Omega Red vs the Warrior Three

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
as alternatively you are simply stating "they are gods, gods could be different." We know Asgardians tire. We know they require sleep. We know they don't have infinite stamina.

Odin tires, sleeps and doesn't have infinite stamina. Omega Red defeats Odin?

And how is this anything different from you forcing me to prove that the Warriors Three would be immune? Again with the negative proof fallacy. You have to prove they'd be effected in the first place. And applying a not-so-subtle no limits fallacy doesn't satisfy that burden. At all.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Omega Red's powers work on anything that tires, sleeps and doesn't have infinite stamina. Where exactly did you get this assumption? By subtly sneaking in a no limits fallacy?

Odin tires, sleeps and doesn't have infinite stamina. Omega Red defeats Odin?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Omega Red's powers work on anything that tires, sleeps and doesn't have infinite stamina. Where exactly did you get this assumption? By subtly sneaking in a no limits fallacy?

Odin tires, sleeps and doesn't have infinite stamina. Omega Red defeats Odin?

And how is this anything different from you forcing me to prove that the Warriors Three would be immune? Again with the negative proof fallacy. You have to prove they'd be effected in the first place. And applying a not-so-subtle no limits fallacy doesn't satisfy that burden. At all.

They've worked on someone who doesn't sleep, tire and does have infinite stamina, logically anyone who requires those things would end up worse for wear than someone who didn't. Omega Red drains stamina, the W3 don't have a bottomless supply. They require subsistence and they can tire from ordinary physical strain... why would Red's powers be less effective then simply them living life day to day?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Omega Red's powers work on anything that tires, sleeps and doesn't have infinite stamina. Where exactly did you get this assumption? By subtly sneaking in a no limits fallacy?

Odin tires, sleeps and doesn't have infinite stamina. Omega Red defeats Odin?

And how is this anything different from you forcing me to prove that the Warriors Three would be immune? Again with the negative proof fallacy. You have to prove they'd be effected in the first place. And applying a not-so-subtle no limits fallacy doesn't satisfy that burden. At all.

ODG why on earth would you compare W3 to Odin? I don't see why Collosus isn't comparable to an Asagardian. As far as I can see in metal form he should or is immortal, hell technically hes dead.

Does OR have a limit on how much he can drain?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Does OR have a limit on how much he can drain?

Probably.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Does OR have a limit on how much he can drain?

Not one that has ever been mentioned.

Hell you could kill an Asagardian by drowning them or suffociation. Not Collosus. Point I'm making hes more dead than alive and tougher than Hogun and Fandral and still got drained.

Techincally it shouldn't be possible to drain 'life'force from Collosus. Hes more of a paradox than an Asagardian.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not that "Colossus maybe stronger and maybe more resistant to conventional attacks does not mean things that work on him will work on the W3," Frankly his strength and durability are inconsequential to the discussion, what matters is that the "perks" that would potentially allow for the W3 to have some inherent immunity to Red's powers Colossus has... and his are better... all of them... by a lot. In his organic steel form Colossus is tireless. He requires no subsistence. He doesn't age. He doesn't breath. He doesn't sleep. He is immortal. Alternatively Asgardians do age. They do require sleep. They do require air. They do require food. They are long lived but they don't possess infinite stamina... and even their longevity comes from periodic consumption of an outside source that they will have no access to during this fight. Colossus' stamina, longevity, resistances and life force are greater than an Asgardian's but several orders of magnitude, if Red can drain Colossus he can drain an Asgardian easier.

Colossus does not have a portion of the Odinforce residing within his life Force. Colossus can not see space and time as tangible things. Colossus' life force could not be used to help power something.

Originally posted by Deadline
ODG why on earth would you compare W3 to Odin? I don't see why Collosus isn't comparable to an Asagardian. As far as I can see in metal form he should or is immortal, hell technically hes dead.

Probably because Colossus’ type of "immortality" is biologically different than the Asgardians.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except Colossus does not have the same perks as a god.

Colossus does not have a portion of the Odinforce residing within his life Force.

Does that stop them from drowning, being stabbed, beaten to death and different other ways of dying?

Originally posted by Newjak

Colossus can not see space and time as tangible things. Colossus' life force could not be used to help power something.

That doesn't prove they can't be drained. All that does is describe a certain powerset, you could argue that it wouldn't work Reed Richards because he can stretch.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Probably because Colossus’ type of "immortality" is biologically different than the Asgardians.

Asagardians can still die just like other metas, so theres no reason why there really should be that different.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They've worked on someone who doesn't sleep, tire and does have infinite stamina, logically anyone who requires those things would end up worse for wear than someone who didn't. Omega Red drains stamina, the W3 don't have a bottomless supply. They require subsistence and they can tire from ordinary physical strain... why would Red's powers be less effective then simply them living life day to day?

If you're not relying on a no limit fallacy, recognize that you're alternatively relying on a false cause fallacy. Which you unintentionally have pointed out: as far as we've seen, strict biological workings of stamina have nothing to do with the spores working as they've worked on a being of pure metal who has no biological issues with sleep, tiring or stamina. Accordingly, stamina issues don't have anything to do with the spores working or not. So focusing on Asgardians tiring, sleeping, etc. is a bs red herring that has no basis.

Relying on a false cause fallacy isn't any better than relying on a no limit fallacy. You're making an unsupported leap of logic to get where you're going and pretending that the burden of proof somehow shifted as a result. Doesn't work that way. Your entire argument relies on "It worked on Wolvie and Colossus... it'll work on the Warriors Three!" You can't finagle your way out of it and despite trying to dress up that weak-a$$ rationale and pretend it's something else, that's all it has been from the very start.

Originally posted by Deadline
ODG why on earth would you compare W3 to Odin? I don't see why Collosus isn't comparable to an Asagardian. As far as I can see in metal form he should or is immortal, hell technically hes dead.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except Colossus does not have the same perks as a god.

Colossus does not have a portion of the Odinforce residing within his life Force. Colossus can not see space and time as tangible things. Colossus' life force could not be used to help power something.

The perks that he does have - the ones that unlike Flex Mentallo-esq being breaking dimensional barriers BS that even the Hulk has accomplished - are actually relevant to this discussion. Colossus' stamina is greater. His longevity is greater. His life force his greater. Red can drain him easily, the fact that Ares can see time and space doesn't really factor in to this discussion...

Originally posted by Deadline
Asagardians can still die just like other metas, so theres no reason why there really should be that different.

Except , they are different. just look at their extended life-spans, their immunity to diease, their ability to survive the things Doom was doing to them in his experiments.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The perks that he does have - the ones that unlike Flex Mentallo-esq being breaking dimensional barriers BS that even the Hulk has accomplished - are actually relevant to this discussion. Colossus' stamina is greater. His longevity is greater. His life force his greater. Red can drain him easily, the fact that Ares can see time and space doesn't really factor in to this discussion...

You haven't actually proven that his life-force is greater and technically you still haven't posted the quote that states he doesn't age in metal form.

I was willing to take it on faith, but if it's going to be a cornerstone of your argument, you really need to prove it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Once again, where do you get your reductionist nonsensical assumption that Omega Red's spores work on anything that tires, sleeps and has stamina? A not-so-subtle no limit fallacy? Omega Red > Odin. You heard it here.

If you're not relying on a no limit fallacy, recognize that you're alternatively relying on a false cause fallacy. Which you unintentionally have pointed out: as far as we've seen, strict biological workings of stamina have nothing to do with the spores working as they've worked on a being of pure metal who has no biological issues with sleep, tiring or stamina. Accordingly, stamina issues don't have anything to do with the spores working or not. So focusing on Asgardians tiring, sleeping, etc. is a bs red herring that has no basis.

Relying on a false cause fallacy isn't any better than relying on a no limit fallacy. You're making an unsupported leap of logic to get where you're going and pretending that the burden of proof somehow shifted as a result. Doesn't work that way. Your entire argument relies on "It worked on Wolvie and Colossus... it'll work on the Warriors Three!" You can't finagle your way out of it and despite trying to dress up that weak-a$$ rationale and pretend it's something else, that's all it has been from the very start. I'm not. It's reductionist nonsense, I am highlighting that.

There is no false cause fallacy, just your own confirmation bias. Asgardians function more ore less the same as humans do. The require food.They requires sleep. They require air. They have all the same internal organs. They have increased longevity. Omega Red has dealt with that. They have increased stamina. Omega Red has dealt with that. They have increased resistance to diseases. Omega Red dealt with that. There is no inherent physical trait that would would afford the W3 resistance that Omega Red hasn't dealt with.

^ Cornerstone of the argument is that since it worked on Wolvie and Colossus, it worked because they had life force to drain... ergo, it will work on anything that has life-force:

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His AoE won't effect Hulk much same as Wolverine, but as soon as he makes contact with his tentacles Hulk will be drained instantly, while Omega Red will be stronger than ever from the amp. . . .

I don't see why they wouldn't. Maybe Doomsday would evolve an immunity, but other that that if Red was allowed to make contact with his tentacles then his powers would probably work. Why wouldn't they?

. . . if he just stood their and let Red give it a go, there is nothing to suggest he would be unable to siphon Darksied's life force "because he is too powerful."

What possible reason should I have for dignifying this nonsense further? Of course if you think Omega Red's powers work without any limit against beings that possess life force, it'd work on the Warriors Three. But hey... thanks for not proving that AT ALL. Omega Red isn't trans tier. Enough with the horesh1t.

-Pr- had it right:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, if you have some proof that the spores will work on The three of them, then post it please.

Saying "it worked on Colossus" isn't going to cut it, and I really don't want to have to close this thread.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Cornerstone of the argument is that since it worked on Wolvie and Colossus, it worked because they had life force to drain... ergo, it will work on anything that has life-force: Nonsense. This sh1t should have ended on page 3. Instead, it's now 24 pages of negative proof fallacies and pretending the burden is on us to prove it would never work because somehow... a no limit fallacy and a false cause fallacy substitutes as proof. Why are we bothering to argue with you when you think your half-a$$ed rationale justifies Omega Red auto-winning against Hulk, Doomsday and Darkseid? What possible reason should I have for dignifying this nonsense further? Of course if you think Omega Red's powers work with limit against beings that possess life force, it'd work ont he Warriors Three. Thanks for not proving that!

-Pr- had it right:

Omega Red's powers are to drain life force. He has drained someone with infinite life force. The Warriors Three do not have infinite life force. Pretty simple stuff. I'm not pretending that because a shield was powerful enough to stop a bullet, it could also stop a missile, no I'm saying that because stopped a missile it could stop anything less powerful than said missile. In this area Colossus's advantage's are greater, far greater than the w3... and they didn't help him at all. I'm not reaching, I've cited examples of Arkady's powers working on a far superior opponent than who he is faced again. You'd just like to pretend that they are afford some arbitrary immunity because of a title... but that isn't how things work.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Omega Red's powers are to drain life force. He has drained someone with infinite life force. The Warriors Three do not have infinite life force. Pretty simple stuff.

That's what it comes down to. Waste of a thread.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
that isn't how things work.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Except , they are different. just look at their extended life-spans, their immunity to diease,

You're not getting the point being different doesn't make you exempt from getting your life drained. I already gave a list of things they can die from, being different doesn't stop that from happening. Hell I'm not entirely sure but I think mutants are immune to the Aids virus, I also think Collosus is immune to diesease in armour form.

Hell Ares was affected by Dakens pheremones, technically that shouldn't have worked either.

Originally posted by Silent Master

their ability to survive the things Doom was doing to them in his experiments.

Like what?