Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spider-Man isn't the god of speed that's Flash.So he's stronger than Spider-Man and heals better than the Hulk. Where are scans of him healing like Hulk?
But you do think he is the god of speed against fighters when all in all... there are people that are faster than him.
Originally posted by carver9Nope. I think he's faster than streets. You seem to think Logan is as fast against him. Which would also mean that DD, Cap, etc are as well if you go by "relative feats". Don't put words in my mouth, Spider-Man is still the fastest street.
But you do think he is the god of speed against fighters when all in all... there are people that are faster than him.
If that's the case then what is Gorgon to you? Not to mention you compared him to WW.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Nope. I think he's faster than streets. You seem to think Logan is as fast against him. Which would also mean that DD, Cap, etc are as well if you go by "relative feats". Don't put words in my mouth, Spider-Man is still the fastest street.If that's the case then what is Gorgon to you? Not to mention you compared him to WW.
Omg... I never compared him to wondy but I did say that wonder woman isn't unhittable and in a melee with cis on I could see him tagging her just like batman has tagged her... the royal flush gang, and deathstroke. Stop bringing her up... she have nothing to do with this.
The sad thing about your post is that spiderman, wolverine, and gorgon aren't street level characters, they are metas and have meta stats. Wolverine alone has proven this by going h2h with hulk on numerous of occasions, almost beating rulk until someone interviened, and taking on teams and holding his own, defeating namor, tackling thor, etc.
Gorgon is much faster than than spiderman so no, spiderman isn't the fastest. Once you show me spiderman blitzing two people likr gorgon did "wolverine and elektra" then I would agree with you but going by all of spiderman showingsw against similar characters, that ain't happening.
Stop being in denial... a lot of people have accepted the fact that gorgon is faster just like I accepted the fact thathe is faster than wolvy and sabertooth.
Because you argued him keeping up with someone moving lightspeed.
Yes they are meta, but obviously I meant Spider-Man is a street hero. Hulk would crush Wolverine and Capt has gone "h2h" against Hulk, he would lose. Just like Spider-Man.
You've proven nothing. You haven't proven Gorgon being stronger than Spider-Man, having Hulk level healing, or anything. You just say stuff over and over again and think that it makes it right. Who said that Gorgon was in a whole different league? I said they were comparable. You've shown him blitz two people. I've shown him blitz several on several occasions. Of course you tried to lowball the feats like you lowballed Superman, and you lowball Akuma. This is a waste of time.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you argued him keeping up with someone moving lightspeed.Yes they are meta, but obviously I meant Spider-Man is a street hero. Hulk would crush Wolverine and Capt has gone "h2h" against Hulk, he would lose. Just like Spider-Man.
You've proven nothing. You haven't proven Gorgon being stronger than Spider-Man, having Hulk level healing, or anything. You just say stuff over and over again and think that it makes it right. Who said that Gorgon was in a whole different league? I said they were comparable. You've shown him blitz two people. I've shown him blitz several on several occasions. Of course you tried to lowball the feats like you lowballed Superman, and you lowball Akuma. This is a waste of time.
You are hilarious cmaster... when did I low ball akuma, the only thing I said is that ironman would win.
Show me wonder woman combating at light speed.
Wolverine has taken on hulk too many timea for you to ignore his showings. Wolverine started off as a hulk villian. Show me cap going h2h against hulk like wolverine has on numerous of occasions. Just because you do not like the fact that wolverine has went against top tiers doesn't mean that you have the right to throw it out of the window.
Stop bringing superman into this... this has nothing to do with him. Now again, show me spiderman blitzing two people of wolverine and elektra caliber. Mr. Fantastic or luke doesn't have super speed so stop bring up that lame a** feat.
Wolverine can fight the Hulk he won't beat him.
5 people. Fantastic can stretch. He also did it in secret wars. He's done it to the Sinister Six too. He has tons more feats I don't know why you're bothering with your featwar crap. I've argued more extensively on here than you and I've seen it many times.
Show Gorgon having more strength than Spider-Man and Hulk level healing factor and reacting at Wonder Woman's level.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wolverine can fight the Hulk he won't beat him.5 people. Fantastic can stretch. He also did it in secret wars. He's done it to the Sinister Six too. He has tons more feats I don't know why you're bothering with your featwar crap. I've been here much longer than you and I've seen it many times.
Show Gorgon having more strength and Hulk level healing factor and reacting at Wonder Woman's level.
I have been here over 8 years... I know about feat wars.
I know it was 5 people but again, its irrelevant since none of those people are in wolvy or elektra range of combat speed. Why didn't he blitz captain america? Why didn't he blitz wolvy? Why isnt he blitz sabertooth when they fought? Do you want to know why? Because they have comparable speed.
I agree, wolverine can't beat the hulk but he sure as hell gives him a run for his money. Hulk can't stand wolverine because of this.
Like I told you before, I never said that gorgon was stronger, I said that its a "possibility" sinc wolverine laughed at spidey punches but was getting dropped by gorgons "so stop asking me the same questions over and over again".
Him getting stabbed in the chest by 7 blades and bouncing back up without a scratch makes me think that he has close to hulk level healing factor.
Here you go putting words in my mouth yet again... when did I say that gorgon had wonder woman level speed.
Cmaster, you are a cool guy but you are seriously trolling right now.
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
Originally posted by carver9I said extensively although there wasn't a versus board.
I have been here over 8 years... I know about feat wars.I know it was 5 people but again, its irrelevant since none of those people are in wolvy or elektra range of combat speed. Why didn't he blitz captain america? Why didn't he blitz wolvy? Why isnt he blitz sabertooth when they fought? Do you want to know why? Because they have comparable speed.
I agree, wolverine can't beat the hulk but he sure as hell gives him a run for his money. Hulk can't stand wolverine because of this.
Like I told you before, I never said that gorgon was stronger, I said that its a "possibility" sinc wolverine laughed at spidey punches but was getting dropped by gorgons "so stop asking me the same questions over and over again".
Him getting stabbed in the chest by 7 blades and bouncing back up without a scratch makes me think that he has close to hulk level healing factor.
Here you go putting words in my mouth yet again... when did I say that gorgon had wonder woman level speed.Cmaster, you are a cool guy but you are seriously trolling right now.
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
You're trolling. I like you and all, but he doesn't have a better healing factor than Hulk. Hulk healed from a skeleton in seconds.
Also Wolverine isn't even much faster than Cap, so now he's faster than 5 guys. Gorgon isn't stronger than Spider-Man and insisting these things like him reacting to Wondy isn't right man. You shouldn't do that. You're better than that.
Only thing I said was that they're comparable, and they both have insane speed feats. Only difference is Gorgon uses his speed differently. You're claiming the other ends.
I see you're getting angry so I won't continue now. This thread is getting too far off topic anyways.
The symbiotes win. They aren't Wonder Woman fast though. 😬
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I said extensively although there wasn't a versus board.You're trolling. I like you and all, but he doesn't have a better healing factor than Hulk. Hulk healed from a skeleton in seconds.
Also Wolverine isn't even much faster than Cap, so now he's faster than 5 guys. Gorgon isn't stronger than Spider-Man and insisting these things like him reacting to Wondy isn't right man. You shouldn't do that. You're better than that.
Only thing I said was that they're comparable, and they both have insane speed feats. Only difference is Gorgon uses his speed differently. You're claiming the other ends.
I see you're getting angry so I won't continue now. This thread is getting too far off topic anyways.
The symbiotes win. They aren't Wonder Woman fast though. 😬
Lol... I'm not getting angry, I just do not understand your reasoning. Let me show you what I mean.
When did I say gorgon have a better healing factor than hulk... I said his healing is close to hulk healing factor... two different things?
When did I say that wolverine is faster than cap? You see, you saying things like this is what I am talking about.
When did I say that gorgon was as fast as wonder woman? What I said along with numerous of others is that gorgon could tag wonder woman with cis on. How about this, if you can show me how fast wonder woman could fight and prove it (key word, prove) then that would help me along with numerous of others on this board.
I do not think they are comparable in speed "gorgon and spidey" unless again, you can show me spiderman blitzing someone with speed. That's like me posting events of wolverine blitzing rulk using it as evidence that wolverine is faster than spidey.
Originally posted by The MISTERYou guys can ignore my post but it makes Gorgon seem even more like a loser. I read something earlier about Gorgon being a speedster. Bullsh!t. Speedster use their superspeed as part of their style. Cap can move quickly and take out a lot of guys at once, and so can Iron Fist. They're comic book characters. Spider-man has used more super-speed feats than Gorgon and they're usually depicted by blurs or multiple shadow images. The problem is that Venom is much stronger than Spider-man. He can pin him.
There's nothing to keep a symbiote out of Gorgons mouth and ears and that's a serious weakness and has been from the beggining. The fatalities are there to prove it. Gorgon has read alien minds before? I doubt there's any evidence of that and there is evidence of the alien being very smart. Gorgons not overpowering the strength that has consistently been capable of hanging with most every opponent. Without sonics, fire, or electricity who has ko'ed the symbiotes? They're extremely resilient to everything except their weaknesses and they're deadly aliens. Gorgon's brain can be pushed out of his ear at the first opening, cuz this isn't a book where that will never happen in an aunt may vs venom fight. Gorgon can't cut up the suits they're not that weak and can grab bullets. Gorgons stone ability is stated online to only work on humans. Does it work on Wolverine? I know better than to trust the online stuff but some of it's true. What's Gorgon's greatest feat of strength? Even Venom is a tank thrower. The suits sandman like abilities to envelop limbs and extend multiple tendrils make excellent martial arts limited in what they can do. Gorgon couldn't take Venom out the characters history has him being someone who can take alot of punishment.
What's to stop him from pinning Gorgon if Gorgon is weaker than Spidey? I'd need evidence that he's stronger. Cutting the symbiote is a non-option cause if was that easy Wolverine would have killed Venom in their first meeting. Don't forget that Venom has the advantage of webbing that binds + tendrils that are guided. There is no extra brain durability for Gorgon and a symbiote filled brain cavity is a KO.
Venom grabs Gorgon eventually and wraps him in symbiote long enough to get some tendrils into those soft spots like the brain heart or lungs. Why can't he?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Does anybody notice a trend here in any Wolverine, Sabretooth, Gorgon, Omega Red thread? The same people arguing for him over and over and over again. The same people that the forum laughs at.
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Dude.... not cool......
The reason why the same people argue for these characters is simple: Facts....
It's something a lot of butt-sore people on this forum like to avoid when it comes to these guys because... well lets face it, Team Wolvie usually tends to beat the piss outa people in comic book fights, and the people they beat on usually tend to be favorites...
Thor unable to handle Wolverine in melee.
Sabretooth manhandling Spiderman twice.
Omega Red making a mockery out of Colossus.
Wolverine dropping cap with a blood clot.
Sabretooth snatching Black Panther into the air...
And I could go on and on... but it's rather pointless to because....
The only people on these forums who think that Wolverine supporters are a forum joke are the same members who are soooo commited to their character they email the writer about a specific comic 3 years after it was published in some asinine attempt to interpret the panels differently than what was depicted...
And when it comes down to it.. that's the problem. What's been depicted and what people have been lead to believe.
I think plenty of people go into the comic world only knowing to much about certain characters that they THINK they're making an informed opinion when they're not. Tons of people think that Wolverine and Sabretooth are little more than peak humans.... I certainly did... when I was younger.
But they're typically represented on panel as much much more than that and that's where the issue lies..
When it comes to Spiderman/Wolverine.
They both have similar speed feats.
They've both outstripped one another in certain areas.
And when you have their one on one encounters Spiderman certainly doesn't look faster than Wolverine the majority of the time.
The notion of Wolverine's speed comes up in an overwhelming amount of their encounters to be honest.
The famous line about Wolverine possibly being his better.
Stating that Wolverine went on a rampage too fast for Spiderman to do anything about.
The time Spiderman used a cloaking device to look like Wolverine and decided it was a fair representation to display superhuman speed and strength.
Deciding that Daken was as fast as Wolverine when he turned around and Daken wasn't there.
It's a hard fact to dismiss that when it comes to speed Wolverine is certainly "up there" with Spiderman... That people on these boards continue to insult, ridicule, or otherwise harrass forum members for thinking just that is nothing short than the worst of comic book ignorance IMO.
*This isn't directed at you C-Master, it just needed to be said.
Nobody thinks that Wolverine supporters are joke. But there are certain points fans disagree with, nothig wrong with that.
I personally believe that stopping someone from killing people in a room full of thugs isnt a good way to compare speed.
Spider-man was shocked when he saw Logan cut all those guys to pieces, not like he did his best to stop him.
Also, Sabertooth scratched Spider-man once, Pete didnt even bother to jump aside that time, he stood his ground and counterattacked and only got a little scratch. The second time they met, Creed failed to tag Spider-man twice and only finally managed to grab Spider-man when Pete was in midair dodging Punisher's bullets too busy to pay attention to Vic. ST said so himself. Not bad but nothing id call "manhandling". Same with Daken, he couldnt tag Spider-man without the pheromones. Even though he ambushed him.
Originally posted by SamZEDI'd say having to remove himself from the battle isn't a good sign... and getting his neck wrung certainly looks like manhandling.... maybe just not applicable to a forum fight scenario...
Nobody thinks that Wolverine supporters are joke. But there are certain points fans disagree with, nothig wrong with that.I personally believe that stopping someone from killing people in a room full of thugs isnt a good way to compare speed.
Spider-man was shocked when he saw Logan cut all those guys to pieces, not like he did his best to stop him.Also, Sabertooth scratched Spider-man once, Pete didnt even bother to jump aside that time, he counterattacked and only got a little scratch. The second time they met, Creed failed to tag Spider-man twice and only finally managed to grab Spider-man when Pete was in midair dodging Punisher's bullets too busy to pay attention to Vic. ST said so himself. Not bad but nothing id call "manhandling"
Originally posted by jinzinWhat was the story about? And whom were they fighting? I cant place it for some reason.
I'd say having to remove himself from the battle isn't a good sign... and getting his neck wrung certainly looks like manhandling.... maybe just not applicable to a forum fight scenario...
btw:
I was referring to the Marvel Knights incident where Parker clearly states that Wolverine's rampage was too fast for him to do anything about.... It's quite the compliment given who's saying it.
Originally posted by SamZED
What was the story about? And whom were they fighting? I cant place it for some reason.
God it's been forever since I read it...
I think someone was using Wolverine's healing factor or something to make an uber virus.... I think...
And Wolverine was captured and tortured by this army of gorilla troops, somehow Spidey showed up and got Wolverine free and then Wolverine goes on a rampage and starts killing them. It's only slightly shown and mostly referenced by Parker and Logan as they're sitting under a spotlight in what seems to be Fury's office/interrogation room only to find out later they're at aunt mays...
It's actually a pretty good read and has a lot of funny, underhanded but mutal respect between both characters.
