Originally posted by Silent MasterSince the last comic appereantly not anymore, the more often he gets drained the better get his resistances and his HF also appereantly can't be taxed anymore.
No, but even normal people heal and can recover from illness/weakness etc. It's just that Wolverine does it faster.
the only argument we have hear is the bio statement and that doesnt hold water b/c Colossus and Wolverine are both stated to be immune to earthly diseases as well that doesnt mean they cant be poison and weaken by disease.
just because you are immune to a disease doesnt mean you cant die if your body is permeated with poisons/virus, bacteria or spores... one would thing it would still disrupt bodily functions regardless of immunity.
Originally posted by King CastleShe also failed to absorb Loki. So she's 1 for 3 actually.
the Ares moment was contradictory to her already having past moments of absorbing Thor, and Jugg poor analogy.
Originally posted by King CastleSpecte can be tired, weaken, exhausted within moments of battle also. Doesn't mean crap. So could Jonothon Starsmore on-panel. Didn't mean crap to him when he fought Omega Red.
besides we know the asgardian gods can be tired, weaken, exhausted within moments of battle that itself shows they can be physically drained independent of Omega Red by their own bodies physical limit and fatigue so we know they can be drained.
Originally posted by King CastleI'm not going to make your argument for you.
now why wouldnt they be effected to the death spores and the psionic/radiation field that omega radiates?after all Daken has effected them with his pheromones and simply being immune to earthly diseases doesnt mean they are immune to poisons and host of things that are not natural in nature some being modern mutations and powers of individuals
Daken affected Ares. And Ares resisted Rogue. And Phobos resisted a stone-stare from Gorgon. Obviously, these attacks aren't guaranteed on any sort of sliding scale when it comes to gods. I shouldn't have to bolster the idea that you're trying to force a negative fallacy onto me. But you inadvertently have. Pleading from ignorance isn't helping your case. Pointing out how these mutant powers end up working/failing rather arbitrarily when applied to gods isn't helping your case.
Originally posted by King Castle
the only argument we have hear is the bio statement and that doesnt hold water b/c Colossus and Wolverine are both stated to be immune to earthly diseases as well that doesnt mean they cant be poison and weaken by disease.just because you are immune to a disease doesnt mean you cant die if your body is permeated with poisons/virus, bacteria or spores... one would thing it would still disrupt bodily functions regardless of immunity.
Wolverine isn't immune, he just heals from it and Colossus' immunity comes from not having flesh and blood in his steel form. IOW, it's not the same kind of immunity.
Originally posted by Silent Masterthat's my point. each have their version of immunity and yet the argument is they are gods their life force must be greater without evidence to support it can resist the Pheromones, they are gods they are immune. etc etc
Wolverine isn't immune, he just heals from it and Colossus' immunity comes from not having flesh and blood in his steel form. IOW, it's not the same kind of immunity.
^ It doesn't necessarily have to do with the lifeforce being greater. Jonothon Starsmore's complete immunity doesn't mean he has an exponentially stronger lifeforce than Wolverine's. Jonothon was, at one point, so drained he couldn't blast Omega Red. This didn't change that he was still utterly immune.
You're conflating the probability of effect with potency of resistance. You haven't even proven the former. Stop conflating the latter to avoid having to argue from a position of non-proof.
Originally posted by King Castle
that's my point. each have their version of immunity and yet the argument is they are gods their life force must be greater without evidence to support it can resist the Pheromones.
Their life force is greater because it's allowed them to live for thousands of years and be immune to Earthly diseases.
Wolverine and Colossus' "immunities" are a function of their powers and not their life force.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Galactus is an abstract being, he isn't bound to the same set of rules.
Galactus is a physical being that is alive. A scene here and there doesn't contradict the way his portrayed more often than not.
Again, would he not be able to drain Galactus as he falls under your criteria? What about the Uatu, Odin etc.?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It doesn't necessarily have to do with the lifeforce being greater. Jonothon Starsmore's complete immunity doesn't mean he has an exponentially stronger lifeforce than Wolverine's. Jonothon was, at one point, so drained he couldn't blast Omega Red. It didn't change that he was utterly immune.You're conflating the probability of effect with potency of resistance. You haven't even proven the former. Stop conflating the latter to avoid havign to argue from a position of non-proof.
I'm not sure what side of the fence you are on... the wording of your posts is very neutral.
He couldn't drain Jono, because Chamber was a psychic entity.
Originally posted by Silent Mastertheir longevity is dependent on the golden apple not their life force nor is it the reason for their earthly immunity no more than it is for a mouse and monkey to be immune to certain diseases that would otherwise effect us humans.
Their life force is greater because it's allowed them to live for thousands of years and be immune to Earthly diseases.Wolverine and Colossus' "immunities" are a function of their powers and not their life force.
so you basically are saying immortality/longevity is tied to life force so do you believe that Mr. Immortal would not be effected by Omega Red nor would Deadpool?
Originally posted by srankmissingninI'm saying that there's no proof Omega Red's mutant ability would work. Mutant powers succeed/fail in wholly arbitrary manners on-panel when applied against gods. So the burden of proof is fairly and squarely on you to prove it would work, not on us that it could never work.
I'm not sure what side of the fence you are on... the wording of your posts is very neutral.He couldn't drain Jono, because Chamber was a psychic entity.
Jono still had "lifeforce." Obviously Omega Red already has on-panel limits when it comes to certain types of lifeforce. Had Omega Red absorbed the lifeforce from psychic entities, cosmic beings, mutants, humans, demigods, artificial life-forms, demonic entities, etc. and not shown any limits so far concerning certain types of lifeforce, there'd be a better argument that godly lifeforce shouldn't present an issue. That's not the situation here.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
She also failed to absorb Loki. So she's 1 for 3 actually.
also who are the 3?
I not 100% certain, but I believe Rougue absorbed the energy off all the combatants in Context of champions 2 which included Hercules and Thor.
Originally posted by King Castle
their longevity is dependent on the golden apple not their life force nor is it the reason for their earthly immunity no more than it is for a mouse and monkey to be immune to certain diseases that would otherwise effect us humans.so you basically are saying immortality/longevity is tied to life force so do you believe that Mr. Immortal would not be effected by Omega Red nor would Deadpool?
No, their "immortality" is dependent on the apples, without them they are still long-lived and their immunity to diseases has never been attributed to simply being a different race.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Galactus is a physical being that is alive. A scene here and there doesn't contradict the way his portrayed more often than not.Again, would he not be able to drain Galactus as he falls under your criteria? What about the Uatu, Odin etc.?
He is alive and requires sustenance... but his physically body is just a representation that the mind applies to him. I think Thor would have better luck with energy absorption with Mjolnir than Red would. Arkady would have as much success draining Galactus as he would a tree.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ X-Men vs Alpha Flight #2. She completely fizzled.Thor, Ares, Loki.
Hercules was not immortal Hercules at the time.
True, he was only part god.
When did she fail to absorb thor?
I need to red read that issue. Is that the one were they "heal" some of the x-men, but really it merely it a trick?
Originally posted by Silent Masterthey are simply immune the same way we are immune to the various diseases on the planet that only effect animals and not humans unless you think they have been infected in the past and build a biological immunity which would not make them immune but resistant
No, their "immortality" is dependent on the apples, without them they are still long-lived and their immunity to diseases has never been attributed to simply being a different race.