Originally posted by jinzinSorry. But something actually happening on-panel multiple times that you absolutely hate isn't PIS.
... Says the guy who combes my whole post for one thing to nitpick.Or maybe it proved some people's inability to determine what PIS actually is.. hmmm just sayin.
It's jut something actually happening on-panel multiple times (and likely in the near future again -- as it's happened several times since you started labeling it PIS years ago) that you absolutely hate.
^ If there were opposing evidence, you'd have showed it by now. As it stands, there is direct, no circumstantial bs, on-panel evidence where Wolverine's skull has been penetrated through to the brain. He's even stabbed himself through his own eyes.
Get over it. I'm not telling you to stop hating all those different comic writers (we know you won't stop). Just stop pretending like the evidence weighs in your favor.
Labeling it a phantom bone theory is a transparent straw-man. The only ridonkulous theory being proposed here is that those half-dozen instances never happened because real life human anatomy should instruct how a fake comic book feral mutant's skeleton ought to be structured despite half a dozen on-panel direct instances and several reinforcing narrative instances telling you otherwise.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
because real life human anatomy should instruct how a fake comic book feral mutant's skeleton ought to be structured despite half a dozen on-panel direct instances and several reinforcing narrative instances telling you otherwise.
Yes but there is no reason to think that Wolverines skull is any different from a human skill, the only difference is that it's adamantuim and it has claws. Apart from him getting shot I don't think you've actually proven he has holes big enough to let a bullet through.
The reason why I think its PIS is because the writers allow that to happen because they don't know human anatomy well enough not because he's a mutant with a different skull structure. If they knew that eye sockets only have tiny holes they wouldn't allow it to happen, thats obvoulsy why bullets bounce off his forhead there is adamantuim in the way.
People could argue that Wolverine should be sent into orbit when he gets hit by a class 100 punches that doesn't happen because the writers don't give a shit about physics, the reason why bullets go into his brain is due to lack of knowledge of the human skeleton.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If there were opposing evidence, you'd have showed it by now. As it stands, there is direct, no circumstantial bs, on-panel evidence where Wolverine's skull has been penetrated through to the brain. He's even stabbed himself through his own eyes.Get over it. I'm not telling you to stop hating all those different comic writers (we know you won't stop). Just stop pretending like the evidence weighs in your favor.
Labeling it a phantom bone theory is a transparent straw-man. The only ridonkulous theory being proposed here is that those half-dozen instances never happened because real life human anatomy should instruct how a fake comic book feral mutant's skeleton ought to be structured despite half a dozen on-panel direct instances and several reinforcing narrative instances telling you otherwise.
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Like I said you're being touchy.. and NOW typically showing off your douchbaggery yet again.
Look, there IS opposing evidence and it has been posted numerous times so you're being typically hypocritical pretending that opposing evidence doesn't exist.
I don't hate that Wolverine's been shot through the eye, ear, under the jaw etc.. I think it's stupid, but I certainly don't hate the sheer existence of that evidence, and you should know by now I've flipped flopped on the subject about several times because of the existence of evidence that both sides have to offer.
No one here, including myself HAS EVER tried to make an argument proposing that the evidence on your side "never happened" so you can get that strawman nonsense outta here.
But that's just the point I've been getting at with Deadline, just because something's happened in a comic doesn't make it credible evidence to use in a forum debate... Especially when you have to put even comic book logic on hold to bare witness.
Personally, I'm on the fence about this particular issue. I think you've made plenty of arguments supporting your case and you've done a... well mostly ok job of it. But there are counter arguments that are also well constructed.
To be honest I'm not picking a side on that issue until it's something that's confirmed either way as a legit plot point.
That's why I labeled it a phantom bone theory.. Logan would literally have to be missing bones to make those instances plausible.. It's a theory because it's never been confirmed that he's been missing those bones, which would be the final nail in the coffin in this debate. That you get so up in arms and offended/offensive about something like this is just goofy. Grow up.
Originally posted by jinzin
😂Like I said you're being touchy.. and NOW typically showing off your douchbaggery yet again.
Look, there IS opposing evidence and it has been posted numerous times so you're being typically hypocritical pretending that opposing evidence doesn't exist.
I don't hate that Wolverine's been shot through the eye, ear, under the jaw etc.. I think it's stupid, but I certainly don't hate the sheer existence of that evidence, and you should know by now I've flipped flopped on the subject about several times because of the existence of evidence that both sides have to offer.
No one here, including myself HAS EVER tried to make an argument proposing that the evidence on your side "never happened" so you can get that strawman nonsense outta here.
But that's just the point I've been getting at with Deadline, just because something's happened in a comic doesn't make it credible evidence to use in a forum debate... Especially when you have to put even comic book logic on hold to bare witness.
Personally, I'm on the fence about this particular issue. I think you've made plenty of arguments supporting your case and you've done a... well mostly ok job of it. But there are counter arguments that are also well constructed.
To be honest I'm not picking a side on that issue until it's something that's confirmed either way as a legit plot point.That's why I labeled it a phantom bone theory.. Logan would literally have to be missing bones to make those instances plausible.. It's a theory because it's never been confirmed that he's been missing those bones, which would be the final nail in the coffin in this debate. That you get so up in arms and offended/offensive about something like this is just goofy. Grow up.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yes but there is no reason to think that Wolverines skull is any different from a human skill, the only difference is that it's adamantuim and it has claws. Apart from him getting shot I don't think you've actually proven he has holes big enough to let a bullet through.The reason why I think its PIS is because the writers allow that to happen because they don't know human anatomy well enough not because he's a mutant with a different skull structure. If they knew that eye sockets only have tiny holes they wouldn't allow it to happen, thats obvoulsy why bullets bounce off his forhead there is adamantuim in the way.
People could argue that Wolverine should be sent into orbit when he gets hit by a class 100 punches that doesn't happen because the writers don't give a shit about physics, the reason why bullets go into his brain is due to lack of knowledge of the human skeleton.
Originally posted by jinzinK, thar.
Like I said you're being touchy.. and NOW typically showing off your douchbaggery yet again.
Originally posted by jinzinLook at how I qualify evidence in my statement: "direct, no circumstantial bs, on-panel evidence." I haven't seen anything of that nature. Feel free to post it again.
Look, there IS opposing evidence and it has been posted numerous times so you're being typically hypocritical pretending that opposing evidence doesn't exist.
Originally posted by jinzinSomething happening over and over again is the establishment of comic book logic. I've seen numerous times where Wolverine doesn't get turned into jelly by taking a class 100 brick's punch. It's established. I've seen numerous times where Wolverine gets reduced to skeleton or near skeletal states and he still heals, violating the law of conservation of mass. It's established.
No one here, including myself HAS EVER tried to make an argument proposing that the evidence on your side "never happened" so you can get that strawman nonsense outta here.But that's just the point I've been getting at with Deadline, just because something's happened in a comic doesn't make it credible evidence to use in a forum debate... Especially when you have to put even comic book logic on hold to bare witness.
This. This is established.
Originally posted by jinzinThere is no fence.
Personally, I'm on the fence about this particular issue. I think you've made plenty of arguments supporting your case and you've done a... well mostly ok job of it. But there are counter arguments that are also well constructed.To be honest I'm not picking a side on that issue until it's something that's confirmed either way as a legit plot point.
I don't know what more confirmation you need other than it continuing to happen on-panel. Wolverine having his brain penetrated through orificies has happened directly, with no circumstantial bs, and on-panel three more times since we started arguing over it way back when Scalphunter first shot Wolverine through the eye. That's all in addition to the evidence offered before the Scalphunter incident.
What are you waiting for? A handbook? A writer's interview?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
K, thar. Look at how I qualify evidence in my statement: "direct, no circumstantial bs, on-panel evidence." I haven't seen anything of that nature. Feel free to post it again. Something happening over and over again is the establishment of comic book logic. I've seen numerous times where Wolverine doesn't get turned into jelly by taking a class 100 brick's punch. It's established. I've seen numerous times where Wolverine gets reduced to skeleton or near skeletal states and he still heals, violating the law of conservation of mass. It's established.This. This is established. There is no fence.
I don't know what more confirmation you need other than it continuing to happen on-panel. Wolverine having his brain penetrated through orificies has happened directly, with no circumstantial bs, and on-panel three more times since we started arguing over it way back when Scalphunter first shot Wolverine through the eye. That's all in addition to the evidence offered before the Scalphunter incident.
What are you waiting for? A handbook? A writer's interview?
Except for the fact that there is.
There's evidence of Wolverine being shot through the eye to no effect.
There's scans of the bone behind his eye being there.
There's the logic behind the fact that this is a weakness/variable in Wolverine's skeleton that's never been mentioned once on panel or explained.
I'm not going to rehash a number of convincing and logical arguments that other people have already addressed you with.
As I've said, you've made your case, it's a good one, others have made theirs and it's a good one.
And given that there IS evidence on both sides, logic on both sides, and logical fallacies on both sides of this debate then yes, I'm quite comfortable waiting until it's directly addressed by official rocognition of SOME sort one way or the other.
Again, you're argument at base value (it's happened) dictates that Wolverine's ALSO missing a spine, ribcage, and a sternum, I don't think anyone's prepared to try and make that a legitimate position in the forums. 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
Except for the fact that there is.
There's evidence of Wolverine being shot through the eye to no effect.
There's scans of the bone behind his eye being there.
There's the logic behind the fact that this is a weakness/variable in Wolverine's skeleton that's never been mentioned once on panel or explained.
I'm not going to rehash a number of convincing and logical arguments that other people have already addressed you with.As I've said, you've made your case, it's a good one, others have made theirs and it's a good one.
And given that there IS evidence on both sides, logic on both sides, and logical fallacies on both sides of this debate then yes, I'm quite comfortable waiting until it's directly addressed by official rocognition of SOME sort one way or the other.Again, you're argument at base value (it's happened) dictates that Wolverine's ALSO missing a spine, ribcage, and a sternum, I don't think anyone's prepared to try and make that a legitimate position in the forums. 😬
Hell just froze over, I agree bigtime (especially the last sentence). However if you can provide alot of scans of him getting shot in the eye that would reinforce your point even further.
Originally posted by jinzinI am...provided there's enough evidence to make a good caseAgain, you're argument at base value (it's happened) dictates that Wolverine's ALSO missing a spine, ribcage, and a sternum, I don't think anyone's prepared to try and make that a legitimate position in the forums. 😬
Originally posted by Stoic
then again Steve is a very tactical and savvy character. I can see Steve taking a few alone, with or without the side-kick.
So, Steve, in a 1v1 fight, where the other guy is;
Stronger by a significant margin
Faster
More agile
Has faster reflexes
Is full on brick durable to blunt force trauma
Has perma weapons of squishy destruction that cannot be disarmed.
Has a reach advantage
Is a nigh-on-tactical genius himself specifically combat awareness.
Is more ruthless
Has a battlefield regeneration better than wolverine.
..has a chance at taking this himself because he knows Judo?
This fight plays out 2 different ways, one is a fairy tale and is the comic depiction where the all american puts his leftwing boot into a physically superior opponent. Th other is a forum fight where "steve soloes" or in some ridiculous cases "bucky has a shot alone" is bordering on comicvine insane.