^ It's clear Logan isn't fighting back until the fourth panel. When the fighting actually begins.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganHe stopped because he was startled by X-23's tactics and because they were that effective.
I disagree completely. He attacked only once, then completely stopped. He was trying to reach her, think there was a clear differences between what he was trying to do and what she was trying to do.
Just because Wolverine got stopped hard by her strategy doesn't mean Wolverine willingly threw the fight.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Whats this based off of? His Ko record is just fine vs skilled individuals and is out stripped by the amount of times he face bricks. He foughten the hulk 14 times, namor 4 or 5 times ect. His majority of his showings are him tanking absurd amount of blunt force trauma.
My point is, Wolverine is capable of resisting heavy blunt trauma, but that doesn't make him impossible to ko by people with good skill but less strength.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's clear Logan isn't fighting back until the fourth panel. When the fighting actually begins. He stopped because he was startled by X-23's tactics and because they were that effective.Just because Wolverine got stopped hard by her strategy doesn't mean Wolverine willingly threw the fight.
If he actaully fought back he would with out a doubt come up on top. she has nothing on him.
Originally posted by Bentley
My point is, Wolverine is capable of resisting heavy blunt trauma, but that doesn't make him impossible to ko by people with good skill but less strength.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0He didnt throw the fight. But he was far from going all out either. She was going for the kill. He wasn't. He pretty much let her attack him.
^ It's clear Logan isn't fighting back until the fourth panel. When the fighting actually begins. He stopped because he was startled by X-23's tactics and because they were that effective.Just because Wolverine got stopped hard by her strategy doesn't mean Wolverine willingly threw the fight.
Originally posted by King Castle
which demon possessed Hero will win?ko, kill.. forum rules.
Originally posted by King CastleThen why did you make the thread? durpalm
really should wait to comment on both since they are still being written..dont know how well they will do.
Originally posted by carver9Yeah, that's not what happened. Logan jumped DD, impaled him and then got put through a pillar never to return (in that comic). Warned for poor interpretation and distorting events to favor one character. facepalm
Regular Wolverine can take this version of DD. I seen there recent fight but nothing really happened. DD got stabbed, tossed Wolverine and thats it. Wolverine can take him in my opinion.
That said, Wolverine possessed has a a lot of potential given the powerset.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganHe completely stopped fighting back once he was toppled by X-23. Wolverine gained his desire to fight her when he got pissed off by the fourth page.
No the fact he completely stop fighting back and attacking shows this. No Logan clearly was not fighting back. She was trying to kill him and he had no intentions of killing her which was clear. Even to the point were he freely tells her to kill him, but that she should live. But I am sorry there clear differences between one character having no desire to fight or kill the other, and another character going all out trying to kill them.If he actaully fought back he would with out a doubt come up on top. she has nothing on him.
Except when X-23 beat him in a fight.
Originally posted by SamZEDA character going all out in the most vicious, desperate way possible is not a prerequisite to losing a fight. Wolverine fought her. He lost. And Wolverine never once "let" her attack him. He was trying to evade from the get-go and when he realized he couldn't no-sell her attacks after getting slashed twice, he engaged her. And lost.
He didnt throw the fight. But he was far from going all out either. She was going for the kill. He wasn't. He pretty much let her attack him.
This isn't arguable. Read the fight, from the fourth page on. Stop making excuses.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He completely stopped fighting back once he was toppled by X-23. Wolverine gained his desire to fight her when he got pissed off by the fourth page.
Wolverine has straight up already out fought her before and has complete owned her before showing superior speed. He would with out a doubt beat her if he fought for real.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Man, even from the said page he continued saying "get off kid" and "what's wrong with you" as in "enough fighting already" and with his claws retraced. Throughout the entire fight he only made one attack while she made 20. Sure we could go with "he lost, she won and the rest doesnt matter" but that'd be ignoring context and in no way would establish character's superiority. That's not an excuse, that's the truth. You should start paying attention to the the context. She was going all out. He was barely fighting back.
Except when X-23 beat him in a fight. A character going all out in the most vicious, desperate way possible is not a prerequisite to losing a fight. Wolverine fought her. He lost. And Wolverine never once "let" her attack him. He was trying to evade from the get-go and when he realized he couldn't no-sell her attacks after getting slashed twice, he engaged her. And lost.This isn't arguable. Read the fight, from the fourth page on. Stop making excuses.
Originally posted by SamZEDWeak-sauce. Just because Wolverine retracted his claws to paw his own wounds and figure out what Laura was doing doesn't mean Wolverine threw the fight.
Man, even from the said page he continued saying "get off kid" and "what's wrong with you" as in "enough fighting already" and with his claws retraced. Throughout the entire fight he only made one attack while she made 20. Sure we could go with "he lost, she won and the rest doesnt matter" but that'd be ignoring context and in no way would establish character's superiority. That's not an excuse, that's the truth. You should start paying attention to the the context. She was going all out. He was barely fighting back.
You can't hold it against Laura that she beat him so quickly that Wolverine only got a couple of swings in. Wolverine only got a couple of swings in because he got toppled so quickly and unexpectedly.
Stop pretending it was otherwise. Imagine yourself in a gunfight, and you're wondering why your opponent is shooting the ground around you and not at you. You realize too late that the floor is about to collapse taking you to your probable death. You lower your gun as the floor collapses. Was your action of putting down your gun at the moment you lost the fight an instance of you holding back and barely fighting back? Are you really going to pretend that you didn't just lose the fight?
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganYes. He was fighting back. By the time he realized what was happening, it was just too late for him to mount any counter-attack. His inability to immediately assess the critical situation he was in doesn't mean he threw the fight. It was just at that exact moment, he was done.
He wasent even fighting back. She was going all out and trying to kill him and he was doing no such thing. He wasent even attacking back. He clearly was holding back.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganExcept the one time that X-23 beat him.
Wolverine has straight up already out fought her before and has complete owned her before showing superior speed. He would with out a doubt beat her if he fought for real.
your skewering what happen, he clearly was holding back. He wasent even attacking back and even retracted his claws, and was asking x-23 what was wrong. While she was going all out to kill him. Clearly not the same thing and no indication of how a fight would transpire. He wasent even fighting back.
^ He retracted his claws because he was pawing his own wounds. He was surprised (and cocky over) Laura ceasing her slash attacks in favor of clumping dirt. By the time he realized why he was feeling so drained, it was too late.
This isn't an instance of Wolverine letting Laura beat him. It was an instance of Laura beating Wolverine before he realized what was going on. To hold Wolverine's inability to realize what was going on against Laura and pretend Wolverine wasn't beat is ridiculous:
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Weak-sauce. Just because Wolverine retracted his claws to paw his own wounds and figure out what Laura was doing doesn't mean Wolverine threw the fight.You can't hold it against Laura that she beat him so quickly that Wolverine only got a couple of swings in. Wolverine only got a couple of swings in because he got toppled so quickly and unexpectedly.
Stop pretending it was otherwise. Imagine yourself in a gunfight, and you're wondering why your opponent is shooting the ground around you and not at you. You realize too late that the floor is about to collapse taking you to your probable death. You put down your gun as the floor collapses. Was your action of putting down your gun at the moment you lost the fight an instance of you holding back and barely fighting back? Are you really going to pretend that you didn't just lose the fight? Yes. He was fighting back. By the time he realized what was happening, it was just too late for him to mount any counter-attack. His inability to immediately assess the critical situation he was in doesn't mean he threw the fight. It was just at that exact moment, he was done.
Except the one time that X-23 beat him.
He retracted his claws "to paw his wounds"? He was standing there and not fighting. You're trying to make it sound like he couldnt throw attacks because she was blitzing him thw whole time or something. And that's ridiculous. 😬
1) He had more than plenty of opportunities to hurt her back that he didn't take.
2) He retracted his claws because he didnt want to kill her.
3) He tried to talk to her and convince to stop fighting.
4) She even climbed on his back and he just SLAPPED her off when he could've stabbed her instead.
That's called "going all out" in your book? You seem to be so interested in proving that Logan is somehow inferior that you ignore clear facts, man. Context. Ignoring context I could prove that J Jonah Jameson can beat Spider-man in h2h. But it doesnt work that way in a comicbook vs forum. So get over it.
PS: And if I were in a gunfight I wouldnt just stand there half of the fight letting my opponent shoot me in the legs and throat. Nor would I drop my gun or slap my opponent instead of shooting him when I get the opportunity. And I sure wouldnt go "C'mone man! Enough already!" while he's shooting me in the face...
Originally posted by SamZED
"Throwing the fight" and "holding back BIG time" isnt the same thing.He retracted his claws "to paw his wounds"? He was standing there and not fighting. You're trying to make it sound like he couldnt throw attacks because she was blitzing him or something. That's ridiculous. 😬
1) He had more than plenty of opportunities to hurt her back that he didn't take.
2) He retracted his claws because he didnt want to kill her.
3) He tried to talk to her and convince to stop fighting.
4) She even climbed on his back and he just SLAPPED her off when he could've stabbed her instead.That's called "going all out" in your book? You seem to be so interested in proving that Logan is somehow inferior that you ignore clear facts, man. Context. Ignoring context I could prove that J Jonah Jameson can beat Spider-man in h2h. But it doesnt work that way in a comicbook vs forum. So get over it.
Originally posted by SamZEDi also concur
"Throwing the fight" and "holding back BIG time" isnt the same thing.He retracted his claws "to paw his wounds"? He was standing there and not fighting. You're trying to make it sound like he couldnt throw attacks because she was blitzing him or something. That's ridiculous. 😬
1) He had more than plenty of opportunities to hurt her back that he didn't take.
2) He retracted his claws because he didnt want to kill her.
3) He tried to talk to her and convince to stop fighting.
4) She even climbed on his back and he just SLAPPED her off when he could've stabbed her instead.That's called "going all out" in your book? You seem to be so interested in proving that Logan is somehow inferior that you ignore clear facts, man. Context. Ignoring context I could prove that J Jonah Jameson can beat Spider-man in h2h. But it doesnt work that way in a comicbook vs forum. So get over it.
Originally posted by SamZEDBlue Marvel and Thor throw down and trade a few punches. Thor steps back, and throws Mjolnir at Blue Marvel's head. Blue Marvel dodges it and stands with his hands at his hips pontificating about his speed and how Thor can't win the fight. Mjolnir smashes him in the back of the head on its return trip and he's so stunned that a follow-up blow lays him out.
"Throwing the fight" and "holding back BIG time" isnt the same thing.He retracted his claws "to paw his wounds"? He was standing there and not fighting. You're trying to make it sound like he couldnt throw attacks because she was blitzing him or something. That's ridiculous. 😬
1) He had more than plenty of opportunities to hurt her back that he didn't take.
2) He retracted his claws because he didnt want to kill her.
3) He tried to talk to her and convince to stop fighting.
4) She even climbed on his back and he just SLAPPED her off when he could've stabbed her instead.That's called "going all out" in your book? You seem to be so interested in proving that Logan is somehow inferior that you ignore clear facts, man. Context. Ignoring context I could prove that J Jonah Jameson can beat Spider-man in h2h. But it doesnt work that way in a comicbook vs forum. So get over it.
Blue Marvel wasn't serious about fighting and retracted his fists and wasn't attacking or fighting back? You're going to pretend that it was a non-fight and Blue Marvel never lost? It's not Thor's fault that Blue Marvel didn't figure out what was going on until it was too late. And here, it isn't Laura's fault either with Wolverine.
I'm sorry that Wolverine got taken by surprise. That doesn't excuse the fact that he lost the fight. Taking the time for typical superhero banter during a fight =/= holding back.
Don't be so obtuse.
you are claiming X-23 is the better skilled fighter and that reason alone why she won not that the other was holding back out of compassion.
you take cis into account logan is massively holding back compared to how he fights others.
Logan fights different with enemies then how he fights heroes let alone family.
X-23 snt the better skilled fighter nor could she win in a forum fight.
