in mid-****ing-air does [B]NOT
mean that Link is as strong as a normal human. How you ever got past grade eight without learning a single scrap of physics is absolutely baffling.And quit ignoring the fact that boots don't add arm strength. It was lolzy at first, and now it's just irritating. [/B]
Videogames and reality don't always go hand in hand hence putting on heavy boots actually doesn't make you able to outwrestle a sumo it actually hurts you more than it helps.
Link struggling with a horse shows how I see him being portrayed. he's strong yes but super strong no.
Actually only the first part is a flame. The rest of it is stating obvious.
And no, it doesn't. That statement makes it perfectly clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. Sumo wrestling is about strength and weight. Link had strength, all he needed was weight.
It isn't struggling. To struggle, you have to be capable of fighting back. Link is not even on the ground, Quan. You can't just yank the reigns and the horse lurches backwards, defeated. In fact, with the position he was in, yanking the reigns would actually second him rocketing forward.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeAnd weight and strength go hand in hand. If you tell someone hey you have the strength needed to take on this sumo here take these boots that guy would be annihilated in real life and would fall on his keyster.
Actually only the first part is a flame. The rest of it is stating obvious.And no, it doesn't. That statement makes it perfectly clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. Sumo wrestling is about strength and weight. Link had strength, all he needed was weight.
It isn't struggling. To struggle, you have to be capable of fighting back. Link is not even on the ground, Quan. You can't just yank the reigns and the horse lurches backwards, defeated. In fact, with the position he was in, yanking the reigns would actually second him rocketing forward.
If you are strong enough you can subdue the horse easily if you can lift hundreds of tons.
Originally posted by quanchi112
And weight and strength go hand in hand. If you tell someone hey you have the strength needed to take on this sumo here take these boots that guy would be annihilated in real life and would fall on his keyster.If you are strong enough you can subdue the horse easily if you can lift hundreds of tons.
Lol, no, he wouldn't. With the strength to overpower his opponent's weight, and weight that his opponent can't toss around like a toy, he can win pretty damn easily. I'm sure there is a technique involved, but we're talking about Link here. He's a dead eye after holding a Bow for probably little more than twenty minutes.
Not when you don't want to kill it and you're in MID-****ING-AIR.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeThe boots are a hindrance he can't move crap laterally and you can see it in the game and it'd be so easy to push him over while he fell down with his boots staying upright.
Lol, no, he wouldn't. With the strength to overpower his opponent's weight, and weight that his opponent can't toss around like a toy, he can win pretty damn easily. I'm sure there is a technique involved, but we're talking about Link here. He's a dead eye after holding a Bow for probably little more than twenty minutes.Not when you don't want to kill it and you're in [b]MID-****ING-AIR
. [/B]
There should never be a mid air moment due to his supposed super strength which simply doesn't exist.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Prove that, if you will
That mental resistence won't work
Link's resisted much worse to kill
Fused Shadow and Mirror lurkAbsurd logic, really, you think?
One strike failed but a second will do?
No damage when the axe struck Link
If a child could see it, why don't you?How much can the Mother take?
I assure Link's taken worse
Since you're using gameplay that'll make
Link even better, no matter your curse
If Link can be damaged by the low
Why do you ignore the high?
Volcanic rocks and freezing breath go
Hand in hand with a cannon of sky
Lasers from spiders and magic blast
Axes and swords, and tentacles nigh
Link's resisted worse, and that's not last
The Mother has nothing, really, that she can do
That Link hasn't faced a million times throughPowered by money, not mana, I've already said
So your desperate claim has nowhere to head
The glyph drains mana, and can be dodged
Which Link can do, as it stays where it's lodgedAnytime he's been hit, as you should know
Darknut swords never bring him low
Never one strike is all it takes to kill
And Link wins every time, with strength and skillProve the Mother tanks damage
How much would you say?
Link's taken worse than a knife
Unless you're talking gameplay
In which Link tanks everything
From bombs to a magical rayAn adventure's beginning before Link starts for real
It's still a great feat of strength from a human's deal
And later, Link's stronger, throwing Gorons and ice
Debying all that makes you desperate for viceAs if, Zant is too powerful for that Age
Get back to me when a competent mage
Call pull a country to a realm of dark light
And warp a room to lava and blightA portrayed feat is a feat
Your opinion holds no weight
A super human elite
Could survive with ease and gaitMetal on your feat makes one strong
Is the argument you're making now
I have no problem saying you're wrong
But you fail to understand this how?I lose no point when you just ignore
And continue to refuse what I ask for
A concession you're making
Saying won't or you can't?
With this evidendence faking
Your point is an antWhy should I do more?
The Warden can't kill humans that matter
In one hit of gore
While Link kills armored monsters and chatter
With one swing of his swordHad it not been the Master Sword
That never would have failed
That Ganondorf stood up proves he is lord
Of Archdemon, Mother and Warden who hailed
The same strike would kill each, but for you
And your hypocrisy and how you out of context railedLink dies in one hit?
My, my, that one's new
Please prove that claim whem you pit
The Warden to human he can't kill in fewYour opinion, I've told you, fails
Without proof all you have is rails
Your claims are unproven, words unbacked
I've presented my evidence, which you have lackedBut he can, don't you see
The final form of that boss is killed easily.Shrugging off one means he'll shrug off more
An axe to the face is nothing but a chore
Link's never shown to bleed, not once
The Mother is defeated like a simple dunce
What help with Zant did Link receive?
In that battle Link won did only he acheive
Not Midna, not Zelda, no help was there
Just Link and his blade, to make it fair
Got nothing, you mean, if that's it
Ganondorf stood up on his own, to wit
The Triforce faded due to the blade
Of Evil's Bane, for which it was made [/QUOTE] When has Link resisted an enemy's attack or resisted turning into a wolf ? Just because he resists turning evil that doesn't mean anything he's the chosen hero anyways so why would he fall victim to evil anyways.
Because irl like anything one attack could be shrugged off sure depending on the attack the level of defense, etc. Now if Link lets him hit him again he takes damage. If link gets hit by anyone he gets hurt. That's like seeing someone get punched twice and then saying all punches can't phase him. This logic is absurd. Right after he tanks one hit per game he takes damage every single time.
Link's foes and their attacks aren't as powerful as what I have seen from dragon age by just a random mage or what not. Link takes considerable damage from the bosses. That to me shows how little he can take. The Mother can take on four really powerful heroes and ancient weapons and survive them whereas Link can be killed by a piranha plant with probably like double digit attacks.
Link needs boots to throw gorons and his othe rfeats havebeen dealt with and are being misconstrued.
That's a gameplay mechanic but the armor is powered by magic. This spell attacks the magic and depletes it.
Hyrule consists of a village, a sea land, death mountain, and the desert with minimal people resisting in there and no real capable army defending it. In dragon age there are capable opposition more so than Zelda whereas most rely on just Link as there is little else to save this land from harm.
Prove in the game the cannons can be fatal. You made the claim that surviving is awesome so prove it.
Metal on one's feet makes them able to contend with gorons per Bo. I didn't create the game. Teehee.
Not my fault you don't play the games. You need to research yourself the onus isn't on me to educate you about the game.
One boss whereas Link can't kill one armored knight with one blow. Link's opposition also fails to impress.
When the master sword wasn't present prior he still was defeated so you really have no excuse he gets beat every time he shows up when he faces males.
Link states if hit before a mortal draw he dies. That's canon. Oh yeah.
I just don't see him doing the damage we see wardens capable of to the foes we see them battling. I see hyrule as like a little league in videogames.
Final form of what boss ?
Being hit by the blunt end is different from the rest of the axe and game play wise he gets hurt every time thereafter.
Link was aided the first time he met up with Zant and if not aided he dies.
If he already had access to it why try to access it again he should already know it won't work. I mean come on.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you're superstrong you can control your strength you don't have to rip it's head off to ge it under control. LoL.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Which I am doing I am simply explaining the nature of most creators mindsets when creating these feats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That boss is a lot stronger than Link as are the Gorons.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So if I am really strong I can't control my strength ? Are you serious ? You think he's so strong he can just flick the animal to death or something.Link's strong as he needs to be but isn't portrayed in his own game as some super strong stud which makes sense playing the game.
If the triforce stayed active after activation why would dorf try to access it again after Link stabbed him ? if it was already on why bother ? Once again logic backs me up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link struggling with a horse shows how I see him being portrayed. he's strong yes but super strong no.
Your own logic backs you up, all the games however dont.
Originally posted by quanchi112
it affects magic. If you play the game that's a fact. If you dispute this then you obviously haven't played the game. It only drains it temporarily though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There were no strength feats during the ice boss whatsoever.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not pleading anything I am right you can disagree however you want I know I am right but you are welcome to your opinion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
But we are in a videogame universe where this feat can and will happen. Irl you put on heavy boots and they are a hindrance but you insist on comparing everything to real life so you still lose and like I said fantasy rules don't have to mesh with physics and common sense.
To say that Link isnt strong you will have to prove that added weight can give you strength irl (which you cant because it doesnt work like that) or alternatively prove that the Iron Boots give Link super strength. (which you cant do without a gameplay description) Or the third, smarter, more logical (and pretty much only..) choice of dropping this 'only strong because of the boots' argument. Your call pall.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots are a hindrance he can't move crap laterally and you can see it in the game and it'd be so easy to push him over while he fell down with his boots staying upright.There should never be a mid air moment due to his supposed super strength which simply doesn't exist.
That's kind of the point to sumo wrestling. You know, to not fall out of the ring.
Exactly. It'd normally be easy to just push him over. Luckily for him he's super strong, with the added weight allowing him the ability to ensure he isn't just pushed over.
Dude. Weight. The fact that Link can bench press hundreds of times his own body weight doesn't change the fact that the same body weighs no more than 200 or so pounds. How do you still not get it?