Originally posted by quanchi112
You just told me they are all the same dorfs when there are different timelines. If the timeline varies then there are different dorfs. They all don't have the same experiences and memories meaning there are different dorfs.
It's difficult to explain this without spoiling Ocarina of Time for you. Howver, that game is upwards of 12 years old and you've had ample time to complete it. I don't remember whether or not you ever did finish it, but whatever. At the end of Ocarina of Time, Zelda sent Link back in time to warn the King about Ganondorf, so he was arrested and Twilight Princess happened. This is known as the Child Timeline. The other timeline (Adult) doesn't matter for this thread, as it leads to Wind Waker (and that Ganondorf is in both the beggining and end of Ocarina of time.
So, Ganondorf appears in the beggining of Ocarina of Time, but before he got the Triforce he was arrested. He was executed and finally got the Triforce in Twilight Princess. The Ganondorf in the beginning of Ocarina of Time is the same one as the one in Twilight Princess, the only difference being that he is younger in Ocarina of Time. Same guy there, same Triforce of Power.
Video games don't have to make sense so please don't bring physics into this, sport. He can't contend with a single Goron under any circumstances without the boots meaning he needs them meaning he isn't strong enough to do so without them.
If you're ignoring physics again, then nothing really matters. What's holding everyone's atoms together, for example? Oh, right, the laws of physics. But regardless of that, you are still failing to grasp the difference between stopping a Goron and lifting a Goron. In order to stop it, Link must be prevented from moving, via weight, via the Heavy Boots and strength has little to do with it except holding the Goron. To lift a Goron, Link does not need any extra weight, as he is doing it through strength, picking it up and throwing it.
Bo could beat one as well with the boots he wasn't super strong either. This shouldn't be hard for you to grasp.
If Bo beat a Goron, he must be super strong. That's the only evidence, and it suggests that he is.
Ogres, archdemon, high dragon, golems, etc. They are all much stronger than a guy who can barely wield the ball and chain with two arms whereas the enemy who wields it easily with one arm.
1. Link weilds the Ball and Chain fine, and does it much faster and throws it farther than the boss. He just carries it awkwardly.
2. The boss does not weild the Ball and Chain easily at all. He literally cannot move move than a few feet, and has to rest after every throw. Link moves faster while holding it, throws it farther, throws it harder, recovers it faster, and does not need to rest. That argument holds no water.
If there are different timelines then there are different dorfs. You don't even understand what a different timeline means nor does anyone around here. If it's the same dorf then he should have all the memories of all previous zelda games as he has experienced them all which he hasn't hence different timelines.
Technically true, since you did not have the same experiences yesterday as you did today, right? So you're a different person as you experienced different things. That's the same exact thing with Ganondorf. The one in Ocarina of Time and the one in Twilight Princess are the same person, with Ocarina of Time being yesterday and Twilight Princess being today. Twilight Princess Ganondorf did in fact experience every part of Ocarina of Time up to Link drawing the Master Sword. In the Child Timeline, he was arrested before Link got the Master Sword, but that Ganondorf is the same guy in Twilight Princess. The only Ganondorf that has different experiences is Wind Waker Ganondorf, but he's the one that was after Link got the Master Sword.
To summarize: Twilight Princess Ganondorf is the same guy as in Ocarina of Time. He's only different from the Wind Waker guy, though they all share the same Triforce of Power.
I'm right like I always am. He isn't strong enough to stop them as he can't stop them without the boots. Blame it on gameplay mechanics.
That's wrong. He is strong enough to stop a Goron without the Heavy Boots, but he is not heavy enough. When Link is weighed down, he can't be moved by the Goron. Once the Goron is stopped, however, the extra weight is not needed and Link can pick it up and throw it.
Originally posted by mechagoombaThey make the feat possible. If he doesn't have them he cannot stop or even attempt to wrestle one he will simply get tossed out of the ring.
Quanchi how do boots give someone the strength to lift something?I dont recall it ever being stated in the game that they give him strength.
They just happen to be really heavy.So what makes you think they somehow improve his strength?
Bo knew how to defeat them as well and it wasn't because he was strong he had the necessary skill and the boots he wasn't some super strong stud either.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeWhen has he lifted a goron without the boots ?
XD. No Quan, no. We've already clarified that. He can in fact lift Gorons without his boots. What he cannot do is stop them when they are in motion. You know, because he is not as massive. Fizziks, son.
Originally posted by General KalieroThat doesn't change the fact in the game he can't contend with a goron without the boots. He can't even properly beat one in a shoving match without the boots.
quan, the old ruling still stands, unless games specifically negate specific aspects of physics, for the purpose of discussion here at KMC Earth-like physics are understood to apply. You are not allowed to ignore them simply because they don't suit your opinion.
Originally posted by The ScenarioI can't debate with you if you are going to bring oot into this. I told you time and time again I will go back to that game. I can't read any more of your posts unless you abandon all oot discussion.
It's difficult to explain this without spoiling Ocarina of Time for you. Howver, that game is upwards of 12 years old and you've had ample time to complete it. I don't remember whether or not you ever did finish it, but whatever. At the end of Ocarina of Time, Zelda sent Link back in time to warn the King about Ganondorf, so he was arrested and Twilight Princess happened. This is known as the Child Timeline. The other timeline (Adult) doesn't matter for this thread, as it leads to Wind Waker (and that Ganondorf is in both the beggining and end of Ocarina of time.
So, Ganondorf appears in the beggining of Ocarina of Time, but before he got the Triforce he was arrested. He was executed and finally got the Triforce in Twilight Princess. The Ganondorf in the beginning of Ocarina of Time is the same one as the one in Twilight Princess, the only difference being that he is younger in Ocarina of Time. Same guy there, same Triforce of Power.If you're ignoring physics again, then nothing really matters. What's holding everyone's atoms together, for example? Oh, right, the laws of physics. But regardless of that, you are still failing to grasp the difference between stopping a Goron and lifting a Goron. In order to stop it, Link must be prevented from moving, via weight, via the Heavy Boots and strength has little to do with it except holding the Goron. To lift a Goron, Link does not need any extra weight, as he is doing it through strength, picking it up and throwing it.
If Bo beat a Goron, he must be super strong. That's the only evidence, and it suggests that he is.
1. Link weilds the Ball and Chain fine, and does it much faster and throws it farther than the boss. He just carries it awkwardly.
2. The boss does not weild the Ball and Chain easily at all. He literally cannot move move than a few feet, and has to rest after every throw. Link moves faster while holding it, throws it farther, throws it harder, recovers it faster, and does not need to rest. That argument holds no water.
Technically true, since you did not have the same experiences yesterday as you did today, right? So you're a different person as you experienced different things. That's the same exact thing with Ganondorf. The one in Ocarina of Time and the one in Twilight Princess are the same person, with Ocarina of Time being yesterday and Twilight Princess being today. Twilight Princess Ganondorf did in fact experience every part of Ocarina of Time up to Link drawing the Master Sword. In the Child Timeline, he was arrested before Link got the Master Sword, but that Ganondorf is the same guy in Twilight Princess. The only Ganondorf that has different experiences is Wind Waker Ganondorf, but he's the one that was after Link got the Master Sword.
To summarize: Twilight Princess Ganondorf is the same guy as in Ocarina of Time. He's only different from the Wind Waker guy, though they all share the same Triforce of Power.
That's wrong. He is strong enough to stop a Goron without the Heavy Boots, but he is not heavy enough. When Link is weighed down, he can't be moved by the Goron. Once the Goron is stopped, however, the extra weight is not needed and Link can pick it up and throw it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I can't debate with you if you are going to bring oot into this. I told you time and time again I will go back to that game. I can't read any more of your posts unless you abandon all oot discussion.
Originally posted by The ScenarioOk, let's drop the whole timeline thing I don't want to debate oot at all until I complete it then we can rehash it.
If you want to discuss the Zelda Timeline, you have to discuss Ocarina of Time, as it the most important game timeline wise. You're the one that brought it up in the first place.
I brought up alternate timeline as as being different dorfs because an alternate timeline means alternate versions unless one character experiences everything from each timeline and carries with him or her all the memories of those said experiences.
That was my initial point and then like always it spun out of control. I take my part of blame for this but drop it for now and re engage in the debate leaving all zelda discussion outside of this game alone.
WARNING: THIS VIDEO IS NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY WORK SAFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTXJAN2UuVo&feature=related
3:10, we see the Mother killed by a tiny knife to the face. Truly pathetic. If Link just repeats that, he wins instantly.
Originally posted by The ScenarioYou can only do so after weakening her. You can't just throw a knife and kill her until you defeat and weaken her. If you throw a knife after weakening Link this would kill him as well.
WARNING: THIS VIDEO IS NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY WORK SAFEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTXJAN2UuVo&feature=related
3:10, we see the Mother killed by a tiny knife to the face. Truly pathetic. If Link just repeats that, he wins instantly.
Better, though still not worksafe, video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HYY-4Fg6_E
Mother solo'd without consumables. The player never comes close to dying, and the sword isn't even designed with the intent of smiting evil.
How is Mother supposed to be any danger to Link at all?