Annhilators vs Morrison JLA

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thanks but hyperbole isnt proof nice try though 😐

Originally posted by MONSTAR
MM cannot mindrape something he cannot see. Seems like reaching to claim MM would ignore every other fighter and go straight for gladiator when he knows nothing about any of them. There are 3 fighters on team 1 that can scan every member of team 2 and even gladiator has sensed a fusion in human torch before, but the other three do it all the time. Do you think that MM is not a target? You say that someone can help MM to stop him from being attacked, well, team one can do the same for gladiator, and quasar can easily shield him, or gladiator can drop into hyperspace. As team one scans the field and learn their weakness, Superman and MM would become instant targets for surfer, bill, ronan and quasar. While they try and shield MM, who will shield superman? Surfer can nearly clear the field by himself with one big blast, add in stormbreaker, quasars bands, ronans universal weapon blasting at the same time and its over. Far far too much power.

You act as if those guys were actually more powerful than the League which is laughable. They don't need to protect J'onz more than a nanosecond in which he becomes intangible and mind-rapes the opposition, good luck for whoever is supposed to protect Gladiator. Match for match, hit by hit, JLA dominates.

Originally posted by Bentley
You act as if those guys were actually more powerful than the League which is laughable. They don't need to protect J'onz more than a nanosecond in which he becomes intangible and mind-rapes the opposition, good luck for whoever is supposed to protect Gladiator. Match for match, hit by hit, JLA dominates.

Going to hyperspace would be considered self-bfr depending on the arena. If five heralds in the JLA team doesn't seem enough to you, you're seriously lowballing the team. Diana could also one shot Gladiator because of his magic weakness.

Originally posted by Bentley
Going to hyperspace would be considered self-bfr depending on the arena. If five heralds in the JLA team doesn't seem enough to you, you're seriously lowballing the team. Diana could also one shot Gladiator because of his magic weakness.

Originally posted by MONSTAR
BRB is loaded with magical attacks. But you also leave that out huh. What if he one shots superman?

So you're not lowballing? 😉

Diana picks her tiara and chops Gladiator's weak-against-magic neck. Or MM mindrapes. It's cool how everyone talks about weaknesses but doesn't realize the Annihilators themselves aren't invincible and the JLA has not only more members but members that are just as powerful.

Marvel biasedness is funny.

Originally posted by Bentley
So you're not lowballing? 😉

Diana picks her tiara and chops Gladiator's weak-against-magic neck. Or MM mindrapes. It's cool how everyone talks about weaknesses but doesn't realize the Annihilators themselves aren't invincible and the JLA has not only more members but members that are just as powerful.

Marvel biasedness is funny.

Originally posted by MONSTAR
Who on the JLA is as powerful as surfer or Bill??? For your info, i hate that my girl Wonder Woman has to suffer on team 2, but i am not fan enough to think she could beat gladiator. But i know team one would destroy this JLA, so i bite the bullet and accept it even if my girl goes down with them. Or did you not see where i defended her by saying that she and flash are the most dangerous??

Ok, I'll try to put this in terms of the simplest maths. The Annihilators have:

BRB
Quasar
Surfer
Gladiator

while the JLA have:

Superman
Kyle
Martian Manhunter
Flash
Diana

Zauriel, Aquaman and Plasticman are more than enough to deal with Ronan if it ever comes to that.

The characters whose weaknesses can be exploited are:

Gladiator
Superman
Martian Manhunter

Even if we assume each team can take these fighters very fast using weakness exploitation the odds would still be equal in the number of heralds competing. It's obviously harder to aim at two herald level enemies and exploit their weaknesses than to aim at a single one -we can then start argue which characters can atatck the weaknesses of the others, but the amount of attackers and targets are among the same-.

The amount of real fast attackers is as follows:

Superman
Wonder Woman
Flash

Silver Surfer
Gladiator
Quasar (?)

As you see, once again the league not only holds its own but has the fastest character around.

You can argue that Surfer is the strongest herald in both teams, but even there, he's not taking down two heralds at once. He would be hard pressed even just against MM and Kal with weakness exploitation.

Bottomline, the JLA has every advantage here. People who want the Annihilators winning may as well say "Surfer solos" because he's the only factor in the Marvel team's favor.

Originally posted by Bentley
Ok, I'll try to put this in terms of the simplest maths. The Annihilators have:

BRB
Quasar
Surfer
Gladiator

while the JLA have:

Superman
Kyle
Martian Manhunter
Flash
Diana

Zauriel, Aquaman and Plasticman are more than enough to deal with Ronan if it ever comes to that.

The characters whose weaknesses can be exploited are:

Gladiator
Superman
Martian Manhunter

Even if we assume each team can take these fighters very fast using weakness exploitation the odds would still be equal in the number of heralds competing. It's obviously harder to aim at two herald level enemies and exploit their weaknesses than to aim at a single one -we can then start argue which characters can atatck the weaknesses of the others, but the amount of attackers and targets are among the same-.

The amount of real fast attackers is as follows:

Superman
Wonder Woman
Flash

Silver Surfer
Gladiator
Quasar (?)

As you see, once again the league not only holds its own but has the fastest character around.

You can argue that Surfer is the strongest herald in both teams, but even there, he's not taking down two heralds at once. He would be hard pressed even just against MM and Kal with weakness exploitation.

Bottomline, the JLA has every advantage here. People who want the Annihilators winning may as well say "Surfer solos" because he's the only factor in the Marvel team's favor.

Magic isn't an auto win against gladiator. It rarely if ever works. He is weak to it but he isn't weak to the sense of Superman being weak to it.

http://f.imagehost.org/view/0686/06_5

His confidence allows him to walk through magical attacks. The gladiator enhancment even furthered this amp. He is weak to magic but it isn't an all out one shot weapon. Especially since the guy has been stabbed in the stomach by a magical blade and healed almost instantly.

No one on the opposing team is defeating him.

Superman isn't weak against magic.

Originally posted by carver9
Magic isn't an auto win against gladiator. It rarely if ever works. He is weak to it but he isn't weak to the sense of Superman being weak to it.

http://f.imagehost.org/view/0686/06_5

His confidence allows him to walk through magical attacks. The gladiator enhancment even furthered this amp. He is weak to magic but it isn't an all out one shot weapon. Especially since the guy has been stabbed in the stomach by a magical blade and healed almost instantly.

No one on the opposing team is defeating him.

You're acting as if Superman's powers didn't allow him to walk through magical attacks...

Both Diana's lasso and J'onz tp are weapons good enough to hit him hard enough for it to matter, heck, even Aquaman (magical tp) can deal some damage there.

And keep in mind, it's not necessary to beat the strongest Annihilators one-on-one; What starts as a tough fight becomes significantly less so with Zauriel's sword in their back.

Originally posted by Bentley
You're acting as if Superman's powers didn't allow him to walk through magical attacks...

Both Diana's lasso and J'onz tp are weapons good enough to hit him hard enough for it to matter, heck, even Aquaman (magical tp) can deal some damage there.

Ok, if diana tries to fight gladiator she is getting STOMPED... Aquaman isn't nothing helpful against glads... right from the beginning he get a dose of heat vision to the head from glads or get taken out by someone else.

Let's also not forget that Gladiator have other powerful teamates on the battlefield... I like how you got the entire jla going after just glads.

Jonz tp isn't stopping him and if wondy even thinks about going h2h with him she is getting her sh** pushed in. He could easily breath freeze her (which he has done to thor girl and wonderman trapping them in their place) or simply cosmic blast her to death or use his superior stats.

Originally posted by MONSTAR
You consider files from the FF on gladiator to be hyperbole? It has been stated from cannonball to the watcher about gladiators strength. Its backed up by his powerset, his bios, narrators, and on panel feats of strength. Out of the entire marvel and DC universes, name characters hero or villains that can claim that they have destroyed a planet on strength alone and have done it on panel. Hyperbole is when a character claims to be able to do something but the reader knows that they cannot or that the character has never displayed the ability to do it. Gladiator has proved himself time and time again, but hes not a hero like thor, captain america etc.. Hes not going to save earth, he dont even like earthlings. Make him champion of earth or place him in the JLA in supermans place, he would wreck people just like thor or superman does as a hero. But like all extra strong guys, hes given weaknesses to keep him in check.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, if diana tries to fight gladiator she is getting STOMPED... Aquaman isn't nothing helpful against glads... right from the beginning he get a dose of heat vision to the head from glads or get taken out by someone else.

Let's also not forget that Gladiator have other powerful teamates on the battlefield... I like how you got the entire jla going after just glads.

Jonz tp isn't stopping him and if wondy even thinks about going h2h with him she is getting her sh** pushed in. He could easily breath freeze her (which he has done to thor girl and wonderman trapping them in their place) or simply cosmic blast her to death or use his superior stats.

why is gladiator fighting the way you want him to?

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, if diana tries to fight gladiator she is getting STOMPED... Aquaman isn't nothing helpful against glads... right from the beginning he get a dose of heat vision to the head from glads or get taken out by someone else.

Let's also not forget that Gladiator have other powerful teamates on the battlefield... I like how you got the entire jla going after just glads.

Jonz tp isn't stopping him and if wondy even thinks about going h2h with him she is getting her sh** pushed in. He could easily breath freeze her (which he has done to thor girl and wonderman trapping them in their place) or simply cosmic blast her to death or use his superior stats.

Your arguments only work if JLA's superior numbers, faster mobility and experience as a team is completely ignored. You're dismissing the most important thing about a team batte...

Originally posted by carver9

Jonz tp isn't stopping him and if wondy even thinks about going h2h with him she is getting her sh** pushed in. He could easily breath freeze her (which he has done to thor girl and wonderman trapping them in their place) or simply cosmic blast her to death or use his superior stats.

Superman's freeze breath doesn't stop Diana, and she has her bracers to deflect ranged attacks. In melee, pretty much no herald-level has a particular advantage against her overall. Between high skill, reflexes, and weapons, that's her specialty.

Let's also not forget that Gladiator have other powerful teamates on the battlefield... I like how you got the entire jla going after just glads.

Presumably they're only coming in to help after other Annihilators have fallen to being outnumbered in a fight, or if the less powerful JLAers are used to tie up Ronan, then there's a JLA herald level without a partner from the start, which can potentially make for some quick victories.

It's the advantage of numbers.

Originally posted by -Pr-
why is gladiator fighting the way you want him to?

He isn't fighting the way I want him to, he is basically on the defense due to bently saying that everyone will be attacking him. If aquaman is attacking him, I simply stated that a dose of heat vision would take him out of the fight. Then he brought up wondy, mm, and the list goes on.

What do I suppose to say? Bently is just throwing out stuff. You have 4 other people on the team that is just as powerful and just as deadly as gladiator but everyone is attacking glads.

Doesn't make sense to me and bently tactics would fail.

Originally posted by carver9
He isn't fighting the way I want him to, he is basically on the defense due to bently saying that everyone will be attacking him. If aquaman is attacking him, I simply stated that a dose of heat vision would take him out of the fight. Then he brought up wondy, mm, and the list goes on.

What do I suppose to say? Bently is just throwing out stuff. You have 4 other people on the team that is just as powerful and just as deadly as gladiator but everyone is attacking glads.

Doesn't make sense to me and bently tactics would fail.

he didn't say that, though.

Originally posted by carver9
He isn't fighting the way I want him to, he is basically on the defense due to bently saying that everyone will be attacking him. If aquaman is attacking him, I simply stated that a dose of heat vision would take him out of the fight. Then he brought up wondy, mm, and the list goes on.

What if it's just Aquaman and Diana, and when he heat-visions, Diana blocks? Then she proceeds to attack, while Aquaman continues to try telepathy to reduce his effectiveness? Or what if, while he's heat-visioning, she takes advantage of his distraction to cut his biceps with her tiara and leaving him fighting with one arm?

It's a team, they aren't just two discrete units he can deal with separately, they support each other.