Mother vs. Link (TP)

Originally posted by quanchi112
😂

You don't understand how most artists, writer's, or creators go about when they draw or create something the hero takes on. This is Kurt Busiek's response.
They don't even make sense half the time -- if a stat in the Handbook says that Character A can lift 120 tons, most artists don't know what 120 tons looks like, and they don't go and check whether a particular airplane or tank or whatever is within the character's stated limits; they just figure that means "wicked strong" and draw what looks to them appropriately "wicked."

I think that system works better than assigning numbers -- all that happens when you do that is that someone says Spider-Man can lift 40 tons (or whatever) because of that humongous machine he lifted once with incredible effort, and then bang, all of a sudden it's his standard strength, and fans who use to see Spider-Man go up against three guys with lead pipes and think it was an okay fight are going, "No way! He can lift 40 tons! That means he can juggle Buicks!"

Never mind that Spider-Man was never the kind of character to juggle Buicks, or even lift one, but hey, it says he can lift 40 tons in a power chart somewhere, and that's taken as more important than the way the character had been written and drawn.

You're the typical fan who argues based on feats alone and ignores how the character is portrayed and assigned bogus unprovable numbers to something they perceive and assign it as something they can do 100 percent of the time. It's an exercise in futility and why arguing just based on feats and ignoring character portrayal is the worst way you could ever debate.

You're the typical fan who claims he can juggle buicks.

Spider-Man... 40 tons... machine... juggle buicks.... Im sorry this has what to do with anything? Waiting for an answer, how can an ice mass that large be lighter then Link. If it cant then that means Link superhuman.

Typical? Im hardly even a fan of Link. Everyone here uses a mix of the character and the feats, like how no one says 'Link tears ----'s head off'. So you want all the matches to be without the characters feats? -sigh-

And how does Mother hope to beat Link?

What Quanchi is doing is trying to claim comics are the same sort of fiction as games. Their completly different, which is why feats in games can be more important than in a comic, based on the fact that even with my limited knowledge of comics, I know different writers can sometimes write characters unique from one to the other.

You're in a different land now Quan, gotta follow our rules if you wanna play.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
When has Mother ever beaten Link? dur

Originally posted by NemeBro
When has Mother ever beaten ANYONE?

I'm guessing Quan. Or at least the first time he fought her.

Seriously though, I'm hearing of tentacles killing Link. Is there not a single enemy in TP that uses them?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Link doesn't. Link has never faced these defenses before either.
That has nothing to do with this spell which he can not actively resist.
You are comparing apples to oranges.

Link does, in fact, resist the Fused Shadows and Mirror Shards. Both of those cause creatures go berserk and attack wildly. You said that Mother can make Link swing wildly, and I'm saying Link resisted something that does similar.

The Mother doesn't have to be as strong as Bulbin for one. Secondly, strength doesn't always determine victor. You seem obsessed with strength and ignore abilities, power, etc. The tentacles and her abilities rip him a new one. Link has no way of avoiding them.

Yes, she does. If Mother is not as strong as King Bulblin, and King Bulblin could not harm Link with his strength, how does the Mother hope to harm him? Mother's tentacles aren't strong, either, so thy can't harm Link, either, as they're weaker than King Bulblin by evidence. And Link can dodge them, as they don't move much.

Mother can drain all magic from your character so there goes the magic armor. LOL.

No, it drains all mana. Link doesn't have mana, so that won't work. Even if it did, Link would have to be standing inside the glyph, which he can avoid.

Link dies as a tentacle hits him as mortal draw leaves him open to death as well.

King Bulblin is stronger than a tentacle, so how does the tentacle kill Link? The tentacle isn't as strong as a sky cannon, either, so how does it harm Link? And don't forget the Magic Armor. Link can just use the Mortal Draw on the tentacle to kill it before it does anything, or he just Great Spin Attacks all four and kills them, then Mortal Draws the Mother.

Both go hand in hand. We don't ignore how he's portrayed throughout the game just because you really like Link. That's not how it works.

And we don't ignore canon cutscenes just because you don't like Link. But even with game mechanics Link wins because he's invincible and kills everything in one hit.

Link dies as mortal draw leaves him open for death as well.

King Bulblin. Sky Cannon. Magic Armor.

Link dies in the game if he falls from the sky city and takes damage if he falls too high. In the cannon it's not designed to kill anyone so don't make a false comparison or try to make him able to survive 30,000 foot drops. You are all over the place here and cannot answer my question so you rescind your claim. Excellent.

No, Link doesn't die if he falls, he just loses some health and starts over. How do you know the cannon isn't designed to kill anyone? Can you show me anyone besides Link using it? Yes, that thing would kill anyone else if they weren't an Oocca, which it is designed for.

Boots make feat possible.

Yes or no? If you just repeat that again I'll be forced to assume that yes, you think that heavy boots make people stronger.

You haven't played the game you haven't a clue and it is relevant.

Quanchi, I'm fairly certain I know as much about Dragon Age as you do. I don't care about your opinion, and you have no right to tell me what I do or do not know.

How can Link resist this ?

Resist what? Link overpowered Ganondorf via the sword lock. They have comparable strength.

Link doesn't have overwhelming strength to dragon age. It's completely ridiculous and we see Link struggle to maintain a wild horse.

We see Link throw a giant Goron. We see Link throw a giant ice mass. We see Link lift a large chandelier. We see Link break giant boulders. We see Link break through armor. You can't ignore all of this, Quanchi.

Not when he swings wildly for a time his rupees go out or she drains all his magic aka armor.

Link resists, dodges, Mortal Draws, etc. Or he can just hang back and pelt the Mother with Bomb Arrows.

That's not canon. He isn't stronger than dorf only if you do so is he. Laughs.

Why isn't it canon? Either Link or Ganondorf can win the sword lock, proving comparable strength, and it happens in the game, which makes it canon.

I don't care. It's an ability in the game.

That Link can resist.

Not when it's true. You admitted you were ignorant more or less when you stated you hadn't played the game.

And then I told you I research the game extensively. If you continue to call me ignorant, it will be flaming and I will report you.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Link dies in the game if he falls from the sky city and takes damage if he falls too high. In the cannon it's not designed to kill anyone so don't make a false comparison or try to make him able to survive 30,000 foot drops. You are all over the place here and cannot answer my question so you rescind your claim. Excellent.

So you like using Game Mechanics when debating for the cannon feat? that's cool i guess 😱

ever think this may be why? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CollisionDamage

Originally posted by quanchi112
Boots make feat possible.

Stop avoiding the question. The boots make the feat as a whole possible that isn't to say that the boots make it so that Link can lift up the goron please stop trying to prove otherwise. The boots make it so that Link can stop the goron not lift him, the boot make it so that he can stay on the floor Link has proven throughout the game that he has super strength and lifting a goron wouldn't be a far stretch nowhere in the game does it say the boots make him stronger,they allow him to stay on the ground so he isn't knocked over they DO NOT disreguard his strength.

Oh and Link likes to toss those gorons too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvPpX19WZmo (4:57)

P.S. I like what he says at 5:29 😆

Originally posted by BloodRain
I dont think you understand how KMC works 🙂
It comes down to how credible and accurate the source is. In our case we're going by what happened in the game, thats the only logical way to get answers.

Spider-Man... 40 tons... machine... juggle buicks.... Im sorry this has what to do with anything? Waiting for an answer, how can an ice mass that large be lighter then Link. If it cant then that means Link superhuman.

Typical? Im hardly even a fan of Link. Everyone here uses a mix of the character and the feats, like how no one says 'Link tears ----'s head off'. So you want all the matches to be without the characters feats? -sigh-

And how does Mother hope to beat Link?

Weren't you paying attention at all ? This is just like Link who isn't portrayed as superhumanly strong. He does what he has to do to defeat the villains but nowhere is he portrayed as this superhuman stud. Nowhere. If I held a knife and cut him he'd bleed. I have no idea where most of you come up with this you don't have the strength to hurt these insert favorite character here types of arguments.

Feats count but so does character portrayal and common sense. People who argue by feats alone aren't even arguing the characters themselves.

Mother's abilities dominate him. If a character doesn't have in game videos that doesn't mean that character is weaker.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What Quanchi is doing is trying to claim comics are the same sort of fiction as games. Their completly different, which is why feats in games can be more important than in a comic, based on the fact that even with my limited knowledge of comics, I know different writers can sometimes write characters unique from one to the other.

Originally posted by BloodRain
You're in a different land now Quan, gotta follow our rules if you wanna play.

Originally posted by NemeBro
When has Mother ever beaten ANYONE?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Link does, in fact, resist the Fused Shadows and Mirror Shards. Both of those cause creatures go berserk and attack wildly. You said that Mother can make Link swing wildly, and I'm saying Link resisted something that does similar.

Yes, she does. If Mother is not as strong as King Bulblin, and King Bulblin could not harm Link with his strength, how does the Mother hope to harm him? Mother's tentacles aren't strong, either, so thy can't harm Link, either, as they're weaker than King Bulblin by evidence. And Link can dodge them, as they don't move much.

No, it drains all mana. Link doesn't have mana, so that won't work. Even if it did, Link would have to be standing inside the glyph, which he can avoid.

King Bulblin is stronger than a tentacle, so how does the tentacle kill Link? The tentacle isn't as strong as a sky cannon, either, so how does it harm Link? And don't forget the Magic Armor. Link can just use the Mortal Draw on the tentacle to kill it before it does anything, or he just Great Spin Attacks all four and kills them, then Mortal Draws the Mother.

And we don't ignore canon cutscenes just because you don't like Link. But even with game mechanics Link wins because he's invincible and kills everything in one hit.

King Bulblin. Sky Cannon. Magic Armor.

No, Link doesn't die if he falls, he just loses some health and starts over. How do you know the cannon isn't designed to kill anyone? Can you show me anyone besides Link using it? Yes, that thing would kill anyone else if they weren't an Oocca, which it is designed for.

Yes or no? If you just repeat that again I'll be forced to assume that yes, you think that heavy boots make people stronger.

Quanchi, I'm fairly certain I know as much about Dragon Age as you do. I don't care about your opinion, and you have no right to tell me what I do or do not know.

Resist what? Link overpowered Ganondorf via the sword lock. They have comparable strength.

We see Link throw a giant Goron. We see Link throw a giant ice mass. We see Link lift a large chandelier. We see Link break giant boulders. We see Link break through armor. You can't ignore all of this, Quanchi.

Link resists, dodges, Mortal Draws, etc. Or he can just hang back and pelt the Mother with Bomb Arrows.

Why isn't it canon? Either Link or Ganondorf can win the sword lock, proving comparable strength, and it happens in the game, which makes it canon.

That Link can resist.

And then I told you I research the game extensively. If you continue to call me ignorant, it will be flaming and I will report you.

When has Link ever resisted someone from killing him if he just stood there and allowed it ? He struggled with the horse and was easily knocked down by the snowman. The guy gets hurt if anyone hits him. Anyone even minor weak plants can kill him. You claiming the Mother can't hurt him is so out there I couldn't look you in the eye and take you seriously irl. Good thing this is the internet.

It drains all magical abilities aka magical armor. That's what that armor has is magical energy call it whatever you want.

Link isn't invincible and in canon cutscenes he was easily defeated by Zant.

Link recovered from one strike this doesn't mean he's invincible or immune to all attacks. Link falls out of sky city he dies because he was never ever portrayed as someone who can survive big falls and cannons both were created to survive and no one has ever died.

Link dies but the game doesn't end. Same thing in any other game where you fall off the cliff. You don't just magically start at the point right before you fell off the edge. Common sense.

You can't show me it hurting anyone plus the way it's referred to it's obvious the creators weren't using it as some dangerous method which would kill riders if they used this method.

I think the boots give him the weight needed for the strength feat. Without the added weight Link can't contend. 🙂

Nope. You asked me about elements of the story, asked me about abilities, and have never played the game. You haven't a clue outside what wiki and I tell you. You have no idea about the entire story or anything just what you picked up without playing the game.

It's ok I see you are arguing against it because you like zelda not that you know any better.

Nope. That's optional and you can lose the sword battle. Dorf also has only shown superstrength when the triforce is actively powering him up.

Due to the boots without them he lacks the weight to do anything against them.

Bo could man up against them as well showing it's all about the boots and skill. 😂

None of this makes him really strong nor does he exhibit this in combat. He beats his enemies due to skill and the knights can parry all his attacks he wins not due to overwhelming strength he wins due to skill.

Link's getting attacked if he uses his arrows. He gets quickly killed and if he mortal draws a tentacle kills him as he leaves himself open for death.

Because it's a gameplay mechanic and secondly dorf has only shown this kind of strength when the triforce is actively being used making him not strong at all without it since he was unable to free himself prior to.

You haven't proven he can resist.

I won't say it again but you know it's what I think of you. Quit bringing it up then my opinion won't change.

Originally posted by Coco292
So you like using Game Mechanics when debating for the cannon feat? that's cool i guess 😱

ever think this may be why? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CollisionDamage

Stop avoiding the question. The boots make the feat as a whole possible that isn't to say that the boots make it so that Link can lift up the goron please stop trying to prove otherwise. The boots make it so that Link can stop the goron not lift him, the boot make it so that he can stay on the floor Link has proven throughout the game that he has super strength and lifting a goron wouldn't be a far stretch nowhere in the game does it say the boots make him stronger,they allow him to stay on the ground so he isn't knocked over they DO NOT disreguard his strength.

Oh and Link likes to toss those gorons too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvPpX19WZmo (4:57)

P.S. I like what he says at 5:29 😆

Link doesn't have the weight to effectively deal with someone who outweighs him strength wise so it does contribute to what he's capable of strength wise which backs the game.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wow. I do understand how kmc works and you're one of the fans who kurt busiek described. You assign bogus numbers now pay attention here YOU CANNOT PROVE. You can get out a calculator all day long and make up the silliest stats for these characters which don't add up to how he is portrayed in the game.

Weren't you paying attention at all ? This is just like Link who isn't portrayed as superhumanly strong. He does what he has to do to defeat the villains but nowhere is he portrayed as this superhuman stud. Nowhere. If I held a knife and cut him he'd bleed. I have no idea where most of you come up with this you don't have the strength to hurt these insert favorite character here types of arguments.

Feats count but so does character portrayal and common sense. People who argue by feats alone aren't even arguing the characters themselves.

Mother's abilities dominate him. If a character doesn't have in game videos that doesn't mean that character is weaker.

Oh believe me I am. Been here for 3 years and most of you don't have a clue about character portrayal you just argue based off a few feats and disregard the actual portrayal.

Ok lets put in some of his character. Is a top ranking knight as he > all TP knights and the Hero's Shade said so himself. Is massively courageous to do what he does at his age, backed by the Triforce of Courage residing in him. Has fought bosses more threatening then Mother. Three basic things about Link which means his character is portrayed to defeating enemies like Mother. There, character and feats sorted.

Then how about we step back from Link and look at The Mother. Her moves consist of slow tentacles that I could evade with my legs fixed to the ground and can make the magicless Link not use magic. That adding to the fact the she has no feats and no character portrayal like you so very much want together. True, if a character doesnt have clips it doesnt make them weak but we'd have to find a way to gauge the strength. Only way is through powerscaling; The Mother is matched by two athletic humans=shes just above human strength but below human speed. Link has above human speed with reactions to shoot arrows out of mid-air with arrows and is strong enough to beat Bo in strength who must be in the 500kg strength level is weightlifter/sumo huge, can hurl a 30ton boss Goron over his shoulder and knock a 300 ton large ice mass the size of a few cars stacked up back some distance.

Or y'know, Link gets past those tentacles to get up in her face then puts on the Iron Boots to gain strength cos thats how they role and use his boot strength to shove his sword into her head.

Originally posted by quanchi112
😂 😂

I think she MAY have killed one of her own punk-ass Darkspawn, but I am not even sure of that.

She has beaten no one of any importance at all.

Or y'know, Link gets past those tentacles to get up in her face then puts on the Iron Boots to gain strength cos thats how they role and use his boot strength to shove his sword into her head.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He resisted being taken over but this ability doesn't fail and isn't the same thing.

Hey, you know what? Link's resistence didn't fail either. So what wins? The canon resistence or the featless gameplay ability? Hmmm.

When has Link ever resisted someone from killing him if he just stood there and allowed it ? He struggled with the horse and was easily knocked down by the snowman. The guy gets hurt if anyone hits him. Anyone even minor weak plants can kill him. You claiming the Mother can't hurt him is so out there I couldn't look you in the eye and take you seriously irl. Good thing this is the internet.

Link just let King Bulblin hit him with an axe and was fine. So if Mother isn't as strong as King Bulblin, he'll also be fine. Oh, and Yeto knocking him across the room? That didn't hurt him either, so thanks for that.

It drains all magical abilities aka magical armor. That's what that armor has is magical energy call it whatever you want.

Dragon Age magic is powered by mana. Twilight Princess Magic Armor is not powered by mana. It is, in fact, powered by money. The Glyph of Neutralization does not drain money. And even if it did, Link would have to be standing in it, which he won't be.

Link isn't invincible and in canon cutscenes he was easily defeated by Zant.

I thought you didn't want to use cutscenes? Regardless, all Zelda games are about Link improving his skills, so things that are in the past aren't great indicators. Since, you know, Link defeated Zant, that scene is no longer applicable. And he wasn't wearing the magic armor, of course.

Link recovered from one strike this doesn't mean he's invincible or immune to all attacks. Link falls out of sky city he dies because he was never ever portrayed as someone who can survive big falls and cannons both were created to survive and no one has ever died.

You keep saying that no one ever died. This confuses me, because you don't actually know that for a fact. You are aware that the main users of the sky cannon were not people, but birds? It was designed for birds. No human has ever used this cannon before Link did. Birds might be able to survive because they can freaking fly, but you have no way of knowing that it was designed for human travel, since the thing is only used by birds. BIRDS, Quanchi.

Link dies but the game doesn't end. Same thing in any other game where you fall off the cliff. You don't just magically start at the point right before you fell off the edge. Common sense.

Just magically appearing is common sense to you? Sounds more like gameplay mechanics to me, but hey, you allowed them. Link never canonically fell off the city, and the only time he did in canon, was with an actual cannon. Which he survived.

You can't show me it hurting anyone plus the way it's referred to it's obvious the creators weren't using it as some dangerous method which would kill riders if they used this method.

What way is it referred to? When Ooccoo, the BIRD, asks you to find the BIRD CANNON so that she can go to the City in the Sky so she can join all her BIRD friends. And then Link does find the BIRD CANNON and uses it to go to the City full of BIRDS so he can get the Mirror Shard.

BIRDS.

I think the boots give him the weight needed for the strength feat. Without the added weight Link can't contend. 🙂

I think you don't understand how strength and weight works. Without the added weight Link can't avoid being moved. With them, he avoids being pushed around so that he can apply his strength. Despite what you may think, being heavy does not make people stronger.

Nope. You asked me about elements of the story, asked me about abilities, and have never played the game. You haven't a clue outside what wiki and I tell you. You have no idea about the entire story or anything just what you picked up without playing the game.

I asked you for evidnce, which you have repeated refused to give me. You've admitted to wasting my time, because without the evidence backing you up, your claims are nothing. All you need to do is get some evidence. That's it. It's easy.

It's ok I see you are arguing against it because you like zelda not that you know any better.

I'm arguing because Link's opponent is just not very powerful and I have seen Link take down things stronger than the Mother. Most bosses bosses in Twilight Princess make that cut.

Nope. That's optional and you can lose the sword battle. Dorf also has only shown superstrength when the triforce is actively powering him up.

Ganondorf can transform into a giant pig without the Triforce lighting up. Glowing is not a good indicator. And we saw it lighting up when Ganondrf was talking. It was just glowing that time because that was the first time it was activated and Ganondorf had just recieved it. It wasn't glowing when he killed the Sage, either.

Due to the boots without them he lacks the weight to do anything against them.

He can swing a sword without needing the boots. And as BloodRain said, Link could just equip them right before stabbing the Mother. Hell, he could put them on and then Clawshot right into her face to commence with the violence. Hopefully the Clawshot won't just pull her head off.

Bo could man up against them as well showing it's all about the boots and skill. 😂

Bo has tusks. The man is not human.

None of this makes him really strong nor does he exhibit this in combat. He beats his enemies due to skill and the knights can parry all his attacks he wins not due to overwhelming strength he wins due to skill.

Throw Dangoro off ledge. Trip Fyrus. Throw Blizzeta across the room. Link can cut Darknut armor to pieces, why do you ignore that? And I've never seen a Darknuts parry any of Link's attacks. I've seen them block with a shield, but never once parry him. I've also seen Link knock that shield from their hand at the same time he cleaves their armor.

Link's getting attacked if he uses his arrows. He gets quickly killed and if he mortal draws a tentacle kills him as he leaves himself open for death.

How does he get killed if he shoots the Mother from outside her range? He can just Clawshot up to the Mother instantly, and kill her in one move before any of the tentacles reach him. He could stand in a circle of tentacles and Great Spin Attack all of them at once, leaving the Mother defensesless. He could keep attacking regardless of the tentacle, because it can't hurt him or get past his armor.

There's no way for the Mother to win.

Because it's a gameplay mechanic and secondly dorf has only shown this kind of strength when the triforce is actively being used making him not strong at all without it since he was unable to free himself prior to.

Stop changing your stance, please. Why are gameplay mechanics suddenly unuseable when you've been allowing them for the past several pages? And I've told you, Ganondorf wasn't strong before he got the Triforce of Power. Only after was he permanently super strong and durable.

You haven't proven he can resist.

Fused Shadows. Mirror Shards. Both resisted. Stop ignoring them.

I won't say it again but you know it's what I think of you. Quit bringing it up then my opinion won't change.

Just because you're not using the word doesn't mean you're not still making a personal attack.

Originally posted by BloodRain
<- Has debated against Link more times then for, like 4-1. How great of a fan am I? 8D. Technically they do add up. If I say X character is Y fast and Z strong and through the game X is proven to move at Y speeds and lift Z then the calcs have worked. Never said that Link has godly durability, pay attention and give the answer to this: Link knocks back the giant ice mass, said mass is several time larger then himself so obviously weighs more, no maths just common sense. How is that not superhuman? Answer in the next post or forfeit the strength argument. 😐

Ok lets put in some of his character. Is a top ranking knight as he > all TP knights and the Hero's Shade said so himself. Is massively courageous to do what he does at his age, backed by the Triforce of Courage residing in him. Has fought bosses more threatening then Mother. Three basic things about Link which means his character is portrayed to defeating enemies like Mother. There, character and feats sorted.

Then how about we step back from Link and look at The Mother. Her moves consist of slow tentacles that I could evade with my legs fixed to the ground and can make the magicless Link not use magic. That adding to the fact the she has no feats and no character portrayal like you so very much want together. True, if a character doesnt have clips it doesnt make them weak but we'd have to find a way to gauge the strength. Only way is through powerscaling; The Mother is matched by two athletic humans=shes just above human strength but below human speed. Link has above human speed with reactions to shoot arrows out of mid-air with arrows and is strong enough to beat Bo in strength who must be in the 500kg strength level is weightlifter/sumo huge, can hurl a 30ton boss Goron over his shoulder and knock a 300 ton large ice mass the size of a few cars stacked up back some distance.

Or y'know, Link gets past those tentacles to get up in her face then puts on the Iron Boots to gain strength cos thats how they role and use his boot strength to shove his sword into her head.

Stopping a goat or so also would be absolutely nothing to someone who can lift multiple tons. If your reasoning holds up why does he struggle to wield the ball and chain he should be able to effortlessly toss it with three fingers based on his super strength.

Anyone who comes away from this game and attaches meaningless numbers to boss battles and ignores how characters are portrayed during the actual story just don't or cannot comprehend the creators intent.

Uhm Link didn't fight anyone even close to Mother save Dorf who I also feel would fall drastically short against her. Link's boss fights are kinda lame by comparison and rarely is he fighting against an overwhelming force at any given time.

When has Link taken on anyone like the mother with the power behind her or the abilities who has shown to be table to take on a party of four along with ancient tevinter weapons you can bring to bear against her.

Again claiming Bo is super strong or Link while they have to tense up to stop what a running goat and need boots to take on anything which outweighs them is just plain ridiculous. According to you everyone in zelda is just some super strong stud and let's ignore everything else in the game. The feats it's all about the feats.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Name a single person she beat.

I think she MAY have killed one of her own punk-ass Darkspawn, but I am not even sure of that.

She has beaten no one of any importance at all.

Well Quan, if we went on portrayal Link still wins. He is portrayed as an incredibly courageous and skilled man who always manages to conquer incredible odds.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Hey, you know what? Link's resistence didn't fail either. So what wins? The canon resistence or the featless gameplay ability? Hmmm.

Link just let King Bulblin hit him with an axe and was fine. So if Mother isn't as strong as King Bulblin, he'll also be fine. Oh, and Yeto knocking him across the room? That didn't hurt him either, so thanks for that.

Dragon Age magic is powered by mana. Twilight Princess Magic Armor is not powered by mana. It is, in fact, powered by money. The Glyph of Neutralization does not drain money. And even if it did, Link would have to be standing in it, which he won't be.

I thought you didn't want to use cutscenes? Regardless, all Zelda games are about Link improving his skills, so things that are in the past aren't great indicators. Since, you know, Link defeated Zant, that scene is no longer applicable. And he wasn't wearing the magic armor, of course.

You keep saying that no one ever died. This confuses me, because you don't actually know that for a fact. You are aware that the main users of the sky cannon were not people, but birds? It was designed for birds. No human has ever used this cannon before Link did. Birds might be able to survive because they can freaking fly, but you have no way of knowing that it was designed for human travel, since the thing is only used by birds. BIRDS, Quanchi.

Just magically appearing is common sense to you? Sounds more like gameplay mechanics to me, but hey, you allowed them. Link never canonically fell off the city, and the only time he did in canon, was with an actual cannon. Which he survived.

What way is it referred to? When Ooccoo, the BIRD, asks you to find the BIRD CANNON so that she can go to the City in the Sky so she can join all her BIRD friends. And then Link does find the BIRD CANNON and uses it to go to the City full of BIRDS so he can get the Mirror Shard.

BIRDS.

I think you don't understand how strength and weight works. Without the added weight Link can't avoid being moved. With them, he avoids being pushed around so that he can apply his strength. Despite what you may think, being heavy does not make people stronger.

I asked you for evidnce, which you have repeated refused to give me. You've admitted to wasting my time, because without the evidence backing you up, your claims are nothing. All you need to do is get some evidence. That's it. It's easy.

I'm arguing because Link's opponent is just not very powerful and I have seen Link take down things stronger than the Mother. Most bosses bosses in Twilight Princess make that cut.

Ganondorf can transform into a giant pig without the Triforce lighting up. Glowing is not a good indicator. And we saw it lighting up when Ganondrf was talking. It was just glowing that time because that was the first time it was activated and Ganondorf had just recieved it. It wasn't glowing when he killed the Sage, either.

He can swing a sword without needing the boots. And as BloodRain said, Link could just equip them right before stabbing the Mother. Hell, he could put them on and then Clawshot right into her face to commence with the violence. Hopefully the Clawshot won't just pull her head off.

Bo has tusks. The man is not human.

Throw Dangoro off ledge. Trip Fyrus. Throw Blizzeta across the room. Link can cut Darknut armor to pieces, why do you ignore that? And I've never seen a Darknuts parry any of Link's attacks. I've seen them block with a shield, but never once parry him. I've also seen Link knock that shield from their hand at the same time he cleaves their armor.

How does he get killed if he shoots the Mother from outside her range? He can just Clawshot up to the Mother instantly, and kill her in one move before any of the tentacles reach him. He could stand in a circle of tentacles and Great Spin Attack all of them at once, leaving the Mother defensesless. He could keep attacking regardless of the tentacle, because it can't hurt him or get past his armor.

There's no way for the Mother to win.

Stop changing your stance, please. Why are gameplay mechanics suddenly unuseable when you've been allowing them for the past several pages? And I've told you, Ganondorf wasn't strong before he got the Triforce of Power. Only after was he permanently super strong and durable.

Fused Shadows. Mirror Shards. Both resisted. Stop ignoring them.

Just because you're not using the word doesn't mean you're not still making a personal attack.

One attack he might shrug off but two or three doubtful and you have to worry about the tentacles also. Link hasn't shown he can resist plain old lame plants who attack him so Mother is really going to hurt him.

The armor is powered by magic which is taken away. The armor isn't powered by money it's a gameplay mechanic.

It is applicable. Link beat him but early on Zant dominated him. So they are 1-1 against each other.

You can't say it's ever harmed anyone nor can you say the creators intended on Link being unable to be hurt by these scenes by 20,000 falls. Come on no one buys this argument not even for a second.

We see Link gets hurt bigtime or dies if he falls. If he was unable to be hurt by falling great heights then why put it in the game at all ?

Irl being heavy does play a factor in strength. I mean I can't lift as much at 165 say as I can at 185. This should be common sense that meatier people on average are stronger than twerps. Someone might be naturally strong but that person can always lift more when they weigh more.

What evidence am i refusing to give ?

Strength doesn't always equal victor. You do realize this right ? Or in your world does stronger mean auto win ?

Dorf can transform yes but when he needs to resist injuries or get freakishly stronger in any form he needs to access the power triforce.

Link can swipe at the Mother because she takes oodles and oodles of damage she isn't getting one shotted nor does Link one shot any bosses in his own game.

Is Bo super strong iyo?

Link is strong enough to damage the bosses or use the boots to give him the weight needed to perform feats. Yes, yes we have already covered this.

Link is strong enough to hurt her just like she is strong enough to hurt him.

When has Link killed any boss in one move or when was the Mother killed in one move ?

The tentacles are busy attacking him his spin attack could hit them but the tentacles are also hitting him. She is sitting back and casting berserk to which he swings senselessly then dies.

He turned into a wolf and need Midna's aid and he also was easily beaten by Zant and resisted nothing. He can't resist Zant's offensive attacks nor can he resist the Mother's.

Fine then I allowed dorf and Link's feat but it's not impressive because dorf isn't super strong unless tapping into it.

I am not making a personal attack you know how I feel.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well Quan, if we went on portrayal Link still wins. He is portrayed as an incredibly courageous and skilled man who always manages to conquer incredible odds.

Lol. Spared? He failed against Zant due to a lack of a rather important item referred to as the Master Sword. And they escaped with their lives because of the Light Spirit saving them. Otherwise Zant would have killed Link right there and taken Midna prisoner. He'd have been better off reversing their positions.

And yeah. Exactly. Aren't we supposed to take into account the way the character is written? Link is written to always win in the end.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lol. Spared? He failed against Zant due to a lack of a rather important item referred to as the Master Sword. And they escaped with their lives because of the Light Spirit saving them. Otherwise Zant would have killed Link right there and taken Midna prisoner. He'd have been better off reversing their positions.

And yeah. Exactly. Aren't we supposed to take into account the way the character is written? Link is written to always win in the end.

Link wins in the end against the pathetic opposition. It's not organized and moronic imo.