pulled out my old venom comics.. lethal protector the carnage prison escape, the vengeance team up.. bride of venom.. etc etc..
anyways......
spidey speed and precog is also supplemented by terrain use.. i think aside from cap and DD spidey heavily relies on it for the majority of villain fights rather then just combat reflex speed... example look at his fights with lizard, venom, puma etc etc... his speed nor precog are enough never has bn to make him untouchable
Originally posted by carver9His spider sense doesnt work against Carnage or Venom. Yet he dodges them all the time. Sure they dont have Deadpool's skills but they have the speed feats and tendrils that move faster than bullets but unlike bullets can change their direction. And he dodges them just fine. I honestly dont see Spider-man dodging Logan or Deadpool thanks to his ss alone. Comparable speed wont cut it against them even with precog. better speed + precog however would.
OMG, you have no way of proving this. Spiderman spider sense has aided him through battles against some of the most experienced fighters out there. Its more spectacular that Cap has been living all of this time and dodging things vs Spiderman since, well, Cap has to rely on nothing but pure skill vs Spiderman having the aid of a Spider sense and Cap has been ambushed as well.Spiderman spider sense is the main reason he is still fighting today. His Spider sense has went crazy in EVERY fight he has had with Logan and his spider sense was going off against Cap.
Originally posted by King CastleNot untouchable ofcourse, never said that. But he was friends with Puma and Connors for years. That makes it more difficult. He relies on his ss all the time, yes but simply because he's used to. That's why when he gets attacked by a symbiote that doesnt trigger his ss he gets cough off guard very often. But normally dodges them just fine.
pulled out my old venom comics.. lethal protector the carnage prison escape, the vengeance team up.. bride of venom.. etc etc..anyways......
spidey speed and precog is also supplemented by terrain use.. i think aside from cap and DD spidey heavily relies on it for the majority of villain fights rather then just combat reflex speed... example look at his fights with lizard, venom, puma etc etc... his speed nor precog are enough never has bn to make him untouchable
venom has beaten and caught spiderman repeatedly and is only alive due to writer protection..venom has grabbed him thrown him through walls slammed him on the ground, chocked spiderman... only reason spidey has a chance is when he is running away swinging through the city using acrobatics with a head start and terrain use...
carnage is just a putz only reason spider is alive not b/c of his speed.
dont credit spidey skills/abilities due to writer protection
Originally posted by SamZED
His spider sense doesnt work against Carnage or Venom. Yet he dodges them all the time. Sure they dont have Deadpool's skills but they have the speed feats and tendrils that move faster than bullets but unlike bullets can change their direction. And he dodges them just fine. I honestly dont see Spider-man dodging Logan or Deadpool thanks to his ss alone. Comparable speed wont cut it against them even with precog. better speed + precog however would.
Thanks for the scans... Gorgon is a beast. Venom isnt as fast as you are making him... just look at his fights with Logan, he STRUGGLES to tag him.
In regards to the Spider Sense comment, I'm really not getting what you are saying... your points arent adding up. If Spiderman is getting hit during a melee confrontation without his Spider Sense, its pretty obvious that is the reason why he does half if not all of the things that he does in a fight.
Originally posted by King CastleYou dont have to tell me what Venom did, I happen to read every fight he had with Spider-man. And as I said, Venom's got crazy feats and despite that Spider-man has dodged him just fine on many occasions. He's been running circles around Venom even without any writer's protection. Using his speed and agility.
venom has beaten and caught spiderman repeatedly and is onlt alive due to writer protection..venom has grabbed him through him to walls slammed him on the ground, chocked spiderman... only reason spidey has a chase is when he is running away swinging through the city using acrobatics with a head start and terrain use...carnage is just a putz only reason spider is alive not b/c of his speed.
dont credit spidey skills/abilities due to writer protection
And dont get me started on his skills, some people believe just because he never took karate lessons it means he cant fight, and the guy has used Iron Fist's attacks against him.
Originally posted by carver9
Thanks for the scans... Gorgon is a beast. Venom isnt as fast as you are making him... just look at his fights with Logan, he STRUGGLES to tag him.In regards to the Spider Sense comment, I'm really not getting what you are saying... your points arent adding up. If Spiderman is getting hit during a melee confrontation without his Spider Sense, its pretty obvious that is the reason why he does half if not all of the things that he does in a fight.
Which fight? I believe there were few. And tbh I didnt see Venom even try to display any kind of speed in their fights. But dont recall him ever having trouble hitting Logan.
What im saying is, while spider sense is a great power, it's not a get out of jail free card. Spider-man said that himsself. If it wasnt for the said speed I just dont see him dodge say Deadpool thanks to the ss alone since DP is still more skilled.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
great argument really great it's not that you can apply "writer protection" on pretty much everyone and everything...
He does have a point. Look at all of the xmen comics... who is the first person to get attack by a major attack... Wolvy and the only reason why that happens is because he has a healing factor and he can take it.
Gorgon has Hulk level healing now? Carver you're on a ball today.
And obviously Wolverine doesn't have "writer protection".
Originally posted by carver9You're obviously not understanding things. I've made it clear why I hate using featwars and that is because of this high/low nonsense. I was showing you what I could do too, Spider-Man has more of a history so he has more feats to rely on, hence why I think that's an unfair argument.
They are not comparable and the only reason that I brought Wolverine up is because he is the center piece of this argument involving Gorgon. Spiderman cant do to Wolverine what Gorgon has done to Wolverine. Spiderman cant be almost a Mile away and blitz Wolverine instantly like Gorgon did.Im not trying to turn this into a Wolverine vs Spiderman thread but I'm trying to help you open your eyes. Spiderman is fast but there ARE people out there, even meta's, that are faster than him.
Spider-Man has already had better blitzing feats that you seem to ignore. I've brought up him against Carnage also.
You're not opening my eyes, because now that I remember correctly you were arguing Gorgon against Wonder Woman and comparing speed and reflexes.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganSorry about that. Carver was making my head hurt. ( you did talk about Parm though). 😛
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Gorgon has Hulk level healing now? Carver you're on a ball today.And obviously Wolverine doesn't have "writer protection".
You're obviously not understanding things. I've made it clear why I hate using featwars and that is because of this high/low nonsense. I was showing you what I could do too, Spider-Man has more of a history so he has more feats to rely on, hence why I think that's an unfair argument.
Spider-Man has already had better blitzing feats that you seem to ignore. I've brought up him against Carnage also.
You're not opening my eyes, because now that I remember correctly you were arguing Gorgon against Wonder Woman and comparing speed and reflexes. Sorry about that. Carver was making my head hurt. ( you did talk about Parm though). 😛
Lol... that wasn't me talking about wonder woman reflexes but I did state that wonder woman is unhittable by character like wolvy since people on wolvy caliber has tagged her.
Yes... hulk level healing. Shrug off any attack.
I know of spidy blitz feats and that's the main reason I put him on wolvy level.
Sorry about making your head hurt, just want you to realize spidey isn't the god of speed.
Originally posted by carver9Spider-Man isn't the god of speed that's Flash.
Lol... that wasn't me talking about wonder woman reflexes but I did state that wonder woman is unhittable by character like wolvy since people on wolvy caliber has tagged her.Yes... hulk level healing. Shrug off any attack.
I know of spidy blitz feats and that's the main reason I put him on wolvy level.
Sorry about making your head hurt, just want you to realize spidey isn't the god of speed.
So he's stronger than Spider-Man and heals better than the Hulk. Where are scans of him healing like Hulk?
There's nothing to keep a symbiote out of Gorgons mouth and ears and that's a serious weakness and has been from the beggining. The fatalities are there to prove it. Gorgon has read alien minds before? I doubt there's any evidence of that and there is evidence of the alien being very smart. Gorgons not overpowering the strength that has consistently been capable of hanging with most every opponent. Without sonics, fire, or electricity who has ko'ed the symbiotes? They're extremely resilient to everything except their weaknesses and they're deadly aliens. Gorgon's brain can be pushed out of his ear at the first opening, cuz this isn't a book where that will never happen in an aunt may vs venom fight. Gorgon can't cut up the suits they're not that weak and can grab bullets. Gorgons stone ability is stated online to only work on humans. Does it work on Wolverine? I know better than to trust the online stuff but some of it's true. What's Gorgon's greatest feat of strength? Even Venom is a tank thrower. The suits sandman like abilities to envelop limbs and extend multiple tendrils make excellent martial arts limited in what they can do. Gorgon couldn't take Venom out the characters history has him being someone who can take alot of punishment.
