Originally posted by OneDumbG0
except your problem is your using a single character who inconsistent with mutants as well as if it pertains to the warriors' three when it does not. Congrats. You're baiting me into proving a negative again as if my not proving the negative somehow bolsters your own arguments. Hint: it doesn't.
except he not inconsistent with mutants. Failing one time against a being of pure energy is far from inconsistent.
I not baiting anything, I simply not like your self buying into the fact there immune becuase there gods.
IMHO, the spores/life suck should work. Now how fast it would work is another story.
1) What are his tendrils/tentacles made of? If they Vibranium on up, WTH would the W3 do if he latched on to them and started draining/constricting? Could they even break or damage them?
2) If he's really Thing level strength, isn't he already stronger than any of the W3?
I'm holding off on the win/lose ratio till I get a good answer on the above questions.
And people shouldn't use Thor as an example of anything regarding "typical" Asgardians. His mother was Gaia an Elder Goddess and she's not Asgardian. So Thor is only half Asgardian.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove that life-force isn't a form a pyshic energy.
Psionic energy is the energy that facilitates psychokinesis and other meta-physical abilities. What life force is should be pretty self explainable based on the name (hint: it's the force responsible for life). They aren't interchangeable, there is no tangible relation between one or the other.
Thing with Red, is that he has the ability to drain "life force". Chamber was able to resist the phermones cause he doesnt need to breathe. If Red did apply the actual life drain via tentacles and it didnt work, it may be because Chamber didnt have a life force(which some have speculated). Or maybe he started to, but stopped when taunted by Chamber and allowing him to "recharge" for the blast.
Although warrior three may not be susceptible to the airborne virus(which i wouldnt doubt), i dont see them being immune something that may drain their life force. Resisting it longer than most? More likely. Being immune, id doubt it.
IMO.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin\
Psionic energy is the energy that facilitates psychokinesis and other meta-physical abilities. What life force is should be pretty self explainable based on the name (hint: it's the force responsible for life). They aren't interchangeable, there is no tangible relation between one or the other.
Where is your proof?
Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO, the spores/life suck [b]should work. Now how fast it would work is another story.1) What are his tendrils/tentacles made of? If they Vibranium on up, WTH would the W3 do if he latched on to them and started draining/constricting? Could they even break or damage them?
2) If he's really Thing level strength, isn't he already stronger than any of the W3?
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1. they are made of Carbon adamantium aka carbonadium. only if believe they can exert more force than Colossus or Ironman armor.
2. his strength increases by the amount of life force he can drain in the immediate vicinity. his bio has him at 10 tons iirc but he has shown without the use of siphoning to be strong enough to punch ironman's armor and grip him with his coils.
Originally posted by King Castle
1. they are made of Carbon adamantium aka carbonadium. only if believe they can exert more force than Colossus or Ironman armor.2. his strength increases by the amount of life force he can drain in the immediate vicinity. his bio has him at 10 tons iirc but he has shown without the use of siphoning to be strong enough to punch ironman's armor and grip him with his coils.
Good grief, an adamantium alloy?! Colossus couldn't break out? Then none of the W3 should be able to either. He dwarfs them in terms of physical stats.
His 'base' strength is kinda lowish. Maybe if they got the jump on him and piled on real fast they have a very good chance.
How's his damage soak? Does he have a healing factor?
So far this is too close to call.
Originally posted by zopzop
Good grief, an adamantium alloy?! Colossus couldn't break out? Then none of the W3 should be able to either. He dwarfs them in terms of physical stats.His 'base' strength is kinda lowish. Maybe if they got the jump on him and piled on real fast they have a very good chance.
How's his damage soak? Does he have a healing factor?
So far this is too close to call.
Strong enough to where Wolvie couldnt cut them. If they were to actually touch his body, it may activate the life drain. Huge damage soak and healing factor.
OneDumbGo and Pr are actually right in what they say that the onus of proof is on the people saying it would work.
Neither are actually saying it won't work, they're simply stating you need to prove it would.
Like if I'm accused of doing something, it's not really up to me to prove I didn't do it, the onus is on the accuser to prove I did.
I'm just amazed this has gone on to page 19!
I think the argument of it won't work because they'e Gods has long since passed, most seem to think that it actually would but the length of time in which it would take to work is debatable.
It really is going around in circles right now and not going anywhere as the same arguments are being recycled and used again and again.
Originally posted by Silent Masterlife force is usually tied to a biological organism which Chamber is no longer. same way that Shadow king, X-Man, is and i dont know how it is you are incapable of seeing this.
\Where is your proof?
if you read generation X comic you would see that Chamber is not a physical being nor is he effected by certain things other are.
aside from that you havent shown how the asgardians are even remotely similar to Chamber and have bn posting the same post over and over.. there is nothing to prove it is self evident. what the hell do you want some one to show you?
that he isnt a life force.. yes, he is alive in the sense that he is pure consciousness but has no biological tie to the material world and manipulates psionic energy and a higher scale than emma or Xavier. he can actually manipulate the energy to give it some coherence to inhabit his skin body which wasnt even his original body after he blew up and reformed a new one for himself simply by himself visualizing himself of what he feels comfortable appearing as.
how the hell do you make any type of comparison
Originally posted by King Castle
life force is usually tied to a biological organism which Chamber is no longer. same way that Shadow king, X-Man, is and i dont know how it is you are incapable of seeing this.if you read generation X comic you would see that Chamber is not a physical being nor is he effected by certain things other are.
aside from that you havent shown how the asgardians are even remotely similar to Chamber and have bn posting the same post over and over.. there is nothing to prove it is self evident. what the hell do you want some one to show you?
that he isnt a life force.. yes, he is alive in the sense that he is pure consciousness but has no biological tie to the material world and manipulates psionic energy and a higher scale than emma or Xavier. he can actually manipulate the energy to give it some coherence to inhabit his skin body which wasnt even his original body after he blew up and reformed a new one for himself simply by himself visualizing himself of what he feels comfortable appearing as.
how the hell do you make any type of comparison
In what Marvel comic was it stated that Jono doesn't have a life force?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Becasue it hasn't been proven how well(if at all) the drain would work on the Warriors Three.
Nearly indestructible tendrils/tentacles, healing factor, excellent durability PLUS the death spores and life drain? It's pretty much over.
The life draining is just the icing on the cake.
Originally posted by zopzop
Nearly indestructible tendrils/tentacles, healing factor, excellent durability PLUS the death spores and life drain? It's pretty much over.The life draining is just the icing on the cake.
The life drain that might not work well(if at all) on the Warriors Three and his unamped strength is below that of the Warriors.
Originally posted by BigSidi agree.
OneDumbGo and Pr are actually right in what they say that the onus of proof is on the people saying it would work.Neither are actually saying it won't work, they're simply stating you need to prove it would.
Like if I'm accused of doing something, it's not really up to me to prove I didn't do it, the onus is on the accuser to prove I did.
I'm just amazed this has gone on to page 19!
I think the argument of it won't work because they'e Gods has long since passed, most seem to think that it actually would but the length of time in which it would take to work is debatable.
It really is going around in circles right now and not going anywhere as the same arguments are being recycled and used again and again.
the argument should be how long they can resist it which i dont think they can resist it anymore than Colossus or Wolvie if Omega actively activated and wasnt playing around.
the prove that it needs to be shown working on a god is a hail mary deflection b/c at the end of the day we use what we have seen to reach a certain lvl of probability on the effects one another in a forum fight. what he have seen it appears his powers do work it is up to the other side to show The Warrior three resisting a power siphon which by the way the wrecking siphoned them almost immediately and had no real resistance other than thor who helped turn the tide. had he not bn present they would have gone down iirc.
Originally posted by Silent Masterin what comic was it stated he does?
In what Marvel comic was it stated that Jono doesn't have a life force?
does it need to be explicitly stated for you, do they need to hold your hand for you and explain the function of every power b/c you cant grasp its concept?
there is no scans stating as such by i am sure i can find others with similar powers where a life force siphon attack has shown to fail due to their psionic nature and probably stated by narration. would that be enough for you?