Originally posted by Insomniatric
I'm bored right now, so I'll come up with a new plan.1. I would carry a lot of gasoline, and a couple coolers full of frozen orange juice concentrate, because apparently if you mix equal parts of it you can make napalm. There are websites with recipes for explosives and poisonous gases you can make from household items. I'm pretty sure there's a video on YouTube on how to make a certain type of grenade from household items. If you're wondering, yes, this idea was inspired from Fight Club.
2. I would have a pickup truck (not sure what type of truck yet), with a minigun on the bed of it. I would have a Dillon M134D Gatling Gun. It would be mounted towards either the back or the middle. Mounted on the left side of the bed would be an M-240, and mounted on the right side would be an M-240. I'd like to see anybody **** with this truck.
I would have a couple people with me to either drive or operate the guns. More than likely I would operate the minigun, because I'm just badass like that. 😎
I was gonna add a trailer to the truck like I did before, but seeing as how there is a minigun mounted on the back and it would be facing the trailer, I couldn't.
3. I would have a lot of bottles of alcohol with me, as well as lighters/matches and rags. I could make Molotov Cocktails with this stuff. This could probably come in handy. I would also have 3-4 flamethrowers and a couple fire extinguishers.
4. Some of the things on the other list I made apply to this one too, like the protective gear, exercises, nutrition plan, the grenades and flash bangs, night vision goggles, the 3 minute power nap program "Pizzazz", etc applies to me and the people in my group for this list. My group still has a bunch of Kel-Tec PMR-30's (best handgun to use to kill zombies IMO)
Another thing that still applies to this list is the [b]Barrett M107 .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle.
That thing would take ANY zombie's head off instantly. There have been reports of it cutting men in half from over 1400 meters away. Watch this video.
YouTube videoDefinitely Anti-Zombie Warfare. It's extremely powerful but was created to have a very low recoil.
The bullets for this gun are freakin huge btw.
I'm tired, that's all I got for now. Good Night. [/B]
Other things I'd bring:
1.
Tac-15 Crossbow
-Mounts into the base of an AR-15 Rifle
-Max output is 412 fps drawn from 160 lbs of kinetic energy
-Probably the most powerful and accurate crossbows on the market. It's so powerful that they have specially designed arrows to withstand it's power.
2. Machetes, hatchets, hunting knives, pocket knives, aluminum baseball bats, etc.
Maybe a chainsaw.
3. Dragon Skin Body Armor
YouTube video
This armor's strong enough to withstand being shot by an AK-47, and it can also evenly distribute the force of the impact so that it causes no damage. I'd like to see a zombie get through this. Me and everybody in my group would wear one.
4. AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun
-Fires 300 RPM
-No Recoil
-Would instantly take any zombie's head off
5. Corner Shot
-Shoots around corners
Alternative plan:
I'd infect myself with that stuff from Prototype and get all the powers of Alex Mercer and just whoop all the zombie's asses.
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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The best zombie killing weapon, period:And oh my, she has a SHOTGUN!!!!!!!!! Weeeeeeeheeheeheehee!!!!!!!
IMO the best weapon is probably the AA-12.
It's a fully automatic shotgun that fires 300 rpm. It also has no recoil.
It's like it was made for killing zombies! 😱
Originally posted by InsomniatricAutomatic gunfire= Shit aim. No thanks.
IMO the best weapon is probably the AA-12.It's a fully automatic shotgun that fires 300 rpm. It also has no recoil.
It's like it was made for killing zombies! 😱
Originally posted by Insomniatric
If you're firing a shotgun, you don't need to aim it very precisely, seeing as how you'll be in very close range. It also has no recoil, which means that you can stay aimed at one thing while you're shooting it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Defender weighs 6.5 pounds. Take away a pound when removing the stock, that's 5.5 pounds. Add on 1/4 pound (guesstimate) when adding the pistol grip, that's 5.75 pounds.8 rounds of 12 gauge double ought weighs around 1 ounce. 1 ounce=0.062499 pounds. 8 times 0.062499=.5 pounds.
5.75 pounds + .5 pounds= 6.25 pounds. This is the weight of a fully loaded Model 1300 Defender. Where are you getting 7.1 pounds?
Wrong. It weighs 6.5 lbs with the pistol grip. I already linked you to the gun store that showed that. It weighs 7.1lbs, loaded. (add one more shell for a "one in the chamber" setup.)
This also does not include the "weightyness" of the shells in tube. (it makes it heavier towards the end when fully loaded (center of balance...throws your aim off as you unload the gun.)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And if you choose a lighter grain bullet, you are losing stopping power. Earlier you said you preferred stopping power, now you're going with penetration. Interesting.
You obviously assume "inertia = stopping power" when that isn't the case, at all. It is simply nulling your target as quickly as possible. The stopping power of a nuke is greater than that of a gun, of course. The stopping power of an assault rifle with a 50 round (high velocity rounds) magazine (fully automatic) has more stopping power than an 8 round shotgun. Why? Because you can null more targets, faster.
More targes + plus faster time = more stopping power because guess what "stopped"...more targets.
Stopping power automatically (no pun intended) implies a unit measure of time. Here's why:
"Stopping" is what would be called a present participle. Add power to the end of it and it becomes a participial phrase.
Stopping something requires time. In order to stop something instantaneously, you would have to have an infinite amount of time because the negative acceleration force would have to be infinite in value in order to create an instant stop.
On top of that, power is the rate at which work is performed. Very fitting for a measure of guns in both physics and the common interpretation of that.
So, both of those words imply "time" as part of the definition of what "stopping power" means. Based on that, it would obviously be how many targets you can null in a given period of time, not your warped interpretation of how much destruction one round does to a meatbag.
In other words, you did not know what stopping power was, but now you do.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Anyway, the Model 1300 weighs 6.25 pounds fully loaded. The Glock 18 (trusting your math on this one) weighs 4.98 pounds fully loaded with the lulz 200 round drum. You're splitting hairs over 1.26 pounds..
The model 1300 for 8 rounds weighs 6.5lbs with pistol grip.
Proved it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're forgetting that the shotgun has a sling and that I'll likely have it slung on one shoulder while carrying it around or shooting it. That cuts down on the weight you have to carry with your arms, it distributes the weight evenly over your entire body. ..
Yeah, cause it looks cool to sling your shotgun around after kiling zombies: can't forget how important that is to praticality. dur
And, no it does not evenly distribute the weight across your body. The only way to distribute the weight evenly across your body is: one gun strapped in the front of your body, perfectly centered while facing up or down or left to right...and one gun in the back in the same exact setup.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I chose the 50 rounder because it looks cooler ✅
Yeah, cause looking cool is the first priority, which pretty much sums up your approach.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You do now that if you are firing away full auto with a Glock 18, at least 1/2 your shots are either going to: Be off mark, or miss entirely, yes? You're not Bob Lee Swagger, dude. The constant recoil will throw off your aim.
GFTO with your lame lies:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Since I'm not an idiot, very rarely would I be firing in more than 3-4 shot spurts...like any moron that knows how to fire an automatic would do.
Thank you kindly and try not to lie about things you know I wouldn't do.
On top of that, I know for a fact that what you say will happen, won't happen:
Behold, a gun expert firing the full auto Glock 18C:
Of course, with one pull of the trigger for each target, four rounds found their mark each time. Next, I engaged one target from 5, 10, 12 and 15 yards with a two-handed combat grip and also with both strong- and weak-hand-only. I again found, as I had previously on the DEA range, that four rounds would score with one trigger pull. The G18C certainly is an interesting firearm!The G18C definitely has advantages over the long guns, such as the H&K MP5 and the M16 variants, for the G18C is a very low-profile automatic weapon.
The G18 is controllable and will not spray bullets indiscriminately all over the area, despite the 50 to 70 years of bad press that has accrued to the concept of shooting a hand-held machine pistol. Common wisdom is that you can not hit anything with the gun without a shoulder stock, and even with the stock it is still an iffy proposition. Common wisdom has not shot a Glock 18!
my observations are that the G18 can be easily controlled with one- or two-handed firing without a great deal of live-fire training
How does this translate into real- world use? In close-quarters engagements, in a building or residence, for instance, 10 yards is not an unreasonable maximum distance to shoot at a threat. The G18 is certainly much handier than maneuvering a long arm through confined quarters...
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/18/
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The bandoleer weighs maybe 1/2 pound. 50 12 gauge shells weighs 3.12 pounds. (1 ounce each, 1 ounce=0.062499pounds, 50 x 0.062499= 3.12 pounds.Sum total, roughly 3.5 pounds.
Ugh.
What do you think I was saying weighed 5.97lbs?
I'll give you a hint: I've only stated that one item, in our entire conversation, weighed 5.97 lbs. Guess which one.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You do know what a shotgun choke is, yes? Look it up.
It's far more likely that you do not know how to calculate your choke than me not knowing what a shotgun choke is. On top of that, you point is an entire strawman because I used a "magic" distance of 100 yeards.
What do you think your pattern is going to look like at 100 yards with a full choke? (Hint, I've already told you.)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're splitting hairs over a pound.
Cause at less than 8 lbs, one pound does not make a difference, right? (That's rhetorical. The answer is "wrong." There's a world of difference between 8 lbs and 7 lbs...and 7lbs to 6 lbs. At these small weights, it can be the difference between control and no control, fatigue and no fatigue. Of course, you'd know how important weapon weight is because you've trekked while carrying them, so why would you pretend that it is not a big deal?)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Forgetting that I'll have the 100 round Mini 14, which is my primary weapon? And at least 2 Beretta 92F's? .
Strawman.
We were speaking about a "10-yard" scenario because you wanted to try and justifying your flawed definition of "stopping power" from the shotgun because you know at more pratical distances, the shotgun should be the last choice.
And, by this post of yours, you've already admitted that your shotgun is your worst choice, despite you talking it up for pages.
Link to a feasible ammo pouch/utility vest that houses 200 round Glock mags?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm It's common sense, dude. Remember I told you that time I was deer hunting and had to hike/jog 3 miles back to camp? I was carrying a full loaded Remington, slung on my back. I barely noticed it.
1. "I barely noticed it." <--- I think that's complete bullsh*t
2. You honestly think you can fool myself and others into thinking that they would not notice an 8 pound gun, slung off-centered, while they jogged three miles through the WOODS? I mean, really, who is supposed to believe that sh*t?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You asked me about Milla using shotguns, I showed you that she did. What trap? You asked a question and I gave an answer.
I just TOLD you what trap. WTF? 😬
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whoa. K.You think you're gonna be accurate with a full auto Glock 18? You're dreaming, babe.
This all comes down to personal preference, dude. I know how good I am with a given weapon, which is why I chose the ones I did. The weapons I chose + my given skill with said weapons= Maximum efficiency.
Yeah, I'll be accurate with a full-auto Glock 18C, just the same as you would. 😐
I agree on that last part, though. That's good reasoning.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Read what I said.
No u. 😬
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And carrying a coupla spare 200 round mags, where you gonna store your spare rifle mags?
Same place you're storing your much larger and heavier 12-guage rounds and rifle rounds: in my hiking backpack...like I've already stated.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
First you ramble about stopping power, now you're going on about penetration. Choose one.
This incorrectly assumes that those two are mutually exclusive when they definitely are not. Read my above post about what stopping power means. 😐
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Are you stoned? There's no pistol, not a one, that has the damage factor a 12 gauge has. Ask an ER doctor to tell you stories about handgun wounds they've treated and they'll go on for hours. As them about shotgun wounds and they'll fall silent. Handgun wounds go to the ER. Shotgun wounds go to the morgue..
Are you stoned? Didn't I just say that it is not a shot for shot comparison as that's not a pratical?
Ask any ER doctor: he or she gets far more pistol gun shot wounded than shotgun wounded and many many many many more people die from pistols than they do shotguns. I know some people that have had hunting mishaps where they got some buckshot in their leg or back and, guess what, they survived just fine. Got the pellets removed at the ER and everything was fine after it healed. Had a high velocity round hit the fellas in the back? They'd be dead. 😐
And, yeah, let's see how far the Columbine boys would get with a shotgun. They quickly switched to their "weak" pistols after hitting their first two victims (killing one and hitting the other 8 times, but not killing him) at close range. Pretty lame for all of this supposed destruction that you rage about, eh? (Well, really...that's a bad example as they used both pistols and shotguns innefectively. Many more students survived that did not die initially from shotgun wounds than those that did not die initially from hand gun wounds...due to the nature of how shotguns work...you know...lower velocity, small rounds...they don't get as much penetration into the flesh so even with more pellets hitting their target, they don't go deep enough to fatally wound. This should have been obvious to you and what we are really arguing about. The shotgun is the worst "big" weapon to bring to the ZA.) If I had my choice of getting shot by a shotgun (birdshot) at 30 yards or a hand gun, I'd go with the shotgun as I'd be more likely to survive.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nothing about weight in your link.Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_1200#Variants
6.5 pounds, 5.5 without the stock...
Okay, okay...I'll help you out, then.
*Disregards the lame Wiki link.*
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It weighs 6.5 pounds with the stock, dude. 5.5ish without it.
Wrong.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Defender weighs 6.5 pounds. Take away a pound when removing the stock, that's 5.5 pounds. Add on 1/4 pound (guesstimate) when adding the pistol grip, that's 5.75 pounds.
Wrong.
7.1lbs, loaded.
End of story.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
8 rounds of 12 gauge double ought weighs around 1 ounce. 1 ounce=0.062499 pounds. 8 times 0.062499=.5 pounds.5.75 pounds + .5 pounds= 6.25 pounds. This is the weight of a fully loaded Model 1300 Defender. Where are you getting 7.1 pounds?.
Also, the weight is 1.125 ounces, NOT just one ounce, Mr. Gimps.
12 pellet cartridge weighs 1.5 oz and the 9 pellet cartridge weighs 1.125 ounces: both types are the 00 buckshot cartridges.
http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/smooth-bore-cartridges-e.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/12.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/12gauge.htm
And your math is wrong.
6.5lbs + (1.125 ounces*8 rounds) = 7.0625 ~ 7.1lbs
6.5lbs is the ACTUAL weight of the gun with synthetic materials (light weight).
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The bandoleer weighs maybe 1/2 pound. 50 12 gauge shells weighs 3.12 pounds. (1 ounce each, 1 ounce=0.062499pounds, 50 x 0.062499= 3.12 pounds.Sum total, roughly 3.5 pounds.
Wrong.
50 12 gauge shells (00 buck) weigh: 1.125 * 50 +.5lbs for the bando = 4.0156 lbs ~ 4 lbs.
And, again, you are deliberately rounding in your favor (like always. This is how you are supposed to round > or = .05 rounds to .1. < .05 rounds to .0. Capisce? Apply that at any decimal place. For instance, > or = .5 rounds to 1. < .5 rounds to .0.) Your math does not come to 3.5 lbs, it comes to 3.6 lbs.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It improves the weapon by making it lighter and easier to handle 🙄.
This is what you should have posted:
"It improves the weapon by making it lighter but harder to handle."
Now, if you want to make an argument that by "handle" you mean move it about, that's fine. But firing it...which is what the gun is intended to do, it does not improve it.
But, you already knew that, which kind of pisses me off that you are wasting our time with your bullsh*t replies that don't actually address the points.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A person who is a good shot with a gauge (RJ), can shoot close to as accurately with a pistol grip. I've done it.
So, by your own admission, you've lost accuracy.
So why are you wasting my time with that stupid line of reasoning?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
To a noob, yes. I told you many times, my Uncle was a seasoned hunter and an accomplished marksman, and he taught me how to shoot. I'm pretty dedgum efficient with a shotgun.
I believe you. You are probably better than most with a 12-gauge.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Aain, I'm not a noob. The things you are implying are for noobs.
After 50 rounds, let me know which gun leaves you with "a bruised hand, loss of accuracy, and less control" and which one doesn't.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But first you gotta eject the big ass drum mag, stow it, then holster the Glock. Too much time. Not to mention you gotta load it back up when you wanna use it again..
Yeah, loading the drum mag was very fast. Ejecting it is even faster. But, good job at trying to invent a potential problem. At least the problems I've pointed out are real: I do not need to make things up.
So, tell me, which would take longer, ejecting the 200 round drum, reaching into my bag, grabbing the replacement mag, and loading it into my gun, or loading 8 rounds in a shotgun?
Even better: how many kills you gonna get with 2 reloads? How many kills would I get with two relaods?
Let's recap:
Much faster reloading time.
Many more rounds.
Way more kills.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hm....A gun that you have to unload then reload every damn time you holster/draw it.Reeks of inefficiency.
Pay attention:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Why would you holster the gun without putting a real clip on it, first, and setting the safety? The magazine could easily fit somewhere else, as could the standard 17 round magazine or the usual (for the auto-glock 18c) 33-round magazine. I would keep the 4 spare 200 round magazines somewhere else or even on my person. I would probably store all four in my hiking backpack. I would carry one 33 round magazine in the gun and one on my hip.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, that means they got themselves into a situation that was unwinnable from the start.
They should have chosen better guns, eh? awesome
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lying? haermm How? Your figures in the Model 1300 are off, as they are on the ammo.
My original figures were not off because they weren't from the 1300. dur
Then, on top of that, I showed you the weight and you still pull this 5.5 lbs crap. On top of that, you will not find a production, straight 1 ounce, 9 pellet, 12 gauge catridge. It does not exist.
So what was REALLY off?
You. 😐
I did find that there were 12 pellet 00 buck 1.5 ounce rounds, as well. If you are going to try and pull off the 1 ounce 00 buck catridge, please prove it. I have already proven that you:
1. Are lying.
2. Don't know what you're talking about.
Take your pick.
But, hey, I'm off on the ammo, right? 😆
(Like I said prior, I KNOW you know what you're talking about, which is why it's definitely lying. I don't understand why you thought you could try and pull so many "fast ones" on me. I mean, it's ME... "Mr. Overly-Detailed."😉
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I chose the Defender because I am familiar with it. I chose the Mini 14 because I used to have one and am familiar with it. I chose the Beretta 92F because I am familiar with it. I chose my weaponry because I am familiar with them all. You? You chose a weapon you wouldn't even know how to load, how to reload, with no idea how innacurate automatic fire is..
Fail arguments on your part:
"You chose a weapon you wouldn't even know how to load, how to reload,..."
Fail. Very stupid argument. A small child could do it. Stop pretending this is like rocket science. There is no "secret gun knowledge" out there that only a very small handful of people know.
"with no idea how innacurate automatic fire is."
I beat that piece of sh*t argument in the ground. 🙂 Even before this current "post", I beat that argument into the ground. It's the lamest argument you have, actually, as nothing could be further from the truth: a Glock 18c, full auto, is shockingly accurate, even to gun experts. haermm
PWNED!
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hell, the conversation we had the other night, you didn't even know what I meant when I said "You know when you empty a mag from a pistol and the slide locks back?" I had to SHOW you with a youtube vid. And then, you didn't even know how to get the slide to slide forward again, chambering another round.
crylaugh crylaugh crylaugh
That's probably the lamest (stupidest) thing you've said this entire conversation.
Yeah, I remember the conversation from the other night when you kept asking me how you release the slide. You asked me almost a dozen times like a kid with severe autism and I repeatedly told you the same damn things:
"Press the release button."
"Press the slide release."
"It's a button...very simple."
"Presse the release."
"A child could figure it out, John, this is not rocket science."
And so forth.
The whole time, these words did not seem to even phase you because you wanted to make a point and no matter what I said, you were going to continue on with the story like an old man that tells the same story, over and over. You then wasted your time finding a youtube video to show me something I did not even view. Then you had the meretricious gumption to pretend that I did not sit there and tell you over a dozen times how to release the slide (I mean, dude, how hard is it to release the slide? Press the button. Any child would know that or figure it out in 2 seconds.) and you proceeded to "educate" me by telling me to press the slide release. You had to shut me up, of course, because I wasn't listening to your absurdly lame point...but, being your pal, I shutup and said, "Okay, John, enlighten me on this secret knowledge that you wish to impart on my ignorant mind."
After you told me the same damn thing I had just gotten done telling you over a dozen times, I laughed for quite a while in your "face" and asked you if you were joking. "Fer real? I mean, really? You serious? You're trying to pass off what I just told you as new information? You copied me."
You then tried to say that I did not say the same thing...which was absurd. It's like farting on someone's face while they watched you do it and then trying to convince them that you didn't do it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But hey, good luck with the 200 round Glock.
Nah. 200 round mags are very very hard to come by.
I'll go with the 100 round mag as it's more common.
So, I concede that there won't be a 200 round mag.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You'll be zombie fodder before you get a round chambered.See, problem is, you think you're John Preston or some shit. You aint. You're just a regular guy with little if any training on automatic weaponry.
Now how is this supposed to happen when I can fire my gun, full auto, before you get another round off? Oh, that's right, you choose to ignore things I've told you because it doesn't suit your warped perspective of you getting your *ss handed to you.
My gun would be holstered with a 17 round clip...maybe even 33 if I can get a holster that has an "open-rear" form-factor.
But, go ahead pretending that a 3 and a half foot shotgun weighing over 7lbs is a great weapon to bring to the ZA.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, watch this:Yeah......
lol
You just tried to use shooting a pumpkin as a counter.
hahahahahahahaha.
lame.
So, a pumpkin, which you can easily punch your fist through, is some how a strong measure of what would happen to a head/flesh?
Awesome! Good job. WEEEEEE!
Let me know when you have a proper reply instead of this joke of a counter, k?
Yeah.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Slugs maximum effective range, roughly 100 yards, maybe 150. If you have a rifled barrel and are using a sabot, that effective range is increased by about 25-50 yards.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
The catalog energy figures for the common high-brass ("maximum"😉 12 gauge slug load are an impressive 2361 ft. lbs. at the muzzle, but only 926 ft. lbs. at 100 yards. This is due to the very poor BC of the slug. Sighted to hit dead on at 50 yards, that slug is 4.8" low at 100 yards. The more powerful 12 gauge slugs are only marginally better, and kick noticeably harder. No matter what, rifled slugs remain a short range proposition.Stick with 12 gauge Foster type slugs for deer hunting as the smaller gauges pack much less punch. The 20 gauge slug develops only 648 ft. lbs. of energy at 100 yards, which given its low SD is not encouraging. I have done some testing with .410 rifled slugs and they are definitely not adequate deer loads. The less said about these small bore rifled slugs the better.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm
But, hey, if you want to pretend that a slug is an option for accurate shots, go ahead.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
00 and 0 buckshot is pretty much going to perform the same. It will give you good results out to about 50 yards especially if combined with a modified choke to keep the pattern tight, beyond that, the pellets will spread out too much and less than half will hit your target.
This I agree with. Except, some patterns have you losing over half your pellets at even 40 yards. With more choke, (try, full choke), yeah, you can get a much tighter pattern at 50 yards and then it drops off, significantly as the pellets slow down, very quickly...then they start doing all sorts of "fancy" things.
You'd be much better off sticking with the Mini 14 the whole time and just save your pack weight for things like a multi-tool and more ammo for your other guns.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I know, you'd choose something that you haven't a clue how to operate.
I know, right? Cause like...it is sooooooo hard to use a handgun.
Side note, I bet you that I've fired more varieties of .22 rifles, alone, than you've fired of all types of guns, period.
hehehehehehe
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wouldn't be a gamble, I know what I can do with a gauge. You? You're guessing what you can do.
I agree. Good point. No, seriously, I can only make educated guesses. I have to give props to my homey when it's deserved.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Take off the head of any living being, it dies. Common sense. Shotguns take heads clean off. They can, potentially, in the hands of a good shot, almost cut someone in half.
Shotguns take heads clean off? That's not what many failed suicide attempts show.
And to get a "clean off", you'd have to be at a range that you would not want to be: less than 10 yards.
Almost cut someone in half? WTF is this nonsense? Are you 7?
A gun that can ACTUALLY cut you in half RARELY is a .50 cal shot from a very powerful rifle: Barrett M107 😐
Edit - lol, today was the last day of the semeste so I actually had time to respond.
WEEEEEEEEEE!
All in all, I think I made 3 or 4 concessions, just like I promised. If your next reply contains 3 or 4 concessions, it will only take another 10 replies each before we've reached an agreement. lol!
Originally posted by mikeydude
Correction.
Shotguns dont have to be a close range. If loaded with Deer slugs, easy kills at 100-200yrds out.
Don't take everything RJ says as true. Maximum effective range is much closer to 50 yards. 100 yards, your slugs are much much slower. (Rifling just isn't "there" for the slug rounds. It's a very lame choice in a slug. Better go with something else that has better accuracy and is lighter.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't take everything RJ says as true. Maximum effective range is much closer to 50 yards. 100 yards, your slugs are much much slower. (Rifling just isn't "there" for the slug rounds. It's a very lame choice in a slug. Better go with something else that has better accuracy and is lighter.)
Originally posted by mikeydude
Lol.
Ive killed a deer, at 150yds away one clean shot with a shotgun slug.
Think what that would do to a decaying corpse.
K.
Likely, it was 50 yards and you thought it was 150 yards. Dead serious.
Also, if expert marksmen say 50 yards is about the best effective range, full choke, then a lucky shot at 150 yards is just that: lucky.
You don't want a gun that requires lucky shots. RJ's choice of a mini 14 with a scope is a much better choice for 150 yard shots.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Maximum effective range is much closer to 50 yards. 100 yards, your slugs are much much slower. (Rifling just isn't "there" for the slug r
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_slug
Slugs are often used by police equipped with riot shotguns. The slugs will provide accuracy sufficient for antipersonnel use out to ranges about 100 yards (91 m). This allows the officer the ability to use the shotgun as a reasonable substitute for a rifle at medium ranges.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_slugSlugs are often used by police equipped with riot shotguns. The slugs will provide accuracy sufficient for antipersonnel use out to ranges about 100 yards (91 m). This allows the officer the ability to use the shotgun as a reasonable substitute for a rifle at medium ranges.
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