Well better that than a good writer, terrible storyteller! The story is ultimately what matters when it comes to a work of fiction, with the writing only being of importance as far as what effect it has on the audience's perception of the story. In which case I think H.P. Lovecraft and Stephen King's writing serves that purpose perfectly. Reading a story is ultimately a very disengaging process: more thought and work has to go into comprehending the story than any other medium, and it takes your senses (a very powerful tool in taking information in) completely out of the process, so when a writer is able to create the experience of reading as seamless as possible, and the barrier between written word and story as thin as possible, that is when it is being well written. Which the likes of King and Lovecraft do perfectly. Something else I think Lovecraft is pretty much unique at doing is in actually creating a genuinely terrifying environment, something that no other writer has even come remotely close to doing, for me at least.
Interestingly enough the same kind of thing can be said for Drew Karpyshyn within the realm of the Star Wars EU. No other SW writer creates as seamless a reading - story experience as Drew does, which makes his writing the best for the purpose it serves, even if it isn't technically very well written.
Whoops, this was supposed to come out as:
"And by the same token Kas'im has no problem being able to at least move fast enough to meet Darth Bane's attacks head on, who himself showed domination over relatively impressive Force Users in the speed department, such as when he moved fast enough to perform a combination against someone as powerful as a prepared and battle engaged Sirak (regarded as the most powerful student at the Academy; the students themselves were regarded as the most powerful Force Users in the order) before he could react, with a physical description indicative of the greatest display of speed we've ever seen. The point being, both combatants have demonstrated the capacity to operate in a realm of speed that would overwhelm lesser but still powerful Force Users. You still haven't brought any evidence to the table that would suggest that Yoda has a vast speed advantage, or even an advantage at all."
Originally posted by NCRotCA
And by the same token Kas'im has no problem being able to at least move fast enough to meet Darth Bane's attacks head on, who himself showed domination over relatively impressive Force Users in the speed department, such as when he moved fast enough to perform a combination against someone as powerful as a prepared and battle engaged Sirak (regarded as the most powerful student at the Academy; the students themselves were regarded as the most powerful Force Users in the order) with a physical description indicative of the greatest display of speed we've ever seen. The point being, both combatants have demonstrated the capacity to operate in a realm of speed that would overwhelm lesser but still powerful Force Users.
So you're saying that because Kas'im could keep up with less powerful individuals than Yoda could. This would lead to Kas'im being faster? Where's the logic in that?
You still haven't brought any evidence to the table that would suggest that Yoda has a vast speed advantage, or even an advantage at all.
How is being able to keep up and even more with the most powerful Sith Lord not an advantage at all?
Nothing suggest that Dooku even slightly compares to Kas'im either, and it hasn't been demonstrated that Yoda's even the more skilled of the two of them.
Okay Neb, if you aren’t going to take this seriously, then I don’t see the point in continuing this. Are you honestly saying that Yoda couldn’t beat Dooku?
Well for one, it's noted that not a single Jedi in the temple had ever seen him hold a lightsaber around the time of TPM (Power of the Jedi Sourcebook, under his section), clearly indicating that he didn't spar with the other Jedi, and that he didn't value such a level of practise to partake in it, at least at that point in time. Secondly, months into the Clone Wars, when asked by another Jedi whether he wanted to spar with him, he replies saying that his battle with Dooku (AotC) was practise enough (this is in Jedi: Mace Windu), clearly indicating that his stance on the matter hadn't especially changed. Lastly, in Dark Rendezvous, it's noted that he and Mace Windu rarely left the temple, even with all the battles being waged around them, and for the battles that he did take part in, one of the roles he largely played was that of a general, not necessarily even calling his combat ability to battle, and even when he did directly participate, he still had his Force abilities to fall back on, and what lightsaber action he did see, would, with rare exception, be against a type of enemy that functions completely different from a swordsman, and as such his skills, as far as how they pertain to a lightsaber duel, likely wouldn't have been tested at all, save for the random duels he took part in against other Force Users such as Dooku in Dark Rendezvous.The point being, his more recent training and experience doesn't speak very well to how skilled he would be at the point in time in question.
Well I don’t follow up on all of the Clone Wars crap. But of the top of my head I remember Yoda in combat during RotS, the first Clone Wars mini series and then the other Clone Wars series. I didn’t say he was dueling all the way, as there were only a handful of Sith. But like Jin said, Yoda also sparred with Mace Windu and Dooku.
I agree that practice isn’t everything though. Sidious is a good example of that.
As far as all evidence suggests that he specialised in a single form and rarely practised his skills, that would be what it seems, yes.
That’s why he lacks overall ability?
So this:
"In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him [Dooku] in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective." - From Power of the Jedi Sourcebook.
Or that his skills with a lightsaber had been called second to none on the Council in Shadow Hunter indicate a lack in overall ability?
Something that isn't necessarily true, and could be indicative of a number of things.
You’re going to argue with narrative? I think most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known is pretty straightforward.
Kas'im on the other hand, not only mastered every form, but spent hours every day maintaining and improving his skills until his very death. On paper, his technical ability is more complete and versatile than Yoda's, he's more immediately familiar with the moves and combinations he'll be bringing to the table, and not only can Yoda not be said to possess anything in his arsenal that Kas'im won't be prepared for, but it's likely that he'll be unfamiliar with a large portion of what Kas'im can immediately bring.
I agree that practice isn’t everything though. Sidious is a good example of that.
You’re not really providing any proof that Kas’im is better than Yoda. Dooku also had a lot of technical ability, but that doesn’t mean he’s better than Yoda.
When you say that Yoda would be unfamiliar with a large portion of what Kas’im can bring, you’re really just ignoring Yoda’s vast amount of knowledge.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
please list for me the notable people Kas'im has beaten in a duel
I would like this answered too.
Why are you people suddenly calling me "Neb"?
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*Zampano*: 8.75
Hey Neb, have you ever read the book House of Leaves?You might enjoy it a lot. It one of my favorites.
After reading the wikipedia page this actually looks like a very cool book, and is now on my "to read next" list. The format seems like it could be very effective. I'm not really too big a fan of satire however, though horror and romance are great. Is there anything else like it at all with a similar format?
Originally posted by NCRotCA
Why are you people suddenly calling me "Neb"?After reading the wikipedia page this actually looks like a very cool book, and is now on my "to read next" list. The format seems like it could be very effective. I'm not really too big a fan of satire however, though horror and romance are great. Is there anything else like it at all with a similar format?
Because.
Bane is very possibly the greatest Sith Lord of all time, because of his incredible powers. Kas'sim was more technically skilled than Bane, and therefore obviously more technically skilled than the puny Yoda. Kas'sim was also very powerful in the force since he was able to keep from being pulverized by a force push from the mighty bane. This is obviously enough to deal with anything the puny Yoda can throw at him.