Omega Red vs the Warrior Three

Originally posted by King Castle
you are correct but it has also been shown to be the opposite and stated his body is simply an image of how he views himself , he has had talks about it with Sync when he attempted to repair himself..Pretty sure Sean even talked about it as well and Jono more than once it was said in the GenX it was simply his inability to realize what he really was and was subconsciously giving himself weaknesses he didnt possess.

he even blow up and had his psionic energy spread out and he simply reminded himself that he was already a psionic being and simply had to view himself as a phsyical being as he remade himself...

The fact that he recreates his body and form shows he isn't just pure psionic energy.

Originally posted by King Castle
the whole losing his power i cant recall but i do remember it happening. iirc it had to do with house of M for the depowerment and him being hooked up to machines but i find that be questionable circumstances..

i have to go for now, nice talking to you without the constant name calling and insult. bye.

Back-handed insult. Nice.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So prove Chamber's form has nothing to do with life force.

take the goddamn compliment and appreciation without some negative retort..jr_shakefist

^ Never. crackers

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No, becuase he also been drain by people like rogue.

I need a scan or issue and title.

Just adding in my few cents to this.

Yes simply stating the W3 are gods is not a good argument when comparing a fight to mortals.

They are 'weaker' then some people who have fought Omega Red.

But one does need to understand the perks that come with being a god. They may not always be the most powerful but they do operate differently then mortals. It's that simple. Just because Colossus maybe stronger and maybe more resistant to conventional attacks does not mean things that work on him will work on the W3.

The W3 as 'gods', extra-dimensional beings or whatever you want to call them operate differently then standard walking heroes.

This has been shown on panel. Look at Ares most people would argue whether he could take Colossus w/o his axe. But Ares still operates differently the Pitor. His life-force is different, he sees the world differently, and he can interact with it differently.

Twice now we've seen Gods able to attack and physically open barriers in space because they could perceive the spots. Ares has done, and Thor recently did it.

Their life-forces are just different than that of other beings. Each of the Asgardians has a bit of the OF in their life energy. They can have hearts removed but if they put them back they are ok. They each have a little something extra that someone like Colossus or Rouge simply aren't gonna have, regardless of whether you think those two can beat the W3 in a fight or not.

Despite what certain people would have you believe, Nobody has actually tried to argue that the spores wont work just because the Warriors Three are gods, they’ve argued that as Asgardian gods/extra-dimensional beings they have a different biology than normal humans and it’s that different biology that calls the effectiveness of the spores into question. If nothing else, logically speaking the longer the life span of someone, the longer it should take to drain their life-force.

Think of it this way, take two tanks. One that holds 95 gallons of water and the other holds 3000 gallons, now hook up identical pumps to each tank. Which tank will empty first?

Originally posted by Newjak
Just adding in my few cents to this.

Yes simply stating the W3 are gods is not a good argument when comparing a fight to mortals.

They are 'weaker' then some people who have fought Omega Red.

But one does need to understand the perks that come with being a god. They may not always be the most powerful but they do operate differently then mortals. It's that simple. Just because Colossus maybe stronger and maybe more resistant to conventional attacks does not mean things that work on him will work on the W3.

The W3 as 'gods', extra-dimensional beings or whatever you want to call them operate differently then standard walking heroes.

This has been shown on panel. Look at Ares most people would argue whether he could take Colossus w/o his axe. But Ares still operates differently the Pitor. His life-force is different, he sees the world differently, and he can interact with it differently.

Twice now we've seen Gods able to attack and physically open barriers in space because they could perceive the spots. Ares has done, and Thor recently did it.

Their life-forces are just different than that of other beings. Each of the Asgardians has a bit of the OF in their life energy. They can have hearts removed but if they put them back they are ok. They each have a little something extra that someone like Colossus or Rouge simply aren't gonna have, regardless of whether you think those two can beat the W3 in a fight or not.

That doesn't disprove that OR can't drain them that just proves that Thor and Ares can open barriers in space. It might possibly apply to Olympians but gods tend to get Fed up just like everybody else.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Despite what certain people would have you believe, Nobody has actually tried to argue that the spores wont work just because the Warriors Three are gods, they’ve argued that as Asgardian gods/extra-dimensional beings they have a different biology than normal humans and it’s that different biology that calls the effectiveness of the spores into question. If nothing else, logically speaking the longer the life span of someone, the longer it should take to drain their life-force.

Think of it this way, take two tanks. One that holds 95 gallons of water and the other holds 3000 gallons, now hook up identical pumps to each tank. Which tank will empty first?

Maybe but gods tend to get mashed up just like everybody else just depends on the intensity.

Originally posted by Newjak
Just adding in my few cents to this.

Yes simply stating the W3 are gods is not a good argument when comparing a fight to mortals.

They are 'weaker' then some people who have fought Omega Red.

But one does need to understand the perks that come with being a god. They may not always be the most powerful but they do operate differently then mortals. It's that simple. Just because Colossus maybe stronger and maybe more resistant to conventional attacks does not mean things that work on him will work on the W3.

The W3 as 'gods', extra-dimensional beings or whatever you want to call them operate differently then standard walking heroes.

This has been shown on panel. Look at Ares most people would argue whether he could take Colossus w/o his axe. But Ares still operates differently the Pitor. His life-force is different, he sees the world differently, and he can interact with it differently.

Twice now we've seen Gods able to attack and physically open barriers in space because they could perceive the spots. Ares has done, and Thor recently did it.

Their life-forces are just different than that of other beings. Each of the Asgardians has a bit of the OF in their life energy. They can have hearts removed but if they put them back they are ok. They each have a little something extra that someone like Colossus or Rouge simply aren't gonna have, regardless of whether you think those two can beat the W3 in a fight or not.

great argument 😮‍💨

only problem is that he said they possess a part of the Odin Force within them. that power is especially unique and has never been stated as such in comics as far as i can recall. what has bn stated is that asgardians possess asgardian energy inherent to their raise able to be manipulated through practice and training most often used for teleportation from asgard to midgard.

that is not the same to the odin force.

Originally posted by Deadline
Maybe but gods tend to get mashed up just like everybody else just depends on the intensity.

Not really, compared to the average human(IE no powers for either side), Asgardians are hundreds of times stronger and more durable, then there are things like the Asgardians being immune to Earthly diseases.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
great argument 😮‍💨

He didn't actually provide any proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not really, compared to the average human(IE no powers for either side), Asgardians are hundreds of times stronger and more durable, then there are things like the Asgardians being immune to Earthly diseases.

I'm not comparing them to average humans, but non-gods with similar stats. I think mutants are immune to the Aids virus.

Originally posted by Deadline
He didn't actually provide any proof.

I'm not comparing them to average humans, but non-gods with similar stats. I think mutants are immune to the Aids virus.

And most of those superpowered humans that have equal or even greater stats still have normal life-spans and are susceptible to things like diseases, whereas the Asgardians have extended life-spans and are immune to Earthly diseases. So there is still a significant biological difference between them.

Originally posted by Newjak
Just adding in my few cents to this.

Yes simply stating the W3 are gods is not a good argument when comparing a fight to mortals.

They are 'weaker' then some people who have fought Omega Red.

But one does need to understand the perks that come with being a god. They may not always be the most powerful but they do operate differently then mortals. It's that simple. Just because Colossus maybe stronger and maybe more resistant to conventional attacks does not mean things that work on him will work on the W3.

The W3 as 'gods', extra-dimensional beings or whatever you want to call them operate differently then standard walking heroes.

This has been shown on panel. Look at Ares most people would argue whether he could take Colossus w/o his axe. But Ares still operates differently the Pitor. His life-force is different, he sees the world differently, and he can interact with it differently.

Twice now we've seen Gods able to attack and physically open barriers in space because they could perceive the spots. Ares has done, and Thor recently did it.

Their life-forces are just different than that of other beings. Each of the Asgardians has a bit of the OF in their life energy. They can have hearts removed but if they put them back they are ok. They each have a little something extra that someone like Colossus or Rouge simply aren't gonna have, regardless of whether you think those two can beat the W3 in a fight or not.

It's not that "Colossus maybe stronger and maybe more resistant to conventional attacks does not mean things that work on him will work on the W3," Frankly his strength and durability are inconsequential to the discussion, what matters is that the "perks" that would potentially allow for the W3 to have some inherent immunity to Red's powers Colossus has... and his are better... all of them... by a lot. In his organic steel form Colossus is tireless. He requires no subsistence. He doesn't age. He doesn't breath. He doesn't sleep. He is immortal. Alternatively Asgardians do age. They do require sleep. They do require air. They do require food. They are long lived but they don't possess infinite stamina... and even their longevity comes from periodic consumption of an outside source that they will have no access to during this fight. Colossus' stamina, longevity, resistances and life force are greater than an Asgardian's but several orders of magnitude, if Red can drain Colossus he can drain an Asgardian easier.

Where is it stated that Colossus is immortal?

Originally posted by King Castle
only problem is that he said they possess a part of the Odin Force within them. that power is especially unique and has never been stated as such in comics as far as i can recall.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
if Red can drain Colossus he can drain an Asgardian easier.

"Gods work differently."

"It's dumb to assume gods are different!"

"Gods work the same."

"It's dumb to assume gods are the same!"

I don't get how this argument is any better than the ones you deride. Speculation, that's all this is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where is it stated that Colossus is immortal?

It's only been stated he doesn't age in his Organic Steel form, so he is "immortal" in the sense that as long as he stays armored he'd never die of old age. In his non-armoured his mortality is the same as base line human.

Fandral stated that is simply asgardian energy.. although, commenting on it in a form of a question as a guess from Thor cast doubt in the believe that it is Odin Force power that resides in all Asgardians.

although, i am willing to accept it if it has been explicitly stated by new writers as such.

^ I don't know what doubt you're referring to. It's stated in black and white. Thor wasn't questioning it, he was giving the answer.

It already has been stated by new writers. It's not meant to be ambiguous.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsThor18.jpg This reductionist argument shockingly mirrors the same arguments you keep trying to project and lambaste.

"Gods work differently."

"It's dumb to assume gods are different!"

"Gods work the same."

"It's dumb to assume gods are the same!"

I don't get how this argument is any better than the ones you deride. Speculation, that's all this is.

Except for I have acknowledged the aspects of their supposed "godliness" that would potentially allow for a resistance to Red's powers, and then addressing that he as already dealt with characters possessing even greater version of those advantages. Where as alternatively you are simply stating "they are gods, gods could be different." We know Asgardians tire. We know they require sleep. We know they don't have infinite stamina. Why would they fair better than Colossus did? Because they are gods? Well what aspect about being a god to you think will afford them this advantage? What part of their godly heritage affords them the potential ability to resist Arkady's spoors? Their longevity and increased stamina, correct? Colossus stamina and longevity are far greater then any of the W3 and he couldn't resist Red's powers, so ipso facto Arkady's powers would have greater effect on the W3.

Silly Odin, you didn't need to sacrifice one your eyes and hang yourself from the World Tree gain the Odin force, it was in your heart all along! Dabu Doray, Dabu Doray!!!