Originally posted by Deadline
I don't actually agree with your logic but jinzin is going to argue against you and reinforce my point. Logically Sabretooth shouldn't be able to withstand some of those blunt trauma attacks but hes going to argue that its not PIS and then argue that its PIS for Cap to hurt bricks with his fist. Double standards.It doesn't neccsarily have to make any sense, except for some rare examples consistency is the most important factor that makes a feat not PIS.
Oh wait he was trying to use real world logic to justify it.....
Lol the only thing that I was using real world logic for was to convey a simple principle that varying levels of durability are suseptible to varying types of attacks/weaponry.
Comics use the notion of that principle ALL THE TIME.
and if you think otherwise and you're willing to piss on that principle to belittle my argument....
Then:
Tell me why in your opinion Sabretooth getting shot is something that should be taken at face value and NOT Sabretooth having absurd levels of superhuman durability... Because I can pretty much guarantee that when it comes to consistency.. superhuman Sabretooth is displayed a LOT more often. 😐
Again, you don't understand the differences between character's being written up or down, OR typical representations.. so I don't actually expect a thought provoking answer here.
WOW
only problem is knives don't go through vests that are made to deal with that type of thing like the ones with ceramic plates, so there goes your whole line of using made up logic again.
they penetrate regular bullet proof vests because the point of the knife can slip and weave through the fabric not because they have any type of difference in the damage they cause compared to a bullet.
LOL at your grade school logic
Sabertooth doesn't have superhuman durability thats just a trope that you are needlessly abusing in a debate. Once again his healing factor is the thing allowing him to survive all that abuse.
Originally posted by SasuOna
WOWonly problem is knives don't go through vests that are made to deal with that type of thing like the ones with ceramic plates, so there goes your whole line of using made up logic again.
they penetrate regular bullet proof vests because the point of the knife can slip and weave through the fabric not because they have any type of difference in the damage they cause compared to a bullet.
LOL at your grade school logic
Sabertooth doesn't have superhuman durability thats just a trope that you are needlessly abusing in a debate. Once again his healing factor is the thing allowing him to survive all that abuse.
That actually kinda makes sense. Obvoulsy Sabretooth is alot more durable than a normal human, but I wouldn't really say he has superhuman durability. Its like it says in Wolverines bio: Superhuman durbaility regenerative (or something like that). I think I agree with you.
Damn it I'm not supposed to be posting.
ceramic kevlar chest plate also crack when you drop them and are not suppose to be used due to them being compromised..
also depending on the depth and the material a blade can or just as easily not penetrate.
a good thick kevlar chest plate i doubt a blade can penetrate it.
other types like used by police have a better chance of being penetrated by a knife.
but non of that has anything to do with this debate.
aside from that its bn stated on panel about sabretooth's muscle mass from Ms. marvel, synch in the phalanx storyline and even by himself due to his upgraded status... others included have bn wolverine..
Whether ppl wanna admit it or not sabe's durability is superhuman
Originally posted by SasuOna
WOWonly problem is knives don't go through vests that are made to deal with that type of thing
So they have to specialize the vest to stop the knife huh?....
proof of varying levels of durability...
Well done.
Originally posted by SasuOna
like the ones with ceramic plates, so there goes your whole line of using made up logic again.
Originally posted by SasuOna
they penetrate regular bullet proof vests because the point of the knife can slip and weave through the fabric not because they have any type of difference in the damage they cause compared to a bullet.
LOL at your grade school logic
Originally posted by SasuOnaUh, yeah he does....
Sabertooth doesn't have superhuman durability thats just a trope that you are needlessly abusing in a debate. Once again his healing factor is the thing allowing him to survive all that abuse.
Again, WHERE are you getting your information?
That's not a rhetorical question I'd really like to know.
Originally posted by Deadline
That actually kinda makes sense. Obvoulsy Sabretooth is alot more durable than a normal human, but I wouldn't really say he has superhuman durability. Its like it says in Wolverines bio: Superhuman durbaility regenerative (or something like that). I think I agree with you.Damn it I'm not supposed to be posting.
Sabretooth tanks class 100 punches to the face, his muscles are like steel cables too durable for a class 65 to nerve pinch, he's tanked a granade launcher landing center mass, he walked out of a black birg jet crash at the nose of the plane with minor tissue damage, he shrugged off a rail gun designed to kill him, shrugged off an Iron Fist attack with no tissue damage, Black Cat suped to classic Spidey levels hurt herself kicking Creed, Silver Sable said Sabretooth was harder than a brick wall, he tanked a head on collision from Cannonball, again his friggin FINGERNAILS can cut through stone, steel, iron rock.
He's superhuman in durability. Even Wolverine's referenced that while trying to cut him with his damned Adamantium claws for god sakes...
But you think otherwise huh?
Yeah... guess we'll just add that to the loonnnnnnnnng ass laundry list of bathoonery when it comes to you and your take on Wolverine/wolvie brood characters..
Par for the course Deadline... Par for the course.
i find it odd that repeated mention of his superhuman attributes from various ppl and writers has less legitimacy then when it is applied to other heroes like DD and his one shot throat chop..facepalm2
how can a character and his history be so blatantly ignored while another is praised and reference as a likely used ability?
Originally posted by King Castle
i find it odd that repeated mention of his superhuman attributes from various ppl and writers has less legitimacy then when it is applied to other heroes like DD and his one shot throat chop..facepalm2how can a character and his history be so blatantly ignored while another is praised and reference as a likely used ability?
Logically? It can't...
But you see that's where guys like Deadline and Sas are able to put us at our wit's end.
They're able to think outside the box (Way outside the box) allowing their characters to win... because... well...... because whatever they want. thumbsup
Guys like you and I could only HOPE to aspire to such vision.
it was used to show a probable scenario nothing more....
what pisses me off is that Cap doesnt have to work this hard for his attributes of poison immunity, superhuman low end strength, durability, low end regeneration and host of other abilities that we regularly acknowledge when he has less then 1 or 2 showings of said abilities..
Originally posted by Sin I AM
i wont miss you sweetheart 😮💨People STILL keep confusing HF with Durability...his hf is superhuman in the broadest sense of the term and only in regards to blunt trauma. Its his hf thats makes him a force to be reckoned with.
When Ms. Marvel can't squeeze your muscles and tendons because they're too hard, that has nothing to do with a healing factor.
Originally posted by Sin I AMsmoking is bad for you..
i wont miss you sweetheart 😮💨People STILL keep confusing HF with Durability...his hf is superhuman in the broadest sense of the term and only in regards to blunt trauma. Its his hf thats makes him a force to be reckoned with.
😑
Sabretooth took a shot to the chest with a rail gun with no effect he claimed it was thanks to his son's upgrade..
Ms. Marvel tried to pinch him and pummel him and stated she was unable to apply a nerve pinch that his muscles were like steel.
Synch from generation X during the Phalanx storyline stated that he got his added muscle mass and height from his mutagenic aura which latched on to Sabretooth...
Wolverine when he was held captive by the weapon X and the director fought Sabe and stated that Sabe was not just faster and stronger but appeared even more durable then before...
Sabe also took a direct hit to the chest with a grenade launcher he stated he had bn improved when he fought DP...
sabe also took titanium explosive tip rounds from maverick the wounds were small and maverick asked how he was able to stand with the titanium explosive rounds... Sabe once again stated he had bn improved.
then you have the time he was shot by Cyclops in the head with a compressed bullet sized blast.. sabe was not ko'ed nor did it penetrate his skull...
then there is the time he was hit with a machete the blade barely made it the surface of his skull b4 it was stopped by his dense bone skull....
added everything we know about sabe's mutant added muscle mass his dense bones which we know is denser then his Keratin claws... and you have a pretty durable superhuman who also has superior Healing factor above Logan and from time to time depending what we believe in the inconsistency of his disappeared adamatium skeleton and you got a bad momma jamma
Originally posted by Sin I AMyou are just saying that b/c ms. marvel stated it and not some one else 😛
sounds like PIS to me...I dont know of the scan, what was her power level 50/60 ish?Oh and Caps aura is no worse than any mutie with claws and a hf,unless their evil because they get away with some outlandish shite...
besides he's American he should win by default