RoTS Vader vs Half-Blood Prince

Originally posted by Newjak
Couldn't Anakin just crush Snape like he was doing to all those machines and canisters at the end of the movie when Sidious told him Padme was dead.

It is ROTS Anakin and since he ahd lost his limbs a weaker version.

Also couldn't Anakin simply use the force to knock Snape's wand out of his hand.

Plus I bet a lightsaber could block the standard projectile spells of Wizards.

And Snape can do the same to Vaders saber.

Bet away, never was the force shown blocking magical spells. Screen feats only.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Snape was able to enter Harry's mind and render him useless. Harry was little more than a fish flopping around on the pavement. It will have the same effect on Vader. Anakin/Vader is a sucker for emotions, legilimens will likely have an even greater effect on him.

"Fry his brain" was a figure of speech. As Vader is rendered useless, Snape administers avada kedavra. Vader literally has no chance here.

Nope, that was a post-suit Vader feat. AND he only accomplished it because he was devastated at Padme's death. And, if we go strictly by screen feats, AND the OP, Vader's force choke is no stronger than it was on Padme. Even if it was, he never crushed someone's windpipe, killing them instantly. not ever. Never.

Read the OP, Vader here is as he was BEFORE the suit.

So......As I said before......Vader force chokes Snape, Snape death spells him.

Nice try though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes to all counts.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
This is Vader before he was BBQed. Vader uses the Force and lightsaber and Half-Blood gets his wand and magic. Who emerges victorious?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWDUyYQGHMY

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Right over your head, I see.

How about it? Is it ridiculous to say that Snape, an OOTP member, a former death eater and Voldemort/Dumbledore's #2, cannot apparate?

Of course I think he can apparate. I'm just pointing to the other side of the coin here. We can't assume Anakin can't do things, just because he doesn't on the big screen, despite having years of experience under his belt, between the 2nd and 3rd movie.

While apparating is a huge advantage that Snape has, it is primarily a defensive power. And I have to say, it looks awesome in the movies. It's one of my favorite aspects of the Potter movies and one of the few things I enjoy more in the movies, than in the books. However, Snape will eventually have to face Anakin. Too assume that Anakin is going to sit still and take everything that Snape throws at him, is silly. He will dodge, block (with lightsaber, if possible, with objects, if not), and move faster than Snape can follow. He will tire Snape out, long before he gets tired. He might be brash and head strong, but he is an accomplished warrior, with years of experience. He will use his environment to his advantage, just as Snape will. In the end, I, personally, think Anakin has an edge. Not much of one, but an edge none the less.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No. That was a post-suit Vader feat. Read the OP.

And Snape can do the same to Vaders saber.

Bet away, never was the force shown blocking magical spells. Screen feats only.

And Anakin is faster than Snape. So I would think Anakin would be able to knock Snape's wand away instead of the other way around. Plus Anakin can use the force to keep it tethered to his hand or bring it back immediately.

Lightsabers have been shown to block all kinds of energy based attacks. Known feats include blaster fire and lightning

Spells in Harry Potter have been known to be blocked and reflected by things other than magic. Known instances include rocks, walls.

Lightsaber >>> rocks

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Um, no to all counts. The OP:

See? Post suit Vader. Don't go giving feats to pre suit Vader that do not exist.

Originally posted by Serious Impact
Of course I think he can apparate. I'm just pointing to the other side of the coin here. We can't assume Anakin can't do things, just because he doesn't on the big screen, despite having years of experience under his belt, between the 2nd and 3rd movie.

As for the rest, carry on, I'll reply as I see fit.

Originally posted by Serious Impact
Of course I think he can apparate. I'm just pointing to the other side of the coin here. We can't assume Anakin can't do things, just because he doesn't on the big screen, despite having years of experience under his belt, between the 2nd and 3rd movie.

While apparating is a huge advantage that Snape has, it is primarily a defensive power. And I have to say, it looks awesome in the movies. It's one of my favorite aspects of the Potter movies and one of the few things I enjoy more in the movies, than in the books. However, Snape will eventually have to face Anakin. Too assume that Anakin is going to sit still and take everything that Snape throws at him, is silly. He will dodge, block (with lightsaber, if possible, with objects, if not), and move faster than Snape can follow. He will tire Snape out, long before he gets tired. He might be brash and head strong, but he is an accomplished warrior, with years of experience. He will use his environment to his advantage, just as Snape will. In the end, I, personally, think Anakin has an edge. Not much of one, but an edge none the less.

The Weasley twins don't seem to get tired of endlessly apparating, so, no, Snape will not get worn out. In fact, no one is shown getting tired from apparating.

Rescript the fight, knowing that new fact.

Edit - I'd like to point out that Anakin was more poweful and faster in his human form than his suited form.

Let's not forget about that, shall we?

Originally posted by Newjak
Once again that was ROTS Anakin just after he got fried. He is in fact weaker since he just got fried.

And Anakin is faster than Snape. So I would think Anakin would be able to knock Snape's wand away instead of the other way around. Plus Anakin can use the force to keep it tethered to his hand or bring it back immediately.

Lightsabers have been shown to block all kinds of energy based attacks. Known feats include blaster fire and lightning

Spells in Harry Potter have been known to be blocked and reflected by things other than magic. Known instances include rocks, walls.

Lightsaber >>> rocks

OK then. Vader disarms Snape. He force chokes Snape. Snape accio's his wand, death spells Vader.

It's quite simple, really. If they are standing there, hands at their sides, it takes about the same time for Snape to raise his spell and cast spells as it does for Vader to cast a force attack.

BTW: Vader cannot force choke AND disarm Snape at the same time.

Originally posted by Newjak
All that means is before he was in the suit he could do it that much easier since he was stronger then.

Padme speaks!!! Yeah!!!!!!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
BTW: Vader cannot force choke AND disarm Snape at the same time.

If Vader was played by Willem Dafoe, he could. uhuh

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Snape was able to enter Harry's mind and render him useless. Harry was little more than a fish flopping around on the pavement. It will have the same effect on Vader. Anakin/Vader is a sucker for emotions, legilimens will likely have an even greater effect on him.

Snape says in that scene that all one needs to do to dispell legilimency is 'concentrate' and 'focus' and resist with pure willpower. Considering Vader has enough willpower to still try to attack Kenobi after all his limbs have been cut off and he's been set on fire Vader's got that part covered. Plus he has the advantage of being familiar with telepathy.

Also, you have no idea how many youtube occulmency lessions have been made into disturbing Snape/Harry video's. Or how many post's of 'Snape penetrate my mind plz!' I've just read. 😘

"Fry his brain" was a figure of speech. As Vader is rendered useless, Snape administers avada kedavra. Vader literally has no chance here.

Snape keeps his wand on Harry throughout the scene. There's nothing that suggest that he'll be able to cast another spell while using leglimency.

Nope, that was a post-suit Vader feat. AND he only accomplished it because he was devastated at Padme's death.

Vader is bloodlusted by forum rules, so he has just as much anger as in that scene. Good try though.

And, if we go strictly by screen feats, AND the OP, Vader's force choke is no stronger than it was on Padme. Even if it was, he never crushed someone's windpipe, killing them instantly. not ever. Never.

He crushed something 300,000 times harder than steel. But of course a simple windpipe is above him.🙄

Read the OP, Vader here is as he was BEFORE the suit.

And he's WEAKER in that scene. And still, theres only so much power being pissed can give you. Unless Vader grew 300,000 times more powerful, he can crush a ****ing windpipe.

So......As I said before......Vader force chokes Snape, Snape death spells him.

Nice try though.

My tries are always nice. That is why I win.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What was the high end feat of Vader's force choke BEFORE he was burned? See the vid I posted.

Padme speaks!!! Yeah!!!!!!

You've pwned this argument so hard, I do not know why it continues.

Still, I've gotten lulz from some of the posts, especially when Nephthys
is being a smart*ss. 😆 Good times.

Forget the apparating. Snape doesn't need it. Death spell ends Vader. Hell, Snape can even let Vader force choke him for a few seconds, give him false hope, then death spell his ass.

Lol, Harry dodges death spells. Good luck hitting Vader with one!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, Harry dodges death spells. Good luck hitting Vader with one!

Well, it looks like the HP chosen one is better than the Star Wars chosen one, eh? awesome

OK then. Vader disarms Snape. He force chokes Snape. Snape accio's his wand, death spells Vader.

It's quite simple, really. If they are standing there, hands at their sides, it takes about the same time for Snape to raise his spell and cast spells as it does for Vader to cast a force attack.

BTW: Vader cannot force choke AND disarm Snape at the same time.

In the vid, Vader crushes those droids without moving a muscle. Whoops there goes that theory!

Well, it looks like the HP chosen one is better than the Star Wars chosen one, eh?

Harry has the power of disturbing slash fanfiction on his side. That is a rediculous amount of power focused in one (underage) boy.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK then. Vader disarms Snape. He force chokes Snape. Snape accio's his wand, death spells Vader.

It's quite simple, really. If they are standing there, hands at their sides, it takes about the same time for Snape to raise his spell and cast spells as it does for Vader to cast a force attack.

BTW: Vader cannot force choke AND disarm Snape at the same time.

So Anakin disarms him and Force Pushes him so hard into a wall he breaks every bone in his body. Or he just Force pushes from the beginning before Snape has a chance to do anything.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Snape says in that scene that all one needs to do to dispell legilimency is 'concentrate' and 'focus' and resist with pure willpower. Considering Vader has enough willpower to still try to attack Kenobi after all his limbs have been cut off and he's been set on fire Vader's got that part covered. Plus he has the advantage of being familiar with telepathy.

Also, you have no idea how many youtube occulmency lessions have been made into disturbing Snape/Harry video's. Or how many post's of 'Snape penetrate my mind plz!' I've just read. 😘

Snape keeps his wand on Harry throughout the scene. There's nothing that suggest that he'll be able to cast another spell while using leglimency.

Vader is bloodlusted by forum rules, so he has just as much anger as in that scene. Good try though.

He crushed something 300,000 times harder than steel. But of course a simple windpipe is above him.🙄

And he's WEAKER in that scene. And still, theres only so much power being pissed can give you. Unless Vader grew 300,000 times more powerful, he can crush a ****ing windpipe.

My tries are always nice. That is why I win.

Pack it in, dude, you're done here.

Snape death spells Vader. There's nothing Vader can do about it. Force choke takes a bit of time to kill, time that Vader does not have.

And no, Vader never, not ever, displayed TK strength that would crush someone's windpipe instantly. If Padme can speak while being force choked, Snape can too.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
The Weasley twins don't seem to get tired of endlessly apparating, so, no, Snape will not get worn out. In fact, no one is shown getting tired from apparating.

Rescript the fight, knowing that new fact.

Edit - I'd like to point out that Anakin was more poweful and faster in his human form than his suited form.

Let's not forget about that, shall we?

So, nobody gets tired while using magic? They don't endlessly apparate over and over again, while fighting. Yes, in the movies there are plenty of wizards apparating all over the place, but the fights only lasted a few minutes. I think a fight between Anakin and Snape would go on for quite a while and we don't know the effects of continuously apparating in a long, drawn out battle. We do know that Anakin has fought in long battles, lasting well over a few minutes, and kept going strong. I think Anakin wins in the endurance department.

As for Snape rendering Anakin useless by attacking his mind. Umm...What's to stop Anakin from using the force first to tell Snape to "Stop, don't talk, don't move"? If we can assume Snape can do all these things (because he does it to a helpless teenager), Anakin has shown in the Clone Wars that he can use the force to manipulate peoples minds.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You've pwned this argument so hard, I do not know why it continues.

Still, I've gotten lulz from some of the posts, especially when Nephthys
is being a smart*ss. 😆 Good times.

All he is saying is a stronger version of Anakin can not do something a weaker version of Anakin did even though they have the same skill set and experience.

That logically makes no sense at all.