Captain America and Bucky vs Sabretooth

Started by King Castle26 pages

so that was what half a decade ago?

i never considered her a jobber just that powersets were depicted different in the 60 through 90's.

and depends what year spidey used his webbing.. back in the 80's Spidey was experimenting with his web tensile strength, stickiness it was high end stuff... even jugg had trouble with it since it was not only stronger then b4 but it also stretched making it difficult to break out of. Jugg even took down some buildings b4 the web gave due to it being anchored to the building and street..

other dudes who had problems with it was woodgod and hulk.. sure they broke out but it took them a lil extra umpfh..

I can't remeber Hulk having problems with webbing.

even thor once had trouble with spiderman's webbing as well....

Originally posted by King Castle
even thor once had trouble with spiderman's webbing as well....

I just remember the comic where he tore through it "as if it was not there"

I mean can't Spider-Man himself break it with some effort?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I just remember the comic where he tore through it "as if it was not there"

I mean can't Spider-Man himself break it with some effort?

yes. it depends on the writer normally a 10 to 30 tonner should be capable of easily tearing it.

the thor reference was back in the day when suspension of disbelief was high.. Spidey made some web walls and thor was slowed down also if i recall correctly spidey manage to web mjonlir and slow it down.. 😬

Seems completely accrate to me. 🙂

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I just remember the comic where he tore through it "as if it was not there"
That was Hulk.

Originally posted by Deadline

Martial skill, tactics and theres two of them.

tactical prowess isn't a physical catagory, and i doubt very much that they are more combat tactics savvy than sabretooth, just because being a great tactician is one of Caps note worthy strong points doesn't mean he's better then someone who, has fought just as varied opponents through out a career which is as long or longer than Cap. Creed is a master tactician in his own specialized way.

Martial skill meh, it's not the same as Fighting IQ, But to clarify by physical advantage imean the bread and butter.

Strength
Speed
Reflxes
Agility
Durability
Regeneration
Senses
Size/Reach
Stamina

Originally posted by King Castle
so that was what half a decade ago?

i never considered her a jobber just that powersets were depicted different in the 60 through 90's.

and depends what year spidey used his webbing.. back in the 80's Spidey was experimenting with his web tensile strength, stickiness it was high end stuff... even jugg had trouble with it since it was not only stronger then b4 but it also stretched making it difficult to break out of. Jugg even took down some buildings b4 the web gave due to it being anchored to the building and street..

other dudes who had problems with it was woodgod and hulk.. sure they broke out but it took them a lil extra umpfh..

no it was during civil war

well then.. i blame Spidey's jobber aura and not Ms. Marvel..

he pulls sh#$ like that b/c he is popular.

i agree she should be able to break out of it or tear the strands unless she was tripped.. or completely enveloped..

but, Ms. Marvel's statement on sabe still stands. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Sin I AM
no it was during civil war
Spidey also webbed up Extremis Iron Man in that same time frame. 😬

wasnt the ironman one when he had the other power?

i am getting confused my head hurts trying to put things in continuity 😮

Yeah, Ms Marvel looked stupid there.

Originally posted by Juk3n
tactical prowess isn't a physical catagory, and i doubt very much that they are more combat tactics savvy than sabretooth, just because being a great tactician is one of Caps note worthy strong points doesn't mean he's better then someone who, has fought just as varied opponents through out a career which is as long or longer than Cap. Creed is a master tactician in his own specialized way.

Cap has been sent back in time 100s of times by Korvac. Caps career is vastly superior to Sabretooths.

Originally posted by Juk3n

Martial skill meh, it's not the same as Fighting IQ,

I don't know this sounds like semantics tactics/fighting IQ.

Originally posted by Juk3n

But to clarify by physical advantage imean the bread and butter.

Strength
Speed
Reflxes
Agility
Durability
Regeneration
Senses
Size/Reach
Stamina

Upgraded Spiderman had superior:

Strength class 25
Durability (plus added protection from suit)
Senses
Stamina
Speed
Reflexes

Was still getting his arse handed to him by Cap. There two of them.

Originally posted by Deadline

Upgraded Spiderman had superior:

Strength class 25
Durability (plus added protection from suit)
Senses
Stamina
Speed
Reflexes

Was still getting his arse handed to him by Cap. There two of them.

well, it WAS Spiderman cap was fighting 😬

If spiderman had 100 years of MA and Combat tactics im sure that scuffle with cap would have gone a lil different. Even with spideys suit (if its iron spider you're referring to) Sabretooth is more durable than that suit. And has better stamina and almost there speed - although you couldn't prove spiderman is faster than sabretooth on a forum.

And Cap knows spiderman alot better than he knows sabretooth, and by know i mean skills, strengths, likely tactics, mindset. Pete isnt a killer, Cap knows this, thats a luxury in a fight.

he doesn't have it here. They're both null opponents fighting sabretooth 1on 1 on a forum, there chances are slim imo

Originally posted by Juk3n
well, it WAS Spiderman cap was fighting 😬

If spiderman had 100 years of MA and Combat tactics im sure that scuffle with cap would have gone a lil different. Even with spideys suit (if its iron spider you're referring to) Sabretooth is more durable than that suit. And has better stamina and almost there speed - although you couldn't prove spiderman is faster than sabretooth on a forum.

And Cap knows spiderman alot better than he knows sabretooth, and by know i mean skills, strengths, likely tactics, mindset. Pete isnt a killer, Cap knows this, thats a luxury in a fight.

he doesn't have it here. They're both null opponents fighting sabretooth 1on 1 on a forum, there chances are slim imo

Scorpion. Stronger, faster more durable. Cap knows Wolverine very well, I'm sure that would help.

Don't think anybody has really proved that Sabretooth has uber durability its his HF.

Originally posted by Deadline
Don't think anybody has really proved that Sabretooth has uber durability its his HF.

no ones bothered t try and prove it because it's not up for debate he is super humanly durable it's his BASIC character powerset,

want a working example? ok. Deadpool has a ealing factor second only to Hulk. If DP was hit with a grenade he would be liquified (or limbless) and start regening instantly as weve seen agree?

^ not uber durable, but insane healing
sabretooths body simply treated the explosion as a blunt force and resisted the damage, and dismemberment assossiated with grenades. im sure the resulting flames caused some little tiny need for his HF to kick in but on the whole the impact from the centre mass grenade didnt affect his body.

see blackbird crash
see ms marvels comments
see sasquatch fight
see rogue fight
see wolverines own comments
see punching and clawing through steel
how many examples does it take?

not super durable riiight.

Originally posted by Juk3n
no ones bothered t try and prove it because it's not up for debate he is super humanly durable it's his BASIC character powerset,

want a working example? ok. Deadpool has a ealing factor second only to Hulk. If DP was hit with a grenade he would be liquified (or limbless) and start regening instantly as weve seen agree?

I'm reasonably sure there are examples were that hasn't happened, so no.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5219/deadpool01p102vc.jpg

Originally posted by Juk3n

^ not uber durable, but insane healing
sabretooths body simply treated the explosion as a blunt force and resisted the damage, and dismemberment assossiated with grenades. im sure the resulting flames caused some little tiny need for his HF to kick in but on the whole the impact from the centre mass grenade didnt affect his body.

see blackbird crash
see ms marvels comments
see sasquatch fight
see rogue fight
see wolverines own comments
see punching and clawing through steel
how many examples does it take?

not super durable riiight.

All those examples are with Sabretooth not having adamantuim? Cap has taken shots from a bloodlusted Iron Man and Mr Hyde.......

Heres Deadpool getting hit by Sasquatch.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5316/deadpool00124.jpg

Theres this as well.

http://img203.imageshack.us/i/dpmwam10legioncps016.png/
http://img85.imageshack.us/f/dpmwam10legioncps018.png/

Deadpool has superhuman durability. Well yea but its his HF.
Wait are we arguing that Wolverine has triouble cutting Sabretooth but bullets don't? That's not PIS?

This is utterly absurd...

First off, where is deadpool relative to those explosions? Is he being hit center mass by them? Give us some god damned CONTEXT....

Because the fact of the matter is that plenty of characters survive being inside the blast radius of explosion's in comics, Spiderman did it inside the blast radius of an explosion that took off the top of a building. But that isn't the same thing as having a projectile grenade hit you in the friggin CHEST and wading through it...

You know it really doesn't matter much since we've already seen this argument put to rest.

When Sabretooth and Wolverine crashlanded the Blackbird, Sabretooth took the brunt of the collision. But when we see them next it's only Wolverine who's been reduced to have an Adamantium Skeleton... Sabretooth? Yeah, all he had was some skin damage in patches. That's not HF in effect, it's DURABILITY.

No one in Silver Sable's class including herself have ever regarded Cap's durability as being a reason for pain in and of itself as far as I'm aware.
That fact alone puts a very undergraded Sabretooth above Cap.

But then you have a class 5 Black Cat ALSO hurting herself hitting Creed... Is that ALSO because of his healing factor you dolt?

Tell me:
How are you going to explain that a class 65+ couldn't use a nerve pinch on Sabretooth because of his muscles being too dense?

Explain that one Deadline.... 😐

I understand you generally hate everything Wolvie related and argue for argument's sake pretty much ALL the time... but still it's shocking.. I mean, I can't believe how far you are willing to lowball any Wolverine related character here no matter how many times something's been stated, or proven, for that matter I can't believe how many times you're willing to brush off us TELLING you these FACTS flat out......
but you want us to put credence into Cap hurting Professor Hulk? 🤨

What a joke you are.
Sabretooth has superhuman durability.
It's been proven time and time again, stop being a ****ing troll you ignorant illiterate piece. 😐