Annhilators vs Morrison JLA

Started by MONSTAR29 pages

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, because a Gladiator with psychic dampeners didn't piss himself when Cassandra Nova faced him... Nor got tricked and staled by a phoenixless Rachel Summers.
MM cannot mindrape something he cannot see. Seems like reaching to claim MM would ignore every other fighter and go straight for gladiator when he knows nothing about any of them. There are 3 fighters on team 1 that can scan every member of team 2 and even gladiator has sensed a fusion in human torch before, but the other three do it all the time. Do you think that MM is not a target? You say that someone can help MM to stop him from being attacked, well, team one can do the same for gladiator, and quasar can easily shield him, or gladiator can drop into hyperspace. As team one scans the field and learn their weakness, Superman and MM would become instant targets for surfer, bill, ronan and quasar. While they try and shield MM, who will shield superman? Surfer can nearly clear the field by himself with one big blast, add in stormbreaker, quasars bands, ronans universal weapon blasting at the same time and its over. Far far too much power.

smh @ the last two pages...

Superman held back against Doomsday during DOS, and admitted as such on panel.

Superman is stronger than Wonder Woman. FACT. It's something even Wonder Woman writers have admitted (Gail Simone, and she got lynched for it).

Colossus' metal body, iirc, was what killed Proteus, not any strength amp.

Superman's dynamic strength goes far, far above any "rush of adrenaline", whether you want to claim it's him stopping holding back or that he gets stronger.

The results are the same regardless.

Originally posted by -Pr-
smh @ the last two pages...
What does smh stand for?

Originally posted by Bentley
Yep, J'onz would be instrumental in quickly dispatching Kallark.
This if they can take gladz out fast Jla win

Originally posted by MONSTAR
What does smh stand for?

shaking my head.

Originally posted by -Pr-
smh @ the last two pages...

Superman held back against Doomsday during DOS, and admitted as such on panel.

Superman is stronger than Wonder Woman. FACT. It's something even Wonder Woman writers have admitted (Gail Simone, and she got lynched for it).

Colossus' metal body, iirc, was what killed Proteus, not any strength amp.

Superman's dynamic strength goes far, far above any "rush of adrenaline", whether you want to claim it's him stopping holding back or that he gets stronger.

The results are the same regardless.

Holding back and then letting go does not increase his strength in any way. When he stops holding back, he just use his full strength which has a cap. He does not have a powerset like... Hulk.. the madder hulk gets, the stronger hulk gets... or.. gladiator.. the more confident gladiator is the stronger and more power he becomes... or goliath... The bigger goliath gets, the stronger goliath gets... Superman has to sundip, form a fusion with CM or some other outside help to get stronger. Supermans strength is set in stone. He cannot boost it without outside help.

Originally posted by MONSTAR
Holding back and then letting go does not increase his strength in any way. When he stops holding back, he just use his full strength which has a cap. He does not have a powerset like... Hulk.. the madder hulk gets, the stronger hulk gets... or.. gladiator.. the more confident gladiator is the stronger and more power he becomes... or goliath... The bigger goliath gets, the stronger goliath gets... Superman has to sundip, form a fusion with CM or some other outside help to get stronger.

except that it's contradicted by the comics. his strength is dependant to an extent on his mental state. that's backed up by comics. nobody said he was like hulk. dynamic strength is a part of his powerset.

and nobody said he didn't have a cap.

Originally posted by -Pr-
except that it's contradicted by the comics. his strength is dependant to an extent on his mental state. that's backed up by comics. nobody said he was like hulk. dynamic strength is a part of his powerset.

and nobody said he didn't have a cap.

Exactly 👆

yea supes has got years upon years of mental blocks to keep him from killing lex luthor 😛

Originally posted by -Pr-
except that it's contradicted by the comics. his strength is dependant to an extent on his mental state. that's backed up by comics. nobody said he was like hulk. dynamic strength is a part of his powerset.

and nobody said he didn't have a cap.

Its not contradicted by the comics. The comics will show him doing things as a hero. His job is to win in the end. Which do you believe. (A) Superman released his mental blocks, got a whole lot stronger and crushed darkseid.. Or. (B). Superman the hero has to win as written as a story? You are getting not holding back mixed up with dynamic strength which he does not have.

there's no doubt that SM holds back a great deal as do most heroes, but I don find it reasonable to assume his powers just rise to meet the occasion, whatever it is, and consider that a plausible tactic in the forums. pretty much the same could be said for wolverine for instance

SM and Gladiator have limited strengh, only the hulk has no cap to his strengh and they'd both beat him.

Surfer's also been shown to have "dynamic power", too, y'know. 😛 So has Batman, or Thor....!

I think every hero has.

Iceman, this is what you asked for. You asked for scans proving he has unlimited strength. Its impossible for me to prove unlimited strength by lifting feats but there is nothing out there unlimited... but what I can show you is statements of his strength.

REED files say that his strength is almost limitless.

http://img354.imageshack.us/i/glad2jf0.jpg/

Cannonball say that with Gladiator powers he could basically do anything he puts his mind to. Read this from xaviers files.

http://img68.imageshack.us/i/89154739hk4.jpg/

Nova who has met almost every being in the universe states that Gladiator is one of the strongest being IN THE UNIVERSE.

http://img123.imageshack.us/f/26488759kc5.jpg/

Cyclops mark him as the strongest being in the Galaxy.

http://img503.imageshack.us/f/82709674rp3.jpg/

After receiving the power of the Gladiator he was the most powerful being in the universe (dont believe this but this is in regards to his strength.

http://f.imagehost.org/view/0092/07

Lets not forget that Gladiator DNA made a Thanos Clone 4 times stronger than the original Thanos.

Thanks but hyperbole isnt proof nice try though 😐

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thanks but hyperbole isnt proof nice try though 😐

What other ways can I prove that he has unlimted strength (which I don't think he have but I also don't believe he has a cap on his strength).

What can he lift to prove that he doesn't have a cap on his strength?

Originally posted by carver9
What other ways can I prove that he has unlimted strength (which I don't think he have but I also don't believe he has a cap on his strength).

What can he lift to prove that he doesn't have a cap on his strength?

Do you not see the contradiction in your post?

Gladiator is an homage to PC Superboy, who didn't even have unlimited strength. Gladiator is a poor man's Superboy.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Gladiator is an homage to PC Superboy, who didn't even have unlimited strength. Gladiator is a poor man's Superboy.

I think everyone knows that he was originally created from pc superboy but I consider him to be a better character imo.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Do you not see the contradiction in your post?

I'm not contradicting anything. I never said he had unlimited strength and neither did those scans but it did state that he was close to it.

Originally posted by MONSTAR
Its not contradicted by the comics. The comics will show him doing things as a hero. His job is to win in the end. Which do you believe. (A) Superman released his mental blocks, got a whole lot stronger and crushed darkseid.. Or. (B). Superman the hero has to win as written as a story? You are getting not holding back mixed up with dynamic strength which he does not have.

i'm not mixing up anything. the comics have for years supported the idea of dynamic strength as being part of his powerset. Yelling PIS doesn't change that.

Originally posted by carver9
Iceman, this is what you asked for. You asked for scans proving he has unlimited strength. Its impossible for me to prove unlimited strength by lifting feats but there is nothing out there unlimited... but what I can show you is statements of his strength.

REED files say that his strength is almost limitless.

http://img354.imageshack.us/i/glad2jf0.jpg/

Cannonball say that with Gladiator powers he could basically do anything he puts his mind to. Read this from xaviers files.

http://img68.imageshack.us/i/89154739hk4.jpg/

Nova who has met almost every being in the universe states that Gladiator is one of the strongest being IN THE UNIVERSE.

http://img123.imageshack.us/f/26488759kc5.jpg/

Cyclops mark him as the strongest being in the Galaxy.

http://img503.imageshack.us/f/82709674rp3.jpg/

After receiving the power of the Gladiator he was the most powerful being in the universe (dont believe this but this is in regards to his strength.

http://f.imagehost.org/view/0092/07

Lets not forget that Gladiator DNA made a Thanos Clone 4 times stronger than the original Thanos.

none of that in any way proves the point you were trying to make.