Mother vs. Link (TP)

Well, first, your opinion doesn't mean jack shit. But don't feel bad, because mine doesn't either. They aren't supposed to.

And yeah, when faced with someone as powerful as Ganondorf and Zant, and he does not have the Master Sword, he needs help to survive.

He really never gets a whole lot of help. Most anyone who isn't Zelda just tell him somewhere he has to go to get an item he can use. He always wins his fights on his own. All the other characters basically amount to "The big scary monster is over thar!"

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, first, your opinion doesn't mean jack shit. But don't feel bad, because mine doesn't either. They aren't supposed to.

And yeah, when faced with someone as powerful as Ganondorf and Zant, and he does not have the Master Sword, he needs help to survive.

He really never gets a whole lot of help. Most anyone who isn't Zelda just tell him somewhere he has to go to get an item he can use. He always wins his fights on his own. All the other characters basically amount to "The big scary monster is over thar!"

Most heros in games usually receive help in some form I do admit but this guy just doesn't face the dire odds most heroes do. I just don't see dorf or zant as all that.

I thought you played Ocarina of Time?

Oh, and I hope that:

"Most heroes in games do receive help I admit"

wasn't replying to anything I said. Because I didn't try to make that point at all.

I also know that last part. Which is why you're wrong.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I thought you played Ocarina of Time?

Oh, and I hope that:

"Most heroes in games do receive help I admit"

wasn't replying to anything I said. Because I didn't try to make that point at all.

I also know that last part. Which is why you're wrong.

By this point you've seen most of the game. How do you not understand how dire the situation really is?

Even when Zelda tells Link to get his hands on the Master Sword, she makes it clear that with the Triforce of Power, they still cannot kill him. The goal with this blade at that point is to weaken him enough to imprison him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's not the same thing and his resistance didn't stop him from turning into a wolf either. Lots of things effected him like say Zant who effortlessly beat him early on in the game. Link hasn't shown any resistance to any energy attacks or energies against him.

The Master Sword increased his resistence, Quanchi. It turned him back and prevented him from transforming in the Twilight Realm. The thing is that you keep using Link at his weakest when you should know darn well he gets stronger and better as the game goes on.

One attack he might shrug off but two or three doubtful and you have to worry about the tentacles also. Link hasn't shown he can resist plain old lame plants who attack him so Mother is really going to hurt him.

Why would he need to show resistence to plants when he has shown resistance to axes? Link hasn't shwn a vulnerability, either, so I don't see why you bring this up.

The armor is powered by magic which is taken away. The armor isn't powered by money it's a gameplay mechanic.

If you're disallowing only Link's gameplay, that's a double standard. We can just use cutscenes, then, where all it takes to kill Mother is a teeny weeny little knife.

It is applicable. Link beat him but early on Zant dominated him. So they are 1-1 against each other.

Key phrase: Early on. Link gets stronger and better over the games, and by the time he fought Zant for real, he was stronger than Zant and better than Zant.

You can't say it's ever harmed anyone nor can you say the creators intended on Link being unable to be hurt by these scenes by 20,000 falls. Come on no one buys this argument not even for a second.

By this logic Mother can't win since she's never killed anyone. Come on. But if you insist on this, I hope you realize that you are saying that anyone in Twilight Princess could survive that cannon, so everyone in Twilight Princess is superhumanly durable.

We see Link gets hurt bigtime or dies if he falls. If he was unable to be hurt by falling great heights then why put it in the game at all ?

Because if he fell off of the City, there's no telling where he'd land and might be unable to reach the cannon. Easier to just have him start again.

Irl being heavy does play a factor in strength. I mean I can't lift as much at 165 say as I can at 185. This should be common sense that meatier people on average are stronger than twerps. Someone might be naturally strong but that person can always lift more when they weigh more.

So putting on heavy boots does make people stronger. Gotcha. Though you are doing is backwards. Heavy people aren't strong, but strong people are usually heavy. Stronger people have more muscle, which weighs a lot. Fat people weigh a lot, but don't have much muscle.

What evidence am i refusing to give ?

All of it. Name a claim, you haven't posted evidence for it.

Strength doesn't always equal victor. You do realize this right ? Or in your world does stronger mean auto win ?

Of course, but Link's strength makes it more likely that his first blow is fatal. And if Mother isn't strong enough to hurt him, she's out of luck.

Dorf can transform yes but when he needs to resist injuries or get freakishly stronger in any form he needs to access the power triforce.

Nah. See, according to you, if the Triforce isn't glowing, Ganondorf isn't using it. But that's not true. There are several times when Ganondorf does something without the glow, or does nothing with the glow. It's known that the Triforce of Power is passive, not active, or else it's active all the time.

Link can swipe at the Mother because she takes oodles and oodles of damage she isn't getting one shotted nor does Link one shot any bosses in his own game.

Mortal Draw, though. Or, if you don't want to use gameplay mechanics, tiny knife.

Is Bo super strong iyo?

Yes.

Link is strong enough to damage the bosses or use the boots to give him the weight needed to perform feats. Yes, yes we have already covered this.

Yeah, and why can't Link just clawshot over to her stab her with his super boot strength?

Link is strong enough to hurt her just like she is strong enough to hurt him.

Evidence shows she isn't, though.

When has Link killed any boss in one move or when was the Mother killed in one move ?

Armoghoma can be killed in one hit, and Mother was killed in one hit by a tiny knife in non-gameplay mechanics cutscene.

The tentacles are busy attacking him his spin attack could hit them but the tentacles are also hitting him. She is sitting back and casting berserk to which he swings senselessly then dies.

As soon as Link uses the Great Spin Attack every single tentacle will be chopped in two. Link resists the berserk and kills Mother.

He turned into a wolf and need Midna's aid and he also was easily beaten by Zant and resisted nothing. He can't resist Zant's offensive attacks nor can he resist the Mother's.

All in the past. None of that phases him now that he's improved.

Fine then I allowed dorf and Link's feat but it's not impressive because dorf isn't super strong unless tapping into it.

How do you know he wasn't?

I am not making a personal attack you know how I feel.

And saying that is a personal attack.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So by this logic let's say gladiator from marvel comics exiles loses to link because he didn't beat anyone. Worst logic I ever heard.

The kind of feats Mother does not have?

Originally posted by The Scenario
The Master Sword increased his resistence, Quanchi. It turned him back and prevented him from transforming in the Twilight Realm. The thing is that you keep using Link at his weakest when you should know darn well he gets stronger and better as the game goes on.

Why would he need to show resistence to plants when he has shown resistance to axes? Link hasn't shwn a vulnerability, either, so I don't see why you bring this up.

If you're disallowing only Link's gameplay, that's a double standard. We can just use cutscenes, then, where all it takes to kill Mother is a teeny weeny little knife.

Key phrase: Early on. Link gets stronger and better over the games, and by the time he fought Zant for real, he was stronger than Zant and better than Zant.

By this logic Mother can't win since she's never killed anyone. Come on. But if you insist on this, I hope you realize that you are saying that anyone in Twilight Princess could survive that cannon, so everyone in Twilight Princess is superhumanly durable.

Because if he fell off of the City, there's no telling where he'd land and might be unable to reach the cannon. Easier to just have him start again.

So putting on heavy boots does make people stronger. Gotcha. Though you are doing is backwards. Heavy people aren't strong, but strong people are usually heavy. Stronger people have more muscle, which weighs a lot. Fat people weigh a lot, but don't have much muscle.

All of it. Name a claim, you haven't posted evidence for it.

Of course, but Link's strength makes it more likely that his first blow is fatal. And if Mother isn't strong enough to hurt him, she's out of luck.

Nah. See, according to you, if the Triforce isn't glowing, Ganondorf isn't using it. But that's not true. There are several times when Ganondorf does something without the glow, or does nothing with the glow. It's known that the Triforce of Power is passive, not active, or else it's active all the time.

Mortal Draw, though. Or, if you don't want to use gameplay mechanics, tiny knife.

Yes.

Yeah, and why can't Link just clawshot over to her stab her with his super boot strength?

Evidence shows she isn't, though.

Armoghoma can be killed in one hit, and Mother was killed in one hit by a tiny knife in non-gameplay mechanics cutscene.

As soon as Link uses the Great Spin Attack every single tentacle will be chopped in two. Link resists the berserk and kills Mother.

All in the past. None of that phases him now that he's improved.

How do you know he wasn't?

And saying that is a personal attack.

Link isn't immaune to xaes he shurged off one blow. Now trying to say axes can't hurt him is just asinine. Like I said someone shrugging off a punch irl doesn't mean all punches can't hurt you. You need to think about this realistically.

I am allowing it. It's powered by magic so the armor is rendered useless by draining the magic of it temporarily.

A knife after you beat her ass for a boss battle. You don't just walk up and toss a knife. If I beat someone up with 3 people and use a pillow to kill them afterwards we don't ignore the beat down prior to the smother and assume all I need is a pillow.

Link doesn't get stronger as the game goes along. Not by a considerable difference sure his experiences help him become more skilled and smarter but he doesn't just change dramatically and become super strong as the game progresses.

Zant isn't strong so what does him being stronger than zant have to do with anything ? It doesn't. Zant uses magical abilities so strength has nothing to do with his arsenal.

The cannon wasn't meant to kill anyone in the game anyone can survive it. You try and pretend it's a feat for Link despite it's actual portrayal in the game.

No, because he can't fall great distances and live. The cannon isn't designed to kill anyone.

In this game the boots give the wearer the weight needed against them which is also a secret the gorons would have no respect for. Strength for strength they >>>>Link without the boots.

Heavier people are stronger than skinnier people. Same person as stronger with more weight than skinnier. Don't compare fat to muscular compare yourself at a certain body weight to yourself at a certain body weight. I am really good at this debating thing, eh ?

I don't post videos see for people who don't play the games they need it because they are ignorant to the actual game.

What boss can Link kill with one blow ?

Yes, true but when it's active he is drawing the necessary power to overcome the obstacles in front of him which he did twice.

Mortal draw then he dies. There was a fight that happened before tiny knife. Context.

Based on what ? Him fleeing from a wolf or stopping goats ?

He can but he is getting attacked while he does so. Link is getting pummeled by multiple tentacles.

What enemy in zelda can't hurt link due to not being strong enough ? Give me an enemy so by your rational anything in zelda and everything is stronger than mother from the lowliest of enemies, eight ?

Which boss was that ?

Link hasn't shown an ability to resist an enemy attack so why this one ? You can't just cleave the tentacles in two that easily. I have no idea what game you are thinking about here.

Based on ?

Because only time he was ever this strong is when he tapped into it.

That's my opinion. I am not saying it again just drop it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It increased it. Increasing resistance also doesn't equal total immunity.

But Mother has never peirced a resistance, so she can't peirce Link's.

Link isn't immaune to xaes he shurged off one blow. Now trying to say axes can't hurt him is just asinine. Like I said someone shrugging off a punch irl doesn't mean all punches can't hurt you. You need to think about this realistically.

Only if he was hit by a stronger person with that axe. I'm saying that if Link can take a punch, a poke won't bother him. Mother = poke.

I am allowing it. It's powered by magic so the armor is rendered useless by draining the magic of it temporarily.

So you're changing the rules to let Mother win? Great.

A knife after you beat her ass for a boss battle. You don't just walk up and toss a knife. If I beat someone up with 3 people and use a pillow to kill them afterwards we don't ignore the beat down prior to the smother and assume all I need is a pillow.

But the battle is gameplay mechanics, which you won't let me use. So it's only fair that you don't use them, either. Mother was killed in cutscene by a tiny knife. And you could kill someone with a pillow without beating them first, same with a knife.

Link doesn't get stronger as the game goes along. Not by a considerable difference sure his experiences help him become more skilled and smarter but he doesn't just change dramatically and become super strong as the game progresses.

Well, yeah, he started off super strong. But if you don't see Link getting better, you're missing the point of Zelda. It's a classic story, the farmboy becoming a great hero and defeating the evil. That's how Link is portrayed: constantly improving.

Zant isn't strong so what does him being stronger than zant have to do with anything ? It doesn't. Zant uses magical abilities so strength has nothing to do with his arsenal.

I said stronger and better, not just stronger. And I'm not talking about physical strength, either. Link won, so by that point he's better than Zant. And he just kept improving.

The cannon wasn't meant to kill anyone in the game anyone can survive it. You try and pretend it's a feat for Link despite it's actual portrayal in the game.

'K, you now believe every person in Hyrule can survive a sky cannon despite it being made for BIRDS. Everyone in Hyrule is superhuman now.

No, because he can't fall great distances and live. The cannon isn't designed to kill anyone.

Roller coasters aren't meant to kill anyone, but that doesn't stop them, does it? You're still arguing that everyone in Hyrule is superhuman.

In this game the boots give the wearer the weight needed against them which is also a secret the gorons would have no respect for. Strength for strength they >>>>Link without the boots.

Nothing to do with strength, it's all about weight. Once Link has the weight, his natural strength is above a Goron.

Heavier people are stronger than skinnier people. Same person as stronger with more weight than skinnier. Don't compare fat to muscular compare yourself at a certain body weight to yourself at a certain body weight. I am really good at this debating thing, eh ?

No, you're still not getting it. Do you really think a fat guy who never works out can lift more than a skinny weightlifter? If a fat guy lost weight and gained some muscles he'd be stronger and lighter.

I don't post videos see for people who don't play the games they need it because they are ignorant to the actual game.

You said you would post scan in the comic forum. Why won't you post videos here? It's the same thing.

What boss can Link kill with one blow ?

Ball and Chain dude can go down in one hit if you do it right.

Yes, true but when it's active he is drawing the necessary power to overcome the obstacles in front of him which he did twice.

And he doesn't do it more often than he does. How do you know doesn't just keep it active?

Mortal draw then he dies. There was a fight that happened before tiny knife. Context.

Doesn't need Mortal Draw to kill Mother. The fight was gameplay, whiich you aren't letting me use.

Based on what ? Him fleeing from a wolf or stopping goats ?

Beating a Goron.

He can but he is getting attacked while he does so. Link is getting pummeled by multiple tentacles.

He cuts them all apart with one spin attack.

What enemy in zelda can't hurt link due to not being strong enough ? Give me an enemy so by your rational anything in zelda and everything is stronger than mother from the lowliest of enemies, eight ?

In cutscene, King Bulblin. You won't let me use gameplay anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Which boss was that ?

Spider.

Link hasn't shown an ability to resist an enemy attack so why this one ? You can't just cleave the tentacles in two that easily. I have no idea what game you are thinking about here.

Yes, he has with King Bulblin. What durability feats do the tentacles have?

Based on ?

Based on him destroying Zant and none of it phasing him, obviously.

Because only time he was ever this strong is when he tapped into it.

Not even. Remember the Sage he killed while it wasn't glowing?

That's my opinion. I am not saying it again just drop it.

Whatever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's an inconsistency in the game with bosses the creators obviously weren't trying to portray him as being able to lift 300 tons or what not. You need to realize this isn't how he is portrayed or scenes with him coraling an out of control horse would make no sense because he can lift a trillion tons....amirite ?

Stopping a goat or so also would be absolutely nothing to someone who can lift multiple tons. If your reasoning holds up why does he struggle to wield the ball and chain he should be able to effortlessly toss it with three fingers based on his super strength.

Anyone who comes away from this game and attaches meaningless numbers to boss battles and ignores how characters are portrayed during the actual story just don't or cannot comprehend the creators intent.

Uhm Link didn't fight anyone even close to Mother save Dorf who I also feel would fall drastically short against her. Link's boss fights are kinda lame by comparison and rarely is he fighting against an overwhelming force at any given time.

When has Link taken on anyone like the mother with the power behind her or the abilities who has shown to be table to take on a party of four along with ancient tevinter weapons you can bring to bear against her.

Again claiming Bo is super strong or Link while they have to tense up to stop what a running goat and need boots to take on anything which outweighs them is just plain ridiculous. According to you everyone in zelda is just some super strong stud and let's ignore everything else in the game. The feats it's all about the feats.

Times in the game that Link shows above normal strength= 9. Inconsistent? No. Do these 9 different occurrences mean he's stronger then a normal person? Yes. Also ''Answer the question please quit avoiding actual specifics.'' If Link isnt portrayed to be strong and is of human strength, for the 4th time asking explain how he is able to knock that ice mass back. You not answering doesnt make the question disappear.

''You've gotten a sight stronger in the short time you've been gone.'' -Bo after his sumo match, 2h into the game. TfoC, as I said earlier, makes Link stronger and stronger. Proven in a few games now. Moves like that for gameplay, proven as he can swing it over his head and throw it a far distance with enough force to shatter walls of ice <- things he'd be unable to do if he wasn't strong. Keep in mind the thing must weigh a ton which means even when you try to call him out on this youre admitting he's above human strength~

9 instances has Link being above human strength. If Link wasnt portrayed to be strong he wouldnt have a single strength feat :/

Big pics but meh. Like Mother they dont move and use other methods to reach distances. Unlike Mother theyre far larger with a longer reach. And you cant claim shes above Ganon with your word alone. What powers and abilities? Youve failed to mention a single one besides ''she can take on four at a time'' and lose.

Never claimed Bo was super strong now did I? I said he's of sumo/weightlifters build so is naturally a strong human, who Link bested in a contest of strength. Yeah no, the goat was at the start before the TfoC kicked in ie before Bo said ^that quote. Haha wow the only human like beings ive, and anyone here has said are super strong are Link and Dorf. What have you been reading? Fine, feats it is:
-Link beats Bo in a strength match. Bo is a strong human.
-Link throws Goron's over his shoulder. Boots cant lift things.
-Then beats Goron's in sumo. Boots can't push things.
-Hurls Dangoro behind him. Boots cant throw things.
-Trips over Fyrus by yanking his chains. Boots can't hold things.
-Swings and throws the Ball and Chain with force. No human can throw that weight with the force to shatter ice walls.
-Lifts some chandeliers. Large chandeliers.
-Knocks back a 3 story ice mass. 3 story ice mass is self explanatory.
-Link beats Dorf in their clash. Dorf at his weakest in game broke chains that no human can.
Taking away youre [and look around, its only you] view that boots make him strong with no evidence of proof to back it up, thats several instances so how is not portrayed as strong again?

Now to ask questions that you will most likely dance around to not answer: How can boots increase ones strength when its not stated to do so? How can said boots allow something the size of Dangoro to be over Link's head and not crush him? How can someone knock back that giant ice mass and still be considered human? What gives you the impression that Link isnt portrayed as strong? Do the Dragon Age warriors have any strength feats? Does Mother have any feats at all and what does she hope to to do beat Link? I'll be waiting.

Originally posted by The Scenario
But Mother has never peirced a resistance, so she can't peirce Link's.

Only if he was hit by a stronger person with that axe. I'm saying that if Link can take a punch, a poke won't bother him. Mother = poke.

So you're changing the rules to let Mother win? Great.

But the battle is gameplay mechanics, which you won't let me use. So it's only fair that you don't use them, either. Mother was killed in cutscene by a tiny knife. And you could kill someone with a pillow without beating them first, same with a knife.

Well, yeah, he started off super strong. But if you don't see Link getting better, you're missing the point of Zelda. It's a classic story, the farmboy becoming a great hero and defeating the evil. That's how Link is portrayed: constantly improving.

I said stronger and better, not just stronger. And I'm not talking about physical strength, either. Link won, so by that point he's better than Zant. And he just kept improving.

'K, you now believe every person in Hyrule can survive a sky cannon despite it being made for BIRDS. Everyone in Hyrule is superhuman now.

Roller coasters aren't meant to kill anyone, but that doesn't stop them, does it? You're still arguing that everyone in Hyrule is superhuman.

Nothing to do with strength, it's all about weight. Once Link has the weight, his natural strength is above a Goron.

No, you're still not getting it. Do you really think a fat guy who never works out can lift more than a skinny weightlifter? If a fat guy lost weight and gained some muscles he'd be stronger and lighter.

You said you would post scan in the comic forum. Why won't you post videos here? It's the same thing.

Ball and Chain dude can go down in one hit if you do it right.

And he doesn't do it more often than he does. How do you know doesn't just keep it active?

Doesn't need Mortal Draw to kill Mother. The fight was gameplay, whiich you aren't letting me use.

Beating a Goron.

He cuts them all apart with one spin attack.

In cutscene, King Bulblin. You won't let me use gameplay anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Spider.

Yes, he has with King Bulblin. What durability feats do the tentacles have?

Based on him destroying Zant and none of it phasing him, obviously.

Not even. Remember the Sage he killed while it wasn't glowing?

Whatever.

That was one attack. One attack just like my punch example you can't claim 100 percent immunity especially when anyone in tp can hurt him and easily. The Mother is a force in this game and someone who can take on and kill four competent party members with a lot more versatility and abilities than Link.

No, I am not changing the rules it affects magic which is what powers his armor.

What haven't I let you use ? The Mother is beatable only after weakening her just like smothering someone or catching them unaware That's the point. Yes, a tiny knife to Link can also kill him. You just don't get it or maybe don't want to as it hurts your case.

Link never started off super strong or stopping a goat would never ever be considered an issue.

Link won eventually but only due to aid and the fact he's a hero and has to win. I give him his due to eventually beating Zant but the guy wasn't impressive anyways to begin with.

Yes, I feel everyone can survive because this was not designed as a superhuman feat nor close to it at all in the game. You take feats out of context and put on fanboy glasses.

Rollercoasters are completely different than fantasy feats in videogames. The ride was built not kill anyone. It's a fantasy game and obviously not realistic this ride. I mean most of the stuff isn't realistic at all yet you continually try to make the claims it is.

I already explained weight and strength go hand in hand which is obvious in the case with link. Without the weight he doesn't have the strength to do anything to a goron.

No, we aren't comparing fat guys to weight lifters were are comparing what YOU ARE CAPABLE OF weighing more as opposed to weighing less. It's common sense if you weigh more you can lift more. There is no comparing fat people to weight lifters. You know I am right once again.

I don't have sound and it's different. I don't search youtube for vids.

Gameplay mechanic and he's really not a boss. Bosses are at the end of the levels.

If it was just active it wouldn't have lit up when he tried activating or using it against Link it just failed him.

I allowed this but at the same time he dies if he gets hit.

Link hasn't shown this type of power with the spin attack and the Mother takes a lot more than a spin attack from a sword any old hyrule knight can easily parry away.

Link's hurt just not effected. Link shrugging an attack off doesn't mean his axe cannot hurt him. You argue so strangely it doesn't make any sense sometimes. Saying this axe can't hurt him is ridiculous and against everything in the game.

Ok, what did you say about the spider again...I forgot ?

Getting hit and tanking blunt force trauma doesn't prove durability. Do you know the difference ?

Zant can still hurt him. Link beat him due to skill not because zant's attacks cannot effect him.

He powered up after it glowed. He needs to power up to become more powerful.

K.

So Link's feet weighing more makes his arms stronger?

Yeah. Don't you understand Quan-Tum Fizziks?

Originally posted by NemeBro
So Link's feet weighing more makes his arms stronger?

Common sense. It is well proven that athletes always wear ankle weights when when they work on their upper body in weight lifting.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Times in the game that Link shows above normal strength= 9. Inconsistent? No. Do these 9 different occurrences mean he's stronger then a normal person? Yes. Also ''Answer the question please quit avoiding actual specifics.'' If Link isnt portrayed to be strong and is of human strength, for the 4th time asking explain how he is able to knock that ice mass back. You not answering doesnt make the question disappear.

''You've gotten a sight stronger in the short time you've been gone.'' -Bo after his sumo match, 2h into the game. TfoC, as I said earlier, makes Link stronger and stronger. Proven in a few games now. Moves like that for gameplay, proven as he can swing it over his head and throw it a far distance with enough force to shatter walls of ice <- things he'd be unable to do if he wasn't strong. Keep in mind the thing must weigh a ton which means even when you try to call him out on this youre admitting he's above human strength~

9 instances has Link being above human strength. If Link wasnt portrayed to be strong he wouldnt have a single strength feat :/

Big pics but meh. Like Mother they dont move and use other methods to reach distances. Unlike Mother theyre far larger with a longer reach. And you cant claim shes above Ganon with your word alone. What powers and abilities? Youve failed to mention a single one besides ''she can take on four at a time'' and lose.

Never claimed Bo was super strong now did I? I said he's of sumo/weightlifters build so is naturally a strong human, who Link bested in a contest of strength. Yeah no, the goat was at the start before the TfoC kicked in ie before Bo said ^that quote. Haha wow the only human like beings ive, and anyone here has said are super strong are Link and Dorf. What have you been reading? Fine, feats it is:
-Link beats Bo in a strength match. Bo is a strong human.
-Link throws Goron's over his shoulder. Boots cant lift things.
-Then beats Goron's in sumo. Boots can't push things.
-Hurls Dangoro behind him. Boots cant throw things.
-Trips over Fyrus by yanking his chains. Boots can't hold things.
-Swings and throws the Ball and Chain with force. No human can throw that weight with the force to shatter ice walls.
-Lifts some chandeliers. Large chandeliers.
-Knocks back a 3 story ice mass. 3 story ice mass is self explanatory.
-Link beats Dorf in their clash. Dorf at his weakest in game broke chains that no human can.
Taking away youre [and look around, its only you] view that boots make him strong with no evidence of proof to back it up, thats several instances so how is not portrayed as strong again?

Now to ask questions that you will most likely dance around to not answer: How can boots increase ones strength when its not stated to do so? How can said boots allow something the size of Dangoro to be over Link's head and not crush him? How can someone knock back that giant ice mass and still be considered human? What gives you the impression that Link isnt portrayed as strong? Do the Dragon Age warriors have any strength feats? Does Mother have any feats at all and what does she hope to to do beat Link? I'll be waiting.

We don't know how much it weighs. That's speculative. The foe who wields the ball and chain uses one arm and wields it easier while Link struggles to use it with both arms. When Link wields this he can't dodge hardly anything and is a sitting target.

Link isn't strong enough on his own to lift multiple tons of weight. It's obvious the gameplay is inconsistent and like the example from the comic writer the creators just huge bigger than life threats without having a real idea of how much it weighs or anything.

The creatures you showed hardly have any abilities. The Mother can strike at party members with attacks that rob them of their magical mama or cause them to swing wildly for considerable lengths of time. Her tentacles also attack you the entire time until you destroy them.

Link beat him combined with strength which is comparable but with skill also. If he wasn't comparable he'd easily toss him aside but he cannot because they are in same strength league.

-Beats him due to skill also. Still in same strength tier.
-Boots give him weight to achieve feat so without the weight the provide him he isn't strong enough to even push one out of the ring.
-Link can't beat him without the boots on. 🙂
-Another feat Link cannot accomplish without the necessary weight the boots allow him. Hmmm so far all strength feats are gear induced.
-Needs boots again he can't do anything to him without the boots.
-Uses ball and chain with both arms while the enemy did so with one arm. Link also can barely move and the feats don't have to make perfect logical sense irl nor do they ever irl. Quit acting as if it fits together perfectly and this isn't some fantasy game.
-Ok......not that impressive.
-Fantasy game where most enemies in these types of games knock back bigger than life foes which don't replace how the character is portrayed.
Dorf only showed super strength when he actively used it he did not when locked in combat.
-It's gear which gives him the necessary weight for the feats to be possible if he was super strong he wouldn't need them.

I've already explained this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wait a minute. Did you just claim the Mother can't pierce anyone. So if something doesn't happen in a video then ignore everything else. Ignore the fact the Architect couldn't beat her alone and let's just pretend she's so weak she can't hurt anyone but piranha plants can hurt Link. This is really getting absurd.

No. I did not, in fact, say anything of the sort. Please stop strawmanning me. I said that Mother's whatever it is that makes people swing wildly has never come up against anyone with mental resistance like Link. Since she's never peirced a mental resistance, she can't peirce Link's, and thus, Link does not swing wildly.

That was one attack. One attack just like my punch example you can't claim 100 percent immunity especially when anyone in tp can hurt him and easily. The Mother is a force in this game and someone who can take on and kill four competent party members with a lot more versatility and abilities than Link.

If someone resists punches easily, a poke won't hurt them. You haven't proven that Mother has the metaphorical punch. Oh, and in canon, Mother did not kill that party, and the only area where they're really more versatile than Link is in magic. Link's strength and skill even that out and more.

No, I am not changing the rules it affects magic which is what powers his armor.

The armor is powered by money, not mana.

What haven't I let you use ? The Mother is beatable only after weakening her just like smothering someone or catching them unaware That's the point. Yes, a tiny knife to Link can also kill him. You just don't get it or maybe don't want to as it hurts your case.

You haven't let me use Link's obvious strength, for one. And I don't think a tiny knife would hurt Link if a normal human was weilding it, since he takes a sky cannon without damage, and he wears chainmail. The fact remain that Link has something much bigger and better than a knife, and he is perfectly capable of reaching the Mother quickly with the clawshot.

Link never started off super strong or stopping a goat would never ever be considered an issue.

Stopping the goat never was an issue. They just didn't want to lose valuable livestock.

Link won eventually but only due to aid and the fact he's a hero and has to win. I give him his due to eventually beating Zant but the guy wasn't impressive anyways to begin with.

Zant is superior to the Mother in literally every way imaginable. Including looks and it is hard to lose to Zant there.

Yes, I feel everyone can survive because this was not designed as a superhuman feat nor close to it at all in the game. You take feats out of context and put on fanboy glasses.

'K, so you do believe that everyone in hyrule has superhuman durability. This then raises the strength level of the entire 'verse, since hurting them would require a lot of force.

Rollercoasters are completely different than fantasy feats in videogames. The ride was built not kill anyone. It's a fantasy game and obviously not realistic this ride. I mean most of the stuff isn't realistic at all yet you continually try to make the claims it is.

It is somewhat realistic if you consider that the cannon was designed not to kill BIRDS. Link was the only human to ever use it, and he is superhuman, so you assuming that any average Joe would also survive is laughable. I, personally, believe it would kill anyone who can't fly, unless they had super durability like Link does.

I already explained weight and strength go hand in hand which is obvious in the case with link. Without the weight he doesn't have the strength to do anything to a goron.

So putting on weights immediately makes people stronger as long as they are wearing them. True or false?

No, we aren't comparing fat guys to weight lifters were are comparing what YOU ARE CAPABLE OF weighing more as opposed to weighing less. It's common sense if you weigh more you can lift more. There is no comparing fat people to weight lifters. You know I am right once again.

Let's say I'm fat. Most of my weight is just fat and water, not muscle. So let's say I start working out. Since it's exercise I lose weight, and since I'm building muscle I'm getting stronger. Thus, I have gotten stronger by becoming lighter. Then, let's say I put some weights on my feet. Since my arm muscles aren't really affected by this, my arm strength stays the same. Thus I have gained artificial weight but stayed just as strong as I was before. Thus you are so completely, utterly wrong, that there is a very real risk that you will never be right again.

I don't have sound and it's different. I don't search youtube for vids.

Refusing to back up your claims is the same as saying you forfiet, since you cannot debate without evidence.

Gameplay mechanic and he's really not a boss. Bosses are at the end of the levels.

If you are disallowing gameplay again, I must point out that the wildly swinging and magic draining that the Mother does are both gameplay. You asked what Link could kill in one hit, and I told you. Darkhammer gives you the Ball and Chain, so he counts.

If it was just active it wouldn't have lit up when he tried activating or using it against Link it just failed him.

That was the Master Sword canceling it out, not Ganondorf using it. If you watch, Ganondorf stands up with a sword in his heart before it ever starts glowing.

I allowed this but at the same time he dies if he gets hit.

Prove this.

Link hasn't shown this type of power with the spin attack and the Mother takes a lot more than a spin attack from a sword any old hyrule knight can easily parry away.

What do you mean, Link hasn't shown that much power? Well, how much power does it take, then? With Link's strength, he's easily hindreds of times stronger than any Dragon Age character, so his attacks would do much, much more damage.

Link's hurt just not effected. Link shrugging an attack off doesn't mean his axe cannot hurt him. You argue so strangely it doesn't make any sense sometimes. Saying this axe can't hurt him is ridiculous and against everything in the game.

You're arguing against a cutscene. You saw the video, and you saw that axe fail to harm Link at all. Saying the axe can hurt him goes against a canon cutscene.

Ok, what did you say about the spider again...I forgot ?

Link can kill the spider boss in one hit. Technically

Getting hit and tanking blunt force trauma doesn't prove durability. Do you know the difference ?

Yes it does,, do you not know what durability is? It means how much a character can take without damage. Link has shown no damage against both a giant axe and a sky cannon. Mother's tentacles use blunt force, too.

Zant can still hurt him. Link beat him due to skill not because zant's attacks cannot effect him.

I never said they couldn't. I said that Link won because he was just better.

He powered up after it glowed. He needs to power up to become more powerful.

And he stayed powered up forever after that, or until the Master Sword hit him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Stronger than a normal person, absolutely. Most of the heroes in these games are but I never said he was physically weak I just feel he wasn't physically on a different level in his own game to the degrees most put him at on here by inconsistent gameplay and random speculative numbers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't know how much it weighs. That's speculative. The foe who wields the ball and chain uses one arm and wields it easier while Link struggles to use it with both arms. When Link wields this he can't dodge hardly anything and is a sitting target.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link isn't strong enough on his own to lift multiple tons of weight. It's obvious the gameplay is inconsistent and like the example from the comic writer the creators just huge bigger than life threats without having a real idea of how much it weighs or anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The creatures you showed hardly have any abilities. The Mother can strike at party members with attacks that rob them of their magical mama or cause them to swing wildly for considerable lengths of time. Her tentacles also attack you the entire time until you destroy them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link beat him combined with strength which is comparable but with skill also. If he wasn't comparable he'd easily toss him aside but he cannot because they are in same strength league.

-Beats him due to skill also. Still in same strength tier.
-Boots give him weight to achieve feat so without the weight the provide him he isn't strong enough to even push one out of the ring.
-Link can't beat him without the boots on. 🙂
-Another feat Link cannot accomplish without the necessary weight the boots allow him. Hmmm so far all strength feats are gear induced.
-Needs boots again he can't do anything to him without the boots.
-Uses ball and chain with both arms while the enemy did so with one arm. Link also can barely move and the feats don't have to make perfect logical sense irl nor do they ever irl. Quit acting as if it fits together perfectly and this isn't some fantasy game.
-Ok......not that impressive.
-Fantasy game where most enemies in these types of games knock back bigger than life foes which don't replace how the character is portrayed.
Dorf only showed super strength when he actively used it he did not when locked in combat.
-It's gear which gives him the necessary weight for the feats to be possible if he was super strong he wouldn't need them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I've already explained this.

Originally posted by The Scenario
No. I did not, in fact, say anything of the sort. Please stop strawmanning me. I said that Mother's whatever it is that makes people swing wildly has never come up against anyone with mental resistance like Link. Since she's never peirced a mental resistance, she can't peirce Link's, and thus, Link does not swing wildly.

If someone resists punches easily, a poke won't hurt them. You haven't proven that Mother has the metaphorical punch. Oh, and in canon, Mother did not kill that party, and the only area where they're really more versatile than Link is in magic. Link's strength and skill even that out and more.

The armor is powered by money, not mana.

You haven't let me use Link's obvious strength, for one. And I don't think a tiny knife would hurt Link if a normal human was weilding it, since he takes a sky cannon without damage, and he wears chainmail. The fact remain that Link has something much bigger and better than a knife, and he is perfectly capable of reaching the Mother quickly with the clawshot.

Stopping the goat never was an issue. They just didn't want to lose valuable livestock.

Zant is superior to the Mother in literally every way imaginable. Including looks and it is hard to lose to Zant there.

'K, so you do believe that everyone in hyrule has superhuman durability. This then raises the strength level of the entire 'verse, since hurting them would require a lot of force.

It is somewhat realistic if you consider that the cannon was designed not to kill BIRDS. Link was the only human to ever use it, and he is superhuman, so you assuming that any average Joe would also survive is laughable. I, personally, believe it would kill anyone who can't fly, unless they had super durability like Link does.

So putting on weights immediately makes people stronger as long as they are wearing them. True or false?

Let's say I'm fat. Most of my weight is just fat and water, not muscle. So let's say I start working out. Since it's exercise I lose weight, and since I'm building muscle I'm getting stronger. Thus, I have gotten stronger by becoming lighter. Then, let's say I put some weights on my feet. Since my arm muscles aren't really affected by this, my arm strength stays the same. Thus I have gained artificial weight but stayed just as strong as I was before. Thus you are so completely, utterly wrong, that there is a very real risk that you will never be right again.

Refusing to back up your claims is the same as saying you forfiet, since you cannot debate without evidence.

If you are disallowing gameplay again, I must point out that the wildly swinging and magic draining that the Mother does are both gameplay. You asked what Link could kill in one hit, and I told you. Darkhammer gives you the Ball and Chain, so he counts.

That was the Master Sword canceling it out, not Ganondorf using it. If you watch, Ganondorf stands up with a sword in his heart before it ever starts glowing.

Prove this.

What do you mean, Link hasn't shown that much power? Well, how much power does it take, then? With Link's strength, he's easily hindreds of times stronger than any Dragon Age character, so his attacks would do much, much more damage.

You're arguing against a cutscene. You saw the video, and you saw that axe fail to harm Link at all. Saying the axe can hurt him goes against a canon cutscene.

Link can kill the spider boss in one hit. Technically

Yes it does,, do you not know what durability is? It means how much a character can take without damage. Link has shown no damage against both a giant axe and a sky cannon. Mother's tentacles use blunt force, too.

I never said they couldn't. I said that Link won because he was just better.

And he stayed powered up forever after that, or until the Master Sword hit him.

Tanking one strike isn't saying they can tank every strike. If you allow him to strike Link he takes damage. You try to create some absurd logic like Link can't be hurt by axe strikes which even a child could see through this line of horrible logic.

Link can't take the damage Mother can nor does he have what it takes to survive multiple tentacles lashing at him with Mother laying on attacks from a safe distance. Anyone in tp can hurt Link from the lowliest scrubs so he's in trouble. Yes, a party of four beats him but they'd maul Link as well especially if you give them the tevinter weapons to use against Link.

The armor is magical this is a gameplay mechanic but the spell targets the actual mana power or magic which is negated. I feel sorry for Link he has no chance.

When has Link displayed skin so tough it can resist being cut by knifes wielded by skilled adversaries ? I mean piranha plants can kill him. Please back up these claims of Link being unable to be hurt by even the lowliest grunts in zelda.

He can reach the mother but he is being attacked the entire time and she can tank a lot of damage whereas Link cannot. Big diff there, sport.

Yes, it was he has to use a certain technique to do so and him being super strong was never the point. he was strong enough if he was super strong he'd do so easily with one arm but guess what he was never portrayed as super strong.

Zant is nothing compared to the Mother he's comparable to a competent mage in dragon age imo but in zelda he's a big deal.

No, I believe the game isn't consistent with real life and surviving the cannons proves nothing. Only a fanboy would claim Link can survive dropping thousands of feet after playing through this game.

That's not very logical. The point is when you weigh more you can lift more and not the other way around you tried placing in specific factors which still don't change the issue by any means. More weight equals more strength.

Take it however you will I won't post youtube vids. Not my fault you don't play the games I take this as a forfeit from yourself. Please spell forfeit correctly you lose your point when you continue to misspell this word.

It's not a boss I said a boss so please get back to me when you don't throw a sub boss at me.

Yes, because he wasn't dead yet and needed to act quickly so he tried and failed. Pathetic.

In the game Link leaves himself open and when about to mortal draw he himself dies when hit.

Link isn't stronger than dragon age characters imo. Same class the guy struggles to stop goats and to deal with meatier characters without boots.

No he cannot.

Link recovered if he gets hit with the sharp part he bleeds and in gameplay gets hurt everytime he gets hit. Shrugging off an attack doesn't mean total immunity.

Link beat him eventually through help and more or less is better than zant. I will agree to that.

No, he did not. if he stayed powered up forever he wouldn't need to access it again against Link. gotcha.

Originally posted by BloodRain
To put it another way its several times he's shown strength that no human could possible have.

That'd go down to another weight issue as a light centre couldn't support a spinning weight thats.... wait no you don't believe in things on a sciency level. So ill hop to a basic way, the foe has an undetermined strength that could quite easily be stronger then Link.

Prove that its inconsistent and that Link's portrayed to be in the human boundaries.

....TPLink doesn't have any magic/mana 😐 and the tentacles pose little threat. Anything else?

-Ah so you admit that Link increased in strength from goat level to high human in the short time he was gone? This pattern continues.
-Added weight = increased strength, how? The Iron Boots aren't [b]portrayed to give Link super strength~
-Then throws it with force to break the walls of ice. The only way a normal person could do that is with explosives..
-Did I mention the chandeliers are 6m~ wide composed of metal? Peoples can struggle with 1m ones.
-See I knew you couldn't explain the ice mass as the only answer would say Link is powerful.
-Triforce stays active constantly proven in several games including TP which you've actually agreed to above^.
Nah, the Boots aren't portrayed to give him strength.

Really? Looks more like you hid from each question and substituted in nonsense. In fact you havnt answered how the boots increase his strength or how they can help when the weight is above him. And before you try the 'heavy things are naturally strong' that only counts for natural weight not added weight. Is why weightlifters dont wear a suit of armour the make them stronger.
And no the Dragon Age warriors dont have any feats meaning normal people can kill Mother. Oh and look, Mother has nothing to her name besides tentacles and some useless spells... No strength feats, no durability, no character portrayal, no reason to think she wins. [/B]

I agree his foe is stronger than Link. It's obvious he's bigger and stronger.

Stopping the goat, knocked down by snow beast, when he fights enemies he has to beat them due to skill and attacks he doesn't just overpower anyone, the fact he needs boots to compete with stronger characters, the horse scene, etc.

Magical armor and she can still make him swing wildly.

-The feats are inconsistent and most creators aren't trying to make sense of it it's fiction.
-It's quite simple he needs the added weight or else he cannot achieve the feats. If he could do so without the boots you'd have a point but as you see you don't.
-It's fantasy this doesn't override how he's portrayed in the game. -Boss fights against superior larger foes don't always translate into massive strength with speculative numbers to back up your case.
-Did I mention like the comic writer they just create something big without any real world implications for the character. Unlike real life fiction or fantasy doesn't have to add up. This should be apparent to all or so I thought.
-It's inconsistent and you are trying to override how he is portrayed. If he was this strong pulling a horse in would be not a struggle at all if he were this strong.
-Nah. If it was actively tapped into then dorf wouldn't have tried accessing it against Link because it would be a waste of time because he knew it was already accessed.

The boots are portrayed giving him the weight needed.

They increase his weight. Without increasing his weight Link cannot stop a goron or even push one around meaning he needs to increase his weight to do so. If he didn't then he wouldn't need the boots. This should be common sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think most fanatsy characters have better feats strength wise than regular humans. That really doesn't prove anything.