Omega Red vs the Warrior Three

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You already saw that physical strength's got nothing to do with spores working or not. False distinction. And yet, Jono has a lifeforce. Still can't be absorbed. It establishes that Omega Red has a power. Not that it would work against anybody. At this point, you're just not understanding what a negative proof fallacy is and relying, unfortunately, on a no limit fallacy. This argument has exhausted itself. We're arguing in circles.

Either you get it, or you don't. We don't have to prove the spores would never work against Asgardians. You have to prove they do. The spores already have limitations on-panel against certain types of lifeforce. And gods already throw mutant powers out of whack arbitrarily. We don't have to prove the spores would never work against Asgardians. You have to prove they do.

Your argument is pretty much "show me them working on gods or they dont" WI can't provide evidence of something that has never happen. However I can argue that them working on being like colossus would lend to the arguement that it should work on the warrior three, who have never been suggested to have any special immunities to life drain. They could, but it never been shown nor suggested. So yes it impossible to know for sure until it happens, however I believe based on the individual he has absorb would indicate more so, that he can then can't.

^ Frankly, you're missing the point.

Because your admonition that I am forcing you to come up with evidence that doesn't exist can rightly be thrown back at your face. Because you're simultaneously insisting that I show the Warriors Three resisting death spores which is something that never happened either obviously.

Yet, you're the one who is arguing it would work while the rest of us are asking for proof in the first place. We're not trying to argue it would never work, so don't ask us for proof thereof. You can't sit on your hands and offer non-proof as an argument to bolster a proposition that something would be more likely than not. It's rank speculation until then. And hiding behind a no limit fallacy to avoid this negative proof fallacy isn't working. Neither is avoiding the fact that godly natures throw mutant powers out of whack arbitrarily, even life-force absorbing ones.

This argument is done. You don't understand that you haven't proven anything yet. I don't have to argue against a non-assertion.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And yet, Jono has a lifeforce. Still can't be absorbed.

He is ambient psychic energy with a consciousness, any correlation or similarities he might have to the life force of a physical being is purely speculative... if there is any to begin with. Omega failing to drain Chamber doesn't add any credence to the Warriors Three being able to do the same.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is ambient psychic energy with a consciousness, any correlation or similarities he might have to the life force of a physical being is purely speculative... if there is any to begin with. Omega failing to drain Chamber doesn't add any credence to the Warriors Three being able to do the same.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, it just shows that Omega Red can't absorb certain types of lifeforce and it has nothing to do with the potency of the lifeforce. Thus blunting any sort of correlation to strength of lifeforce argument you guys have been offering, i.e., the Colossus > Volstagg argument, and dispelling any reliance on no limit fallacy argumentation.

I think the difference is that Jono's life force was converted into psychic energy, and was no longer something that Red was capable of metabolizing. It's proof he can't absorb different types of energy... but that is something we already knew. We know he can't drain trees or plant life, it has to be a physically entity.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Frankly, you're missing the point.

Because your admonition that I am forcing you to come up with evidence that doesn't exist can rightly be thrown back at your face. Because you're simultaneously insisting that I show the Warriors Three resisting death spores which is something that never happened either obviously.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Neither is avoiding the fact that godly natures throw mutant powers out of whack arbitrarily, even life-force absorbing ones.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

This argument is done. You don't understand that you haven't proven anything yet. I don't have to argue against a non-assertion.

I understand perfectly, and I never implied you did. I simply gave my opinion.

I believe red absorbing individuals like colossus, lends me to believe he absorb the warrior three just fine.

I also believe rogue being inconsistent against other Gods (and mutants) then the warrior three, has no baring on Red.

That is my opinion dislike it, if you will, but I simply believe it more likely red powers will work then vice versa.

Finale part is that in my opinion Colossus is far more akin to warrior three, then to chamber, who is made up of pure pychic energy.

I'm done arguing this. I can only point out so many times that you're forcing a negative proof fallacy on this argument. Either prove it can work or don't. That's not being done. At all.

^ 😂

Originally posted by King Castle
no, i am saying dont use thor to make your argument. just like we dont use X-man, Legion, Apocalypse for the poster child for a benchmark for all mutants.

there is a clear difference in each individual that is not shared by the norm mutant population same for the nor asgardian are nowhere near thor.

if you have to use some one use lady Sif, Valkyrie and the like to represent their class and tier not a trans lvl like being

Thor is the only Asgardian that I know of that's taken a radiation based attack. and since being immune to radiation is a physical trait rather than an actual power, the other Asgardians should share it, some might have a lower resistance and some might have an even higher resistance.

Like Hemidall has better senses and I believe Balder is supposed to be faster.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm done arguing this. I can only point out so many times that you're forcing a negative proof fallacy on this argument. Either prove it can work or don't. That's not being done. At all.

It works on Colossus and every reason provided for it not working on The Warriors Three is applicable to Colossus... only on a much larger scale. So why would the Warriors Three be more resistance to Arkady then Colossus when he is better than them in every conceivable way? All there is in opposition is pointless hypothesizing that "gods" should be resistant because they are "gods"... but that ignores than not of the innate abilities they posses have helped anyone else Red has encountered.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It works on Colossus and every reason provided for it not working on The Warriors Three is applicable to Colossus... only on a much larger scale. So why would the Warriors Three be more resistance to Arkady then Colossus when he is better than them in every conceivable way? All there is in opposition is pointless hypothesizing that "gods" should be resistant because they are "gods"... but that ignores than not of the innate abilities they posses have helped anyone else Red has encountered.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It works on Colossus and every reason provided for it not working on The Warriors Three is applicable to Colossus... only on a much larger scale. So why would the Warriors Three be more resistance to Arkady then Colossus when he is better than them in every conceivable way? All there is in opposition is pointless hypothesizing that "gods" should be resistant because they are "gods"... but that ignores than not of the innate abilities they posses have helped anyone else Red has encountered.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it should not have worked on colossus. It was PIS.

It's worked on Colossus three times...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's worked on Colossus three times...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except the part about Colossus' lifeforce still being human (well human mutant) whereas the Warriors are Gods...

Which is nothing but an arbitrary distinction. Colossus doesn't eat. He doesn't tire. He doesn't sleep. He doesn't breath. All of which Asgardians have to do. By all accounts Colossus has greater life force than any Asgardian, the fact they call themselves "gods" doesn't change anything.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except the part about Colossus' lifeforce still being human (well human mutant) whereas the Warriors are Gods...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only time Omega Red's powers have failed was on Jono, and that was because he was a disembodied psionic entity.

I dont recall Red's powers not being able to work on Chamber. He just didnt use them. Well at least not the Death Factor. I havent read the book in over a year, but correct me if im wrong.

^ They didn't work. Skin mentions that's exactly why Omega Red tossed Jono into the water rather than fight him.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It works on Colossus and every reason provided for it not working on The Warriors Three is applicable to Colossus... only on a much larger scale. So why would the Warriors Three be more resistance to Arkady then Colossus when he is better than them in every conceivable way? All there is in opposition is pointless hypothesizing that "gods" should be resistant because they are "gods"... but that ignores than not of the innate abilities they posses have helped anyone else Red has encountered.

Why were they immune to these mutant powers somehow? Because they were gods. That's exactly the reason given. Arbitrary? Yes. On-panel tho? Definitely. Sorry if you can't get over that fact. Sorry you have to rely on false distinctions because you're caught between a negative proof fallacy and a no limit fallacy.

You're arguing in circles and ending up with forcing a negative proof fallacy over and over again. Warriors Three pummel the crap out of Omega Red with their numbers and weapons. Death spores taking them out is pure speculation until proven otherwise. Colossus/Iceman/Wolverine =/= Volstagg/Hogun/Fandrall. Omega Red's powers do not have no limit. Godly natures have no-sold mutant powers randomly on-panel in several situations, even life-force absorbing ones.

We don't have to prove they could never work. You have to prove they would work. That's all there is to it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Which is nothing but an arbitrary distinction. Colossus doesn't eat. He doesn't tire. He doesn't sleep. He doesn't breath. All of which Asgardians have to do. By all accounts Colossus has greater life force than any Asgardian, the fact they call themselves "gods" doesn't change anything.

It's not an arbitrary distinction, Asgardians are a completely different species/race(whatever) from humans.

Originally posted by Starscream M
death spores or life suck? I meant death spores should not affect colossus.

Death spores and life drain are the same ability just focused through his tentacles instead of spread around an area of effect.