Savage Opress...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well I think this does do away with most the post ROTJ stuff, to which Lucas himself has never input anything.

Although im not sure we should take the "getting rid of evil" bit too literally. I mean there will obviously always be evil. But he clearly got rid of a very dangerous and powerful evil.

Also the sith he was supposed to destroy could have just been Bane's cult. Im not saying I know the prophecy Sidious66 before you start getting smart again, just that would be the only way of bringing it in line with the Eu. Not that it needs to, as G-Canon is the source material, and it is the Eu that has the responsibility of bringing its stories in line with G-Canon quotes.

Do you see what you are doing here? You are taking it upon yourself to interpret the prophecy. Your explanation might make sense, but we do not know enough about the prophecy to try and interpret it.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Only DP knows the details of the prophecy. All these years fans have been wanting an explanation of what the prophecy is, and DP knew all about it.

Yeah what does George Lucas or Obi-Wan Kenobi(ROTS) know about the prophecy?! Lol!

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I wonder why Chee went out of his way to explain, that in DE, Palpatine was lying about Vader's sacrafice not being his first death. Why would Chee even care, if the entire DE comics is a lie anyway? Please explain this for us DP. Why does Chee consider DE to be c-canon when it is really non-canon?

Well smart ass instead of getting all sarcastic with me that would have been a good point to bring up earlier.
Show me the quote, and then we can talk. But bear in mind no one, including Chee, overrules Lucas when it comes to Star Wars.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
As for the Ki-Adi-Mundi question, I do not see how Anakin's word (fallible in-universe source) can over-ride an omniscient narrator. The complete visual dictionary said Mundi was the first non-master to be on the council.

HAHAHA! Please tell me thats not a serious argument?! Ki-Adi-Mundi was right there when he said it?? That was Anakin's biggest complaint, did you see anyone correct him there to calm him down.
Di you see Mundi say "urmm Anakin I was a Kinght when I was appointed" Later Kenobi calms him down, saying something like "Calm down, its a great honour to be appointed to the council at your age" nothing about, "Oh and Mundi was appointed a Knight as well!!!!"

That fact in the visual dictionary has been redered non-canon there by a G-Canon source! Thats what im trying to explain, but you guys have got a very 2 dimensional way thinking. Either canon or not. No levels, no contradictions. If there are it doesnt matter.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Maybe DP is being picky. He only ignores certain levels of canon that he decides.

Noooo, I ignore C-Canon where it contradicts G-Canon. Seriously im talking to a brick wall with u sidious66.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Do you see what you are doing here? You are taking it upon yourself to interpret the prophecy. Your explanation might make sense, but we do not know enough about the prophecy to try and interpret it.

The prophecy says he destroys the sith. Theres nothing to interpret there. DE said he didnt do that. Lucas says he did. Lucas>DE

For how long did the Prophecy say they would be destroyed?

DP is correct. Once again, from the mouth of George Lucas:

"The first film starts with the last age of the Republic, which is it's getting tired, it's old, it's getting corrupt.
There's the rise of the Sith, who are becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this we have Anakin Skywalker, a young boy who is destined to be a significant player in bringing balance back to the Force and to the Republic...
Then in the second film we get into more of that turmoil. It's the beginning of the Clone Wars, it's the beginning of the end of democracy in the Republic, sort of the beginning of the end of the Republic. And it's Anakin Skywalker beginning to deal with some of his more intense emotions of anger, hatred, sense of loss, possessiveness, jealousy, and the other things he has to cope with.
And then we will get to the 3rd film where he is seduced to the dark side..
Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."

And Sidious66 - There is ZERO doubt as to the identity of the Choosen One - IT'S ANAKIN!!

For how long did the Prophecy say they would be destroyed?

It doesn't seem to. So I think we can get around it by saying that its only temperary, but it means the the True Sith, DE and maybe Krayt might have to be thrown down the pooper.

Also: Someone ask Gideon what his opinion is. He's always on the ball about canon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'll has 2 l's in it btw.

Funny! Especially seeing as how you MISPELLED temporary.

Don't even compare that shit bro. I'll is kindergarden level. My 2 yr old lover can spell I'll. And he's retarded and kept drugged most of the time.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The prophecy says he destroys the sith. Theres nothing to interpret there. DE said he didnt do that. Lucas says he did. Lucas>DE

Originally posted by ares834
Lucas also says Luke never got married and his world is different from the EU.

Also:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine/

Notice how the EU is separated from the movies (Lucas' universe)? And also, notice how DE story is still fitted in the EU continuety.

Quit taking it upon yourself to interpret the prophecy and deciding what you believe should be canon or not, DP. You're making a fool of yourself to keep on like this. Lucas never said only Bane's order must be destroyed. He said the end of the sith and the evil in the universe.

@Jinsoku Takai:

Please do not put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
@Jinsoku Takai:

Please do not put words in my mouth.

You're right SIDIOUS 66 - That (the quote about not knowing who the Chosen One is) actually came from Slash KMC. Apologies!

@Slash KMC - There is ZERO doubt as to the identity of the Chosen One - IT'S ANAKIN!!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't even compare that shit bro.

😎

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
[b]fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."

Evil? Huh. Well I guess all of Star Wars post Return of the Jedi is non canon, then, since... every antagonist ever conceived has been "evil". If by killing Sideous and the Empire Anakin single handily destroyed everyone who wasn't a "good person" in the Galaxy... the entire galaxy... then any story in which there was a "bad guy" is now non canon.

Including Exar Kun, I guess.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Evil? Huh. Well I guess all of Star Wars post Return of the Jedi is non canon, then, since... every antagonist ever conceived has been "evil". If by killing Sideous and the Empire Anakin single handily destroyed everyone who wasn't a "good person" in the Galaxy... the entire galaxy... then any story in which there was a "bad guy" is now non canon.

Including Exar Kun, I guess.

Kind of the point of this entire debate... so... yeah. And Exar Kun is pre-RotJ (waaaaaaaaaaaaay pre RotJ), so not sure what he has to do with this.

Well, there's more, if you want to expand the canon debate. I just pointed this out in the other thread, for Darth Power and Nebaris' convenience.

Something that I'd like to point out, just to **** with Nebaris,

Lucas specifically banned the makers of the Star Wars cartoon from putting a cortosis vibroblade into it (That was what they wanted to do instead of the black lightsaber), because, according to him, "no sword like weapon should ever be shown blocking a lightsaber". He doesn't mind things with electrical fields like the electrostaffs, apparently. He doesn't like Cortosis though.

So, unless Nebaris and Darth Power want to use double standards, I guess all of KOTOR is non canon due to the fact that it clearly contradicts both GL's word and his universe.

derp.

KOTOR is not canon, all post RotJ EU is not canon. Wow...

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Well, there's more, if you want to expand the canon debate. I just pointed this out in the other thread, for Darth Power and Nebaris' convenience.

KOTOR is not canon, all post RotJ EU is not canon. Wow...

Fine with me. ***k KotOR a n d all post RotJ material. Doesn't hurt my feelings at all.

I'd be HUGELY interested in a sequel trilogy to the original SW trilogy - as I'm sure most everyone would be as well.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
@Slash KMC - There is ZERO doubt as to the identity of the Chosen One - IT'S ANAKIN!!

Perhaps DP can't prove it, but can you prove it while using in-universe sources?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh God a monkey whose an obsessive computer geek!

Whatever kid.

And so the difference to you between G and C canon is????

And urm yeah it contradicts the movies, which are the source of the eu, so its canonicity must at the very least be questioned.

No, it doesn't contradict the movies, but we'll get to it right now. G-Canon is George Lucas his universe, the novels, tv-show and the movies. C-Canon is everything else with the Star Wars license and that not does contradict the novels, tv-show or the movies.

Your really asking for insults arnt ya?

Whatever kid.

Mr. "Il call u dense but cant answer a simple question" is it canon or not that Mundi was the first knight on the council?? Il give u a clue.. G-Canon source says its false, whilst C-canon source says its true. See if monkey intellect can work that one out?

Maybe you should learn how to read. It's not canon because, I'll quote myself: "This is an in-universe contradiction in the story of Star Wars."

Il give you credit here for trying to give an explanation. But destroying a sith's physical body, only to have his concious go straight into a clone body, is not really destroying anything. Luke destroyed that first clone body? Right so? Ur making the prophecy mean absolute jack due to your ignorance.

You see, everything after the movies is canon unless proven to be a contradiction. Now prove that the prophecy refers to Sidious soul being destroyed.

HAHAHA! Do you even knw jack about Star Wars?! Anakin's not the chosen one??! LOL LOL

Urmm... Its stated by a guy called George Lucas..

as for the Bane cult, I was being kind to all the post ROTJ EU stuff, and saying it could have been JUST that. We know that is the cult Anakin destroyed.

I asked for an in-universe quote, meaning a quote in the story. Yet you haven't given that. If we take every word spoken by George Lucas as C-Canon as well, than we have nothing after RotJ, because there would be no evil left. Now if you can give me proof from the actual franchise and not from an interview that the Prophecy refers to Anakin destroying Sidious' soul, then DE would be non-canon.

So unless you give me some in-universe vast proof of DE contradicting the movies, then I'll counter your George Lucas said with: "fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."
This would mean that every evil entity after the movies would not be able to exist, so nothing after RotJ is Canon, right?

Also, can you please use correct grammar and spelling, it's not very difficult.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Fine with me. ***k KotOR a n d all post RotJ material. Doesn't hurt my feelings at all.

I'd be HUGELY interested in a sequel trilogy to the original SW trilogy - as I'm sure most everyone would be as well.

That'd be a sequel without evil whatsoever because Lucas said that all evil got rid from the universe. We'd probably have a wedding though.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Evil? Huh. Well I guess all of Star Wars post Return of the Jedi is non canon, then, since... every antagonist ever conceived has been "evil". If by killing Sideous and the Empire Anakin single handily destroyed everyone who wasn't a "good person" in the Galaxy... the entire galaxy... then any story in which there was a "bad guy" is now non canon.

Including Exar Kun, I guess.

Well according to Lucas there is no story after Episode 6 so yes, you are correct.

theory: DP is Gideon.

I'm still not positive it won't be LUKE who will turn out to be the chosen one and bring balance to the force.

DP is your argument thus:

1. Anakin is the chosen one. (Fair assumption)

2. The chosen one is to bring balance to the force. (granted, that's the prophecy)

3. "Bringing balance to the force" Means destroying the Sith? (The Jedi THOUGHT it meant that, but the Republic Jedi were wrong about a GREAT MANY things.)

It is a good THEORY but unprovable.

Please give us the source of the interpretation of the prophecy, because when I watched the movie, all I got was the JEDI'S interpretation of it. Sidious obviously didn't agree it meant that Anakin was going to destroy the sith, or he wouldn't have chosen him as an apprentice.