Originally posted by quanchi112
You can only do so after weakening her. You can't just throw a knife and kill her until you defeat and weaken her. If you throw a knife after weakening Link this would kill him as well.
Your bringing gameplay mechanics into something again, the "weakening" is irrelevant. She still gets killed by a knife/short sword.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Video games don't have to make sense so please don't bring physics into this, sport. He can't contend with a single Goron under any circumstances without the boots meaning he needs them meaning he isn't strong enough to do so without them.Bo could beat one as well with the boots he wasn't super strong either. This shouldn't be hard for you to grasp.
Ogres, archdemon, high dragon, golems, etc. They are all much stronger than a guy who can barely wield the ball and chain with two arms whereas the enemy who wields it easily with one arm.
If there are different timelines then there are different dorfs. You don't even understand what a different timeline means nor does anyone around here. If it's the same dorf then he should have all the memories of all previous zelda games as he has experienced them all which he hasn't hence different timelines.
They do if they follow it pretty well, like it does. Plus we usually go by physics unless toonforce is involved. The boots don't give strength unless its stated. Which they're not. So they don't. End of.
Boots = anchor. Now that Bo's at a weight that he cant be flicked back all he needs now is the strength to push [not lift] a 3 ton Goron. Keeping in mind that a strong person can push a 2 ton car, Bo pushing a 3 ton biped [note] is not that big a deal. Pushing a Goron back only needs him to be maybe 2, 4 times stronger then an average strong person =/
First are they 30+ tonners? More importantly who cares? For that to be relevant either they would need to be in the fight against Mother or the characters have been shown to by physically stronger then them. If neither [which I'm betting it is] then it doesn't prove that Mother can resist Link's strength.
Split timeline which split in OoT thus there are two different Ganon's for the two timelines. TP is directly after one of those timelines, so as of TP Ganon has been in that and OoT only. Seeing as what you just described is a liner timeline I doubt you understand how any of this works.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtYes, after being weakened. You can't just throw a knife at her and kill her you weaken her to the point of it and then she dies by something that would kill Link as well.
Your bringing gameplay mechanics into something again, the "weakening" is irrelevant. She still gets killed by a knife/short sword.
Originally posted by BloodRainBoots are still required for the feat so I could care less about you ignoring the fact Link isn't strong enough without the boots to even push one out of the ring.
They do if they follow it pretty well, like it does. Plus we usually go by physics unless toonforce is involved. The boots don't give strength unless its stated. Which they're not. So they don't. End of.Boots = anchor. Now that Bo's at a weight that he cant be flicked back all he needs now is the strength to push [not lift] a 3 ton Goron. Keeping in mind that a strong person can push a 2 ton car, Bo pushing a 3 ton biped [note] is not that big a deal. Pushing a Goron back only needs him to be maybe 2, 4 times stronger then an average strong person =/
First are they 30+ tonners? More importantly who cares? For that to be relevant either they would need to be in the fight against Mother or the characters have been shown to by physically stronger then them. If neither [which I'm betting it is] then it doesn't prove that Mother can resist Link's strength.
Split timeline which split in OoT thus there are two different Ganon's for the two timelines. TP is directly after one of those timelines, so as of TP Ganon has been in that and OoT only. Seeing as what you just described is a liner timeline I doubt you understand how any of this works.
Their weight is speculation it's always
funny to see people try to assign real numbers to someone or something in a videogame.
Link isn't strong hence his handling of the ball and chain like he does. Link also isn't stronger than any knight he's pitted against he isn't stronger than basically anyone he fights. Never once have I seen his strength decide the outcome of any fight it's always due to his skill and artifacts.
You just agreed with me about there being two different dorfs meaning there isn't one experiencing everything the same.
Whether it's linear or not is irrelevant the fact there are different dorfs with different memories means it isn't one guy experiencing everything.
Originally posted by General KalieroThe player in dragon age would also beat Link.
Better, though still not worksafe, video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HYY-4Fg6_E
Mother solo'd without consumables. The player never comes close to dying, and the sword isn't even designed with the intent of smiting evil.
How is Mother supposed to be any danger to Link at all?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, after being weakened. You can't just throw a knife at her and kill her you weaken her to the point of it and then she dies by something that would kill Link as well.
Well you can't just impale Ganondorf and kill him, either. You know, those four boss fights you just keep ignoring. That's a bit of a double standard if you think Ganondorf can just be impaled but the Mother can't just be stabbed.
Also, Link can take an axe to the face without any damage.
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Originally posted by The ScenarioYou do have to weaken dorf to impale him more often than not. But it's definitely doable.
Well you can't just impale Ganondorf and kill him, either. You know, those four boss fights you just keep ignoring. That's a bit of a double standard if you think Ganondorf can just be impaled but the Mother can't just be stabbed.Also, Link can take an axe to the face without any damage.
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The blunt end struck him backwards. The video clearly shows this and one orcish big guy would be annihilated by an ogre or a hurlock alpha in dragon age.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, after being weakened. You can't just throw a knife at her and kill her you weaken her to the point of it and then she dies by something that would kill Link as well.
Theres hardly any damage on her, the guy just pulls out his short sword and sticks it in. Shes dead...
As i said, keep out the gameplay mechanics.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You do have to weaken dorf to impale him more often than not. But it's definitely doable.
It's also doable to just stab the Mother.
The blunt end struck him backwards. The video clearly shows this and one orcish big guy would be annihilated by an ogre or a hurlock alpha in dragon age.
That same blow knocked a giant boar unconcious and sent it flying. Post feats for the Ogres or Hurlocks, please, or at least any strength feats for the Mother, or else none of them could even damage Link with blunt force. And King Bulblin takes more punishment than nearly any other character in Twilight Princess excluding Ganondorf, and never dies.
Originally posted by The ScenarioTentacles and you can't just stab her until you weaker her.
It's also doable to just stab the Mother.That same blow knocked a giant boar unconcious and sent it flying. Post feats for the Ogres or Hurlocks, please, or at least any strength feats for the Mother, or else none of them could even damage Link with blunt force. And King Bulblin takes more punishment than nearly any other character in Twilight Princess excluding Ganondorf, and never dies.
So he wasn't knocked out this blow didn't kill the boar did it so why act like it was anything other than a blunt force kind of blow to the head ?
Strength doesn't determine these fights you seem obsessed with it. Link didn't beat one guy in tp due to superior strength. Not one.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tentacles and you can't just stab her until you weaker her.
How do you weaken her without stabbing her?
So he wasn't knocked out this blow didn't kill the boar did it so why act like it was anything other than a blunt force kind of blow to the head ?
Because it establishes some darn good resistance. However, it still isn't quite as good as getting launched from a cannon in the sky to the ground.
Strength doesn't determine these fights you seem obsessed with it. Link didn't beat one guy in tp due to superior strength. Not one.
Dangoro and Ganondorf. And I asked you for feats, why have you not acknowledged my request?
Originally posted by The ScenarioThe boss fight which happened prior to.
How do you weaken her without stabbing her?Because it establishes some darn good resistance. However, it still isn't quite as good as getting launched from a cannon in the sky to the ground.
Dangoro and Ganondorf. And I asked you for feats, why have you not acknowledged my request?
It's blunt force not cutting resistance which you tried painting it as.
The cannon will shoot any paying customer through the air to the desired place Link isn't special. You are starting to really each at this point.
He beats dorf due to aid and skill.
Dangoro wasn't beaten due to strength also didn't he use the boots because without them he couldn't beat dangoro.
Look at her abilities not everything happens in a cutscene. You seem altogether lost here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The boss fight which happened prior to.
How do you not stab her in the boss fight?
It's blunt force not cutting resistance which you tried painting it as.
I never implied anything of the sort, stop strawmanning.
The cannon will shoot any paying customer through the air to the desired place Link isn't special. You are starting to really each at this point.
And unless you can prove that any paying customer will actually survie the trip, Link is quite special.
He beats dorf due to aid and skill.
Yes, and he will beat the Mother the same way.
Dangoro wasn't beaten due to strength also didn't he use the boots because without them he couldn't beat dangoro.
Yes, he was. Link picked Dangoro up and threw him, thus using his strength in order to win.
Look at her abilities not everything happens in a cutscene. You seem altogether lost here.
Her abilities consist of tentacles (blunt damage Link is immune to) and some grubs. Maybe an energy ball or two. So Mother's tentacles can't damage Link and he can spin attack to destroy all of them. Another spin attack or normal strikes will kill the grubs. Link can reflect any energy balls with the Master Sword, then a simple Mortal Draw annihilates the Mother in one hit.
Originally posted by The ScenarioYou have to weaker her to get her to this point. You don't show up run up and stab her.
How do you not stab her in the boss fight?I never implied anything of the sort, stop strawmanning.
And unless you can prove that any paying customer will actually survie the trip, Link is quite special.
Yes, and he will beat the Mother the same way.
Yes, he was. Link picked Dangoro up and threw him, thus using his strength in order to win.
Her abilities consist of tentacles (blunt damage Link is immune to) and some grubs. Maybe an energy ball or two. So Mother's tentacles can't damage Link and he can spin attack to destroy all of them. Another spin attack or normal strikes will kill the grubs. Link can reflect any energy balls with the Master Sword, then a simple Mortal Draw annihilates the Mother in one hit.
Yes you did you said he didn't bleed from this but why would he it's blunt force. Such a silly waste of a post.
So this guy designed a ride to kill those who ride it ? 😂 😂 😂
I mean do you honestly think only Link can survive this and the intention is to kill it's customers ? This is why I don't trsut your opinion on anything you even try to twist the most easy to understand occurrences in games for pro zelda points. It's obvious this isn't designed to kill anyone nor is the character evil at all. Just stop.
Nah. Link doesn't possess the abilities of characters of dragon age and couldn't make it past the tentacles.
He can't pick him up without the boots if he uses the boots he is a sitting target.
So now blunt damage has no effect on Link because he weathered one attack ? I mean honestly the stuff you come up with is so fanboyish it's a wonder you coul dreally send it as a legitimate point and really think I will take this seriously or treat it as fact.
The mother can make Link go crazy and swing wildly due to her powers and does it usually to a party member or two. he is screwed here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You have to weaker her to get her to this point. You don't show up run up and stab her.
You weaken her by stabbing her. This is not hard to understand.
Yes you did you said he didn't bleed from this but why would he it's blunt force. Such a silly waste of a post.
If you could quote me on that it's be great, because I rcall saying it didn't damage him at all. I said nothing about blood.
So this guy designed a ride to kill those who ride it ? 😂 😂 😂
What are you talking about, though? There's no one running the cannon that goes to the city in the sky, and it was designed to launch birds, who would be able to slow themselves. There's second cannon in the city in the sky that fires downward, and no one runs that, either. Link is the only non-Ooccoo to use the thing.
I mean do you honestly think only Link can survive this and the intention is to kill it's customers ? This is why I don't trsut your opinion on anything you even try to twist the most easy to understand occurrences in games for pro zelda points. It's obvious this isn't designed to kill anyone nor is the character evil at all. Just stop.
Yeah, you're talking about the clown guy, whereas I'm talking about the completely different cannon that had to be rebuilt and was designed to fire tiny birds instead of humans. So, yeah, Link is the only human to use it, and he survives fine on both trips. Meaning his durability is through the roof and the Mother can't hurt him.
Nah. Link doesn't possess the abilities of characters of dragon age and couldn't make it past the tentacles.
He's stronger than they are and weilds a sword that would cut through the Mother and her tentacles like paper. He'll kill her easily.
He can't pick him up without the boots if he uses the boots he is a sitting target.
No, he can't stop him without the boots. Once stopped, he doesn't need any extra weight and can go ahead and lift and throw Dangoro.
So now blunt damage has no effect on Link because he weathered one attack ? I mean honestly the stuff you come up with is so fanboyish it's a wonder you coul dreally send it as a legitimate point and really think I will take this seriously or treat it as fact.
Well, yes, since that's how evidence works. I posted a feat of Link's and a feat of the thing hitting him. You didn't post any feats of the Mother, so she currently hasn't displayed the strength necessary to hurt Link at all. Therefore, she can't until you post a strength feat.
The mother can make Link go crazy and swing wildly due to her powers and does it usually to a party member or two. he is screwed here.
Link has resistance to such effects in the form of the Master Sword and Triforce of Courage. And what is the name of this ability? The Dragon Age wiki doesn't mention it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Boots are still required for the feat so I could care less about you ignoring the fact Link isn't strong enough without the boots to even push one out of the ring.Their weight is speculation it's always
funny to see people try to assign real numbers to someone or something in a videogame.Link isn't strong hence his handling of the ball and chain like he does. Link also isn't stronger than any knight he's pitted against he isn't stronger than basically anyone he fights. Never once have I seen his strength decide the outcome of any fight it's always due to his skill and artifacts.
You just agreed with me about there being two different dorfs meaning there isn't one experiencing everything the same.
Whether it's linear or not is irrelevant the fact there are different dorfs with different memories means it isn't one guy experiencing everything.
Wow that's dense. Boots ≠ Arms but nice try. If you played the game of looked a little deeper you'd know all this by now. And Link knocking around a 300 ton ice mass with a ball and chain says otherwise to him having no strength.
Speculation through maths [credible people here] is taken as better proof then someone's word based off nothing. Its how it works when comparing things.
Can weild it with enough strength to knock that 3 story iceberg back at speeds. Y'know what, just for you Im gonna dig up a strength feat just for you with as little math as possible:
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http://www.legendarystrength.com/feats-of-strength/chain-breaking/#
What this tells us is that a strong person can beak a #12 chain with small trouble and can break a #10 chain with difficulty, in his words 4x harder for 2 grades. That link also says that breaking a #6 chain is a superhuman feat. That would mean a #6 would be over 8x harder then a #10.
Now;
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Knowing that Dorf is like 10ft tall. Those chains that held him would be #4 which he broke with less effort then that chap breaking a #12 in another vid. That comes with the conclusion that Dorf is 20x stronger then a fairly strong person...
Oh yeah the point of this is.. ''Never once have I seen his strength decide the outcome of any fight it's always due to his skill and artifacts''
YouTube video 50 seconds in.
Link is just above Dorfs strength. Seeing as how the Dragon Age people at best with no feats would be in the 'athlete' class, Link trumps them by far. There, a feat with no calcs and by only comparing.
TP Dorf doesnt have the memories of WW Dorf as they are diffent entities. But TP Dorf does have the memories of OoT as that was him in the timeline. http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Split_Timeline_Theory Look at that, or just glance at the picture and you'll get it.