Your whole line of logic is flawed
Comics don't have different types of durability that whole line of reasoning like Piercing=/=blunt force blows goes out the window when your having a debate.
If a character was truly super durable bullets would not be able to pierce their skin. Characters able to punch through steel would easily have more stopping power than any type of gun. So logically we know that if a character is consistently penetrated by bullets that it is genuine PIS that they survive getting punched by a character that much stronger than a Bullet's stopping power.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Your whole line of logic is flawedComics don't have different types of durability that whole line of reasoning like Piercing=/=blunt force blows goes out the window when your having a debate.
If a character was truly super durable bullets would not be able to pierce their skin. Characters able to punch through steel would easily have more stopping power than any type of gun. So logically we know that if a character is consistently penetrated by bullets that it is genuine PIS that they survive getting punched by a character that much stronger than a Bullet's stopping power.
piercing damage IS different from Blunt force trauma, thats why spiderman can take a hit from the MASSIVE FIST of class 100 Rhino, but can be stabbed by anyone. Comics DO have different types of durability the whole line of reasoning behind debating bullet durability vs Fist/object/blunt forcer trauma durability is especially valid in debates. i don't think ive seen a post with more wrongy wrongness in all my time here in f77.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Steve and Buck are too squishy, Sabes has them in every physical catagory save h2h skill vs Steve, and even then im talking martial arts skill, not fighting IQ which he may well be equal aswell. Adamantium Sabes is a complete lock, non adamantium just wins, Sabes isn't getting KOed by punches from a 2 tonner in any universe let alone on a forum.
By the way Cap does actually have the skill to KO Sabretooth. His punches have worked on people far tougher.
Originally posted by Deadline
By the way Cap does actually have the skill to KO Sabretooth. His punches have worked on people far tougher.
Steves average Punching showings are far below Sabretooths average blunt force trauma resistance showings. The pair hold not 1 single physical advantage, they would win by plot device in comics, on a forum they have a very slim chance.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Steves average Punching showings are far below Sabretooths average blunt force trauma resistance showings.
Steve doesn't usually fight people tougher than Sabretooth on an average basis, but when he does he gots loads of showings that prove he can.
Originally posted by Juk3n
The pair hold not 1 single physical advantage, they would win by plot device in comics, on a forum they have a very slim chance.
Martial skill, tactics and theres two of them.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Your whole line of logic is flawedComics don't have different types of durability that whole line of reasoning like Piercing=/=blunt force blows goes out the window when your having a debate.
If a character was truly super durable bullets would not be able to pierce their skin. Characters able to punch through steel would easily have more stopping power than any type of gun. So logically we know that if a character is consistently penetrated by bullets that it is genuine PIS that they survive getting punched by a character that much stronger than a Bullet's stopping power.
Do you even understand how piecing/cutting/and blunt force trauma differ at a physics level? 🤨
Just look at a bullet proof vest and you have your answer...
there ARE different types of durability used in comics and you acting like a child about it isn't going to change that.
Originally posted by Deadline
By the way Cap does actually have the skill to KO Sabretooth. His punches have worked on people far tougher.
1. Cap puncing out bricks is PIS.
You know that.
2. Even IF you want to take this stance and pretend it isn't PIS, Cap doesn't put down people with Sabretooth's level of durability AND healing... He has a hard enough time attempting that shit on Logan.
Originally posted by jinzin
1. Cap puncing out bricks is PIS.
You know that.
That I agree with but Creed standard portrayal is being over blown for his High end feats as well. Cap with his shield has hurt bricks because of the shield though and that I don't consider PIS.
Just the fist punching is a bit to much.
I do give Creed the advantage though and that includes over your fan favorite Elektra as well. 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
1. Cap puncing out bricks is PIS.
You know that.
Ok then Wolverine taking class 100 shots is PIS then. Considering that bullets, swords and even punches can make him bleed one class 100 punch will destory his flesh.
Originally posted by jinzin
2. Even IF you want to take this stance and pretend it isn't PIS, Cap doesn't put down people with Sabretooth's level of durability AND healing... He has a hard enough time attempting that shit on Logan.
Proffessor Hulk, Korvac, Thunderball etc.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
That I agree with but Creed standard portrayal is being over blown for his High end feats as well. Cap with his shield has hurt bricks because of the shield though and that I don't consider PIS.Just the fist punching is a bit to much.
I do give Creed the advantage though and that includes over your fan favorite Elektra as well. 🙂
It's not PIS hes been doing shit like that since his early appearances. His shield maybe indestructible but the same logic applies Cap at most has class 2 strength.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
That I agree with but Creed standard portrayal is being over blown for his High end feats as well. Cap with his shield has hurt bricks because of the shield though and that I don't consider PIS.Just the fist punching is a bit to much.
I do give Creed the advantage though and that includes over your fan favorite Elektra as well. 🙂
😂
Fair enough...
Yeah Cap hurting people of high end durability with his shield is fine IMO to an extent at least.. but the fist stuff... bleh.
Originally posted by jinzin
Do you even understand how piecing/cutting/and blunt force trauma differ at a physics level? 🤨Just look at a bullet proof vest and you have your answer...
there ARE different types of durability used in comics and you acting like a child about it isn't going to change that.
LOL
Talk about grade school logic
This has nothing to do with physics and your rational about bullet proof vests is idiotic absorbing small arms impact is the only thing stopping the bullet from passing through the vest. In case you didn't know this is why people are bruised when they get shot while wearing a vest. Its not stopping the impact its only absorbing it and keeping it from reaching its full potential energy by spreading it throughout the vest.
A bullets stopping power is enough to pierce Sabertooth's skin and this is consistent with his character. You wanting to hand wave this away as an instance of different types of durability is even more laughable.
A regular bullet has enough force to super cede any type of durability Creed may have.
Class 20 and above characters have at least 49 times the energy out put in their fists than any bullet has coming out the muzzle. Resistance to blunt force trauma is one thing but using this as an example of him having superhuman durability that can survive falls from the sky and punches from Ms Marvel like its nothing is stupid. He would truly be bulletproof if this was the case hes not however so I can easily make the claim that all his high end showings you've been talking about are most likely PIS.
Originally posted by SasuOnaClass 20 and above characters have at least 49 times the energy out put in their fists than any bullet has coming out the muzzle. Resistance to blunt force trauma is one thing but using this as an example of him having superhuman durability that can survive falls from the sky and punches from Ms Marvel like its nothing is stupid. He would truly be bulletproof if this was the case hes not however so I can easily make the claim that all his high end showings are PIS.
I don't actually agree with your logic but jinzin is going to argue against you and reinforce my point. Logically Sabretooth shouldn't be able to withstand some of those blunt trauma attacks but hes going to argue that its not PIS and then argue that its PIS for Cap to hurt bricks with his fist. Double standards.
It doesn't neccsarily have to make any sense, except for some rare examples consistency is the most important factor that makes a feat not PIS.
Oh wait he was trying to use real world logic to justify it.....
Originally posted by DeadlineClass 100 shots liquify every organ in his body... I don't know how many times it has to be pointed out to you that this statement's been made in comics.
Ok then Wolverine taking class 100 shots is PIS then. Considering that bullets, swords and even punches can make him bleed one class 100 punch will destory his flesh.
I know Srank has been doing it for years.
Between Wolverine having an adamantium skeleton, superhuman body, and a healing factor that can heal mortal injury as fast as it was made... How is him taking a class 100 shot PIS?
Originally posted by Deadline
Proffessor Hulk, Korvac, Thunderball etc.
Are fantastic examples of PIS thank you.
You don't understand the difference between a character being written up, down, or typical on panel representation?
Well of course not but I digress.
Originally posted by Deadline
It's not PIS hes been doing shit like that since his early appearances. His shield maybe indestructible but the same logic applies Cap at most has class 2 strength.
Tell me logically how Cap's class 2 strength is a means to bybass class 100+ durability that has proven to resist even various forms of adamantium weaponry...
Is Cap more durable than Adamantium now?
Bleh, it really doesn't matter Deadline because your ass backwards logic is completely flawed anyways.
"Cap takes tougher guys than Sabretooth all the time" isn't an answer on how he is going to win this fight.
1.) SABRETOOTH takes tougher guys than Cap all the time.
-It's an argument that works both ways and it certainly doesn't address anything even remotely relivent in the thread.
2.) Sabretooth makes it his dayjob to harrass, beat, and humiliate someone who is practically Cap's carbon copy in Wolverine... except that when he beats on Wolverine he has to work past a healing factor that's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cap's healing abilities AND he thinks it's a game when he is doing so.
3.)The real issue doesn't even have to do with the fact that Sabretooth takes tougher guys out than Cap, it has to do much more with the fact that Sabretooth IS a tougher guy than Cap....
Again....
This:
Even IF Captain America had the damage output to be able to break Sabretooth's bones with his blows (And he certainly does not), AND he had some sort of attack that could break all of Sabretooth's bones at once..... look at how much good that would be doing him. 😐
NONE comes to mind.
So no, unless you can explain to me how Cap is going to win besides just insisting that he will, I'm not going to even begin taking your argument seriously.
The fact that a weaker version of Sabretooth beat Cap's elseworlds equal with more weaponry is just icing on that particular cake....
Sabretooth FTW.
Originally posted by SasuOna
LOL
Talk about grade school logicThis has nothing to do with physics and your rational about bullet proof vests is idiotic absorbing small arms impact is the only thing stopping the bullet from passing through the vest. In case you didn't know this is why people are bruised when they get shot while wearing a vest. Its not stopping the impact its only absorbing it and keeping it from reaching its full potential energy by spreading it throughout the vest.
A bullets stopping power is enough to pierce Sabertooth's skin and this is consistent with his character. You wanting to hand wave this away as an instance of different types of durability is even more laughable.
A regular bullet has enough force to super cede any type of durability Creed may have.
Class 20 and above characters have at least 49 times the energy out put in their fists than any bullet has coming out the muzzle. Resistance to blunt force trauma is one thing but using this as an example of him having superhuman durability that can survive falls from the sky and punches from Ms Marvel like its nothing is stupid. He would truly be bulletproof if this was the case hes not however so I can easily make the claim that all his high end showings you've been talking about are most likely PIS.
A bullet proof vest absorbs the impact and redistributes it across the surface area... it can't do that with a knife because the surface area of the weapon is too damned small to redistribute or absorb.
The fact that you can't even concede to that FACT that knives going through vests and bullets failing is sheer proof to how idiotic your ability to engage in critical thinking truly is.
The fact that Sabretooth has different types of durability is "consistent with his character" and the fact that you want to hand wave this away by arguing against his consistency only when it suits you is what's laughable here.
Bullets have flat out failed to reach Sabretooth's brain upon impact of his skull 2 out of 2 times.
Again your entire argument beckons people to IGNORE the FACT that comics have varying levels of durability.
It beckons us to IGNORE the FACT that Sabretooth take class 100 shots with a smile on his face.
It basically beckons us to IGNORE the entirety of Sabretooth's career displaying superhuman durability.
And all the while you want to take instances from Sabretooth's "conisistency" getting shot or cut to support your case?
Like I said, ridiculous and childish.