here is a scan showing the sym not having 360 degree sightas a default setting
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11136/664875-venom_taking_a_breather.jpg
i can post more but i dont think its really needed.
here is a scan showing the sym not having 360 degree sightas a default setting
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11136/664875-venom_taking_a_breather.jpg
i can post more but i dont think its really needed.
Originally posted by King CastleBecause his eyes arent really eyes but symbiotic goo he sees with.
the syms like venom direct their physical perception to an area and they can make more eyes to see but they dont have 360 degree sight like Carnage does as a default power..venom is not going to start off seeing all around him b/c he never has and he has bn snucked up on by ppl and this power would have bn great when hunting for ppl rather then directing toward one direction looking for someone who is behind him.
now Venom is faster then spidey but he is also a brute and violent which negates a lot of his speed barely putting him above spidey at times if not equaling him when playin cat and mouse games.
now i dont appreciate you callin my thread a spite thread since that is not why i made it..
now Venom if he has eyes all over the place how will that help him when fighting Gorgon and he uses his stone stare?
it would be a handicap for the sym rather then an advantage.
You didnt want to make a spite thread but wouldnt it be just that if Gorgon could kill all symbiotes within a second simply by looking at them?
Anyway, if you dont mind ill continue this debate, after the whole Spider-man wolverine thing is out of the picture.
Originally posted by SamZED
None of that was an opinion, I was stating facts. Now saying that Wolverine wasnt trying to gutt Spider-man (when he clearly was) is an opinion. He made several clear attempts to stab him, he couldnt afford to hold back because his best friend's life was at stake, while Spider-man was a nobody to him at that point. He only retracted his claws after Spider-man allowed him to tag him. Logan isnt stupid, he knew Spider-man aint gonna kill him, so there was no longer need to gutt him, he already won the fight the second Spider-man stopped hitting him and backed off letting Logan up and wellcoming him to attack. That's why he retracted his claws. But Until that moment he clearly was attempting to gutt him, nothing suggests that he wasn't. We see him clearly try, he says he's gonna do it, and Spider-man comments that he's trying to. And yet he couldnt. And he was only smiling to freak Spider-man out because he had no other way of stopping him. And that worked. He didnt let him punch him, in fact he was about to throw the finishing blow "here it comes" when started slowing down saying "Mary Jane" but Logan didnt get the chance becasue Spider-man finally started fighting back using his spider sense to guide him.Complimenting speed, doesnt mean much. Ive never seen Deadpool compliment Wolverine's speed, yet ive seen him say "Holly sh!t! You're FAST!!!" about Spider-man. And keep in mind that Deadpool has matched every Wolverine's speed feat. It doesnt work that way.
I can post Spider-man feats that Logan hasnt matched, you cant post feats that Spider-man wont be able to match unless they involve something like cutting or stabbing, simply because Spider-man doesnt do that. And believe me you cant post any Wolverine speed that I havent see anlready. Again, someone like Deadpool's got speed feats that match some of Spider-man's. Yet you dont see me argue that he's as fast. And when he tried to stab Spider-man during their fight he couldnt do that just like Wolverine couldnt despite trying several time and on many occasions.
Daredevil was clearly upgraded, in their other confrontation with pissed off Spider-man Pete oneshotted Matt. As for Punisher shooting him you wanna bring up low showings of him not being able to dodge a bullet when he's godged thousands of them at the same time? Spider-man recently fought bloodlusted Shang Chi who had a speed and strength upgrade yet Spider-man was dodging him without much trouble while holding back. The list that goes on faids very fast when CIS is off. Same people who give him trouble, normally get oneshotted by pissed off Spider-man in a second. There's a speed gap between him and people like Elektra, Cap and others. That's why he can dodge someone like Logan or Deadpool even though he isnt nearly as skilled as they are. Becuase he has a speed advantage over them.
Gorgon is fast, but I dont see him being faster than Venom Brock who's blitzed Carnage, and did things like catch bullet after it was fired and even catch 3 bullets at the same time. I dont believe he's faster than Spider-man either. Much more experienced? Yes, definitely. Faster? No. The fact that Logan complimented him isnt enough to suggest that.
LOL... please tell me you didnt bring up bullet catching as an argument. Gorgon had 5 men shooting at him with shield gun and he slapped those bullets out of the way like they were nothing and redirected them back at the agents. He did the same with Elektra along with her shield agents. Five men was shooting at him and he slapped the bullets back at him.
This thread isnt about Wolvy and Spiderman and your arguments are MOOT. They are comparable in speed and I do not know why we are even talking about this. Spiderman with an upgrade that stated that he ws going to take Cap out failed to do so and got STOMPED so I do not understand why you bring up the Cap and Spiderman fight for.
Wolverine would never harm Spiderman, EVER, even though Wolvy hates to admit it, they are friends. Wolverine KNOW that he can take Spiderman punches, so why stab him. It has been shown to many times that Wolverine can tank punches from an enraged Spiderman. By the way, Deadpool has complimented Wolverines speed and I wouldnt take anything deadpool say serious anyway... he's an IDIOT.
I only picked this and the other thing out because they were extremely blown out of proportion imo. Because "true speedsters" are people that usually only use speed and non stop blitz people with these flashy lines behind them. I agree that he's fast but definately not a that would be considered a "Speedster ", the other thing was the "thounsands times speed of sound" or something.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
I only picked this and the other thing out because they were extremely blown out of proportion imo. Because "true speedsters" are people that usually only use speed and non stop blitz people with these flashy lines behind them. I agree that he's fast but definately not a that would be considered a "Speedster ", the other thing was the "thounsands times speed of sound" or something.
LOL... when I said the "thousands times speed of sound" I wasnt talking about Gorgon, YOYO has ran that fast and her speed was still increasing. This same speedster tried to sneak Gorgon with a blitz while his back was turned fighting someone else and he turned around during her mid blitz, grabbed his sword and chopped her hands off (which lead to everyone saying "no one is that fast"😉.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL... please tell me you didnt bring up bullet catching as an argument. Gorgon had 5 men shooting at him with shield gun and he slapped those bullets out of the way like they were nothing and redirected them back at the agents. He did the same with Elektra along with her shield agents. Five men was shooting at him and he slapped the bullets back at him.This thread isnt about Wolvy and Spiderman and your arguments are MOOT. They are comparable in speed and I do not know why we are even talking about this. Spiderman with an upgrade that stated that he ws going to take Cap out failed to do so and got STOMPED so I do not understand why you bring up the Cap and Spiderman fight for.
Wolverine would never harm Spiderman, EVER, even though Wolvy hates to admit it, they are friends. Wolverine KNOW that he can take Spiderman punches, so why stab him. It has been shown to many times that Wolverine can tank punches from an enraged Spiderman. By the way, Deadpool has complimented Wolverines speed and I wouldnt take anything deadpool say serious anyway... he's an IDIOT.
Wasnt talking about Spider-man/Cap fight that was full of CIS "ZOMG how do I hit the livving legend" kinda thing. My argument isnt moot. Its based on years of showings and several confrontations. The reason I bring this up is because people do not understand that Spider-man unlike Deadpool, Wolverine and others lack MA skills, so if it wasnt for his superior speed (that he displays time and time again) he would've been killed long ago by Logan, Deadpool or even Puma. His superior speed is what prevents that from happening. Its his ace when fighting people with superior fighting skills.
When they fought in the cemetry, they werent much of friends. In fact Spider-man was an annoyance to him who was stopping Logan from helping his friend. So when he had to choose between the life of some irratating guy who almost got them killed in the restaurant and his best friend's life, he chose to kill Spider-man and outright said that he's gonna do it because Spider-man left him no choice. And he did try. Sure Logan can take his punches, but he couldnt afford to take his punches at that moment because he had little time.
Deadpool isnt an idiot. He's insane. And its not hard to say when he's fooling around or making a serious comment. That time he was seriously impressed. Even his masked looked like "WTF?!". I dont recall him being amazed by Logan's speed tbh.
Originally posted by SamZED
He did it with his sword. Lots of people done that. X's bullet deflecting feats is easilly as impressive. Mr. Negative has cut bullets in half in midair. Doesnt make them as fast as Spider-man or Venom. Why should I not mention Venom's feats when debating his speed? IMO that works better than other character's comments about their speed.Wasnt talking about Spider-man/Cap fight that was full of CIS "ZOMG how do I hit the livving legend" kinda thing. My argument isnt moot. Its based on years of showings and several confrontations. The reason I bring this up is because people do not understand that Spider-man unlike Deadpool, Wolverine and others lack MA skills, so if it wasnt for his superior speed (that he displays time and time again) he would've been killed long ago by Logan, Deadpool or even Puma. His superior speed is what prevents that from happening. Its his ace when fighting people with superior fighting skills.
When they fought in the cemetry, they werent much of friends. In fact Spider-man was an annoyance to him who was stopping Logan from helping his friend. So when he had to choose between the life of some irratating guy who almost got them killed in the restaurant and his best friend's life, he chose to kill Spider-man and outright said that he's gonna do it because Spider-man left him no choice. And he did try. Sure Logan can take his punches, but he couldnt afford to take his punches at that moment because he had little time.
Deadpool isnt an idiot. He's insane. And its not hard to say when he's fooling around or making a serious comment. That time he was seriously impressed. Even his masked looked like "WTF?!". I dont recall him being amazed by Logan's speed tbh.
NNNNOOO, you got it all wrong... it isnt Spidermans speed that gets him past people like Logan, its his speed combined with his Spider Sense.
Logan has never tried to outright kill Spiderman and when he stabbed him in Marvel Knights #13 (a PISSED OFF LOGAN), he felt bad afterwards.
Like I said before, using deadpool as an argument is moot. Deadpool brought a gang of people to aid him in taking on Wolverine and they still was on the losing end and Deadpool had to resort to shooting Wolverine with enough tranqs to drop a t rex. So using him is irrelevant.
Yep, he sure did do it with a sword but does that does not take away from the feat, especially since it was 5 men shooting at him with shield machine guns. I think it would take more work to slice a bullet out of the air vs catching one with your hand.
Originally posted by SamZED
The precog that is sometime written as a cheap alarm clock. The speed is still the main factor. Not to mention, he's fought without his ss on many occasions.
Its not entirely his speed that aids him though... without his spider sense, he would have been dead a long time ago.
Originally posted by SamZED
. Mr. Negative has cut bullets in half in midair. .
Originally posted by carver9
NNNNOOO, you got it all wrong... it isnt Spidermans speed that gets him past people like Logan, its his speed combined with his Spider Sense.Logan has never tried to outright kill Spiderman and when he stabbed him in Marvel Knights #13 (a PISSED OFF LOGAN), he felt bad afterwards.
Like I said before, using deadpool as an argument is moot. Deadpool brought a gang of people to aid him in taking on Wolverine and they still was on the losing end and Deadpool had to resort to shooting Wolverine with enough tranqs to drop a t rex. So using him is irrelevant.
Yep, he sure did do it with a sword but does that does not take away from the feat, especially since it was 5 men shooting at him with shield machine guns. I think it would take more work to slice a bullet out of the air vs catching one with your hand.
In Marvel Knights, they've already known each other for years, I agree he didnt want to stab him then. But he was gonna do it during the cemetry fight. I can also name several examples when Logan actually tries to gutt Spider-man but doesnt succeed.
Please, lets not start Wolverine/Deadpool here too. Deadpool has taken Logan down without any tranqs as often as Logan put Deadpool down. All in all they were always evenly matched. I dont see why Deadpool being surprised by his speed is irrelevant.
Venom has cought one with his hand and cought 3 with his tendrils. I find that pretty impressive.
Originally posted by carver9Only if we count him getting ambushed, he's done just finel without his spider sense relying on his speed alone in fights.
Its not entirely his speed that aids him though... without his spider sense, he would have been dead a long time ago.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganYeah, ive read the issue. That was actually very badass.
I not trying to argue this either way, but this comment just reminded me, Gorgon last issue did just this but to an even greater extent he wait untill a bullet was mere foot or two away moved several feet and cut a bullet in haft before it hit the baron.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I not trying to argue this either way, but this comment just reminded me, Gorgon last issue did just this but to an even greater extent he wait untill a bullet was mere foot or two away moved several feet and cut a bullet in haft before it hit the baron.
Do you have a scan of this?
Originally posted by SamZED
Spider sense wouldnr make much of a difference if he didnt have superior speed to go with it. Imagine trying to dodge someone who has knives in each hand. You think a precog would help much if you werent faster?In Marvel Knights, they've already known each other for years, I agree he didnt want to stab him then. But he was gonna do it during the cemetry fight. I can also name several examples when Logan actually tries to gutt Spider-man but doesnt succeed.
Please, lets not start Wolverine/Deadpool here too. Deadpool has taken Logan down without any tranqs as often as Logan put Deadpool down. All in all they were always evenly matched. I dont see why Deadpool being surprised by his speed is irrelevant.
Venom has cought one with his hand and cought 3 with his tendrils. I find that pretty impressive.
Only if we count him getting ambushed, he's done just finel without his spider sense relying on his speed alone in fights.
OMG, you have no way of proving this. Spiderman spider sense has aided him through battles against some of the most experienced fighters out there. Its more spectacular that Cap has been living all of this time and dodging things vs Spiderman since, well, Cap has to rely on nothing but pure skill vs Spiderman having the aid of a Spider sense and Cap has been ambushed as well.
Spiderman spider sense is the main reason he is still fighting today. His Spider sense has went crazy in EVERY fight he has had with Logan and his spider sense was going off against Cap.