Vader had much more screen time than Maul hence more feats.
Anakin is better, even accounting for screentime.
Originally posted by KaibsI already have. Maul was greater than two jedi at once a master and his apprentice. Vader was less than Obi just one master. Maul was never beaten in direct combat whereas Vader was beaten all the time and then saved.
*facepalm* going by screen feats alone Vader wins. ANd the fact that you aren't even admitting that is sad. Vader not only has shown better lightsaber skills than Maul he's also done more with the lightsaber than maul. Even in the EU. So how's that for logic? I can see you come from the comic vs forum, but I'm sure they tell you to back your shit up with facts and feats. So do it. Please.
Maul's double edged saber would be the end of vader. here vader doesn't get to be saved and come back like in the movies.
^... no.
First of all Qui Gon wasn't the greatest lightsaber user. Period. Obi Wan was still an apprentice which also means he didn't even master his skills yet. Therefore your point is void. Not to mention you're acting like Maul could defeat Vader while he's not only using his lightsaber but the force as well. Which is also an undoubtedly no.
I think that you are drastically underestimating the difference in ability between the two characters' opponents.
Qui-Gon was an old man. During the first fight with Maul he is winded after only a few blows. Kenobi in TPM was still only a padawan, if an advanced one. The two used a method of fighting poorly suited to their environment, and were fighting the first known Sith in millenia. There was not much call for practice against other lightsaber wielding foes.
Anakin and RotS Kenobi, however, were both in their prime. They both had a lot of practice against other Force users, such as Dooku or (in The Clone Wars, Ventress) as well as melee combatants like Grievous and his Magnaguards. In addition, the two were intensely familiar with each others' styles. They were both powerful enough to be on the Council, Kenobi legitimately and Anakin was at least plausible as a Master.
Kenobi's oldest incarnation was significantly more powerful and experienced than his younger self, but still stood no chance against Vader. (The environment was the deciding factor there, not skill.)
This really isn't even a contest.
Originally posted by KaibsI am afraid you're wrong. Qui Gon and Obi failed meaning a master and an apprentice couldn't tag team this guy into defeat.
^... no.First of all Qui Gon wasn't the greatest lightsaber user. Period. Obi Wan was still an apprentice which also means he didn't even master his skills yet. Therefore your point is void. Not to mention you're acting like Maul could defeat Vader while he's not only using his lightsaber but the force as well. Which is also an undoubtedly no.
Maul controlled his emotions and beat Obi due to him being emotional which is exactly what Vader is.
Originally posted by ZampanóIt's funny how in one instance you say Qui Gon was an old man and then act like Obi Wan was in his prime when vader eventually beat him. Obi was older and stood there as vader bested him not even fighting back. That's laughable that vader could only best him when aged and not fighting back.
I think that you are drastically underestimating the difference in ability between the two characters' opponents.Qui-Gon was an old man. During the first fight with Maul he is winded after only a few blows. Kenobi in TPM was still only a padawan, if an advanced one. The two used a method of fighting poorly suited to their environment, and were fighting the first known Sith in millenia. There was not much call for practice against other lightsaber wielding foes.
Anakin and RotS Kenobi, however, were both in their prime. They both had a lot of practice against other Force users, such as Dooku or (in The Clone Wars, Ventress) as well as melee combatants like Grievous and his Magnaguards. In addition, the two were intensely familiar with each others' styles. They were both powerful enough to be on the Council, Kenobi legitimately and Anakin was at least plausible as a Master.
Kenobi's oldest incarnation was significantly more powerful and experienced than his younger self, but still stood no chance against Vader. (The environment was the deciding factor there, not skill.)
This really isn't even a contest.
Vader has done nothing to suggest to me him beating Maul at all. His emotional outbursts play right into Maul's hands.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanI've backed up my case within the movies. You're still mad at me because of my video game superior debating it seems. You will get over it eventually. I hope.
That's because you don't know anything about Star Wars.
Originally posted by Rogue JediBecause Maul is a superior fighter to him and despite taking on both Maul was tiring them out.
Qui Gon WAS winded right before Maul killed him.
Originally posted by marwash22That wouldn't work against Maul or any capable sith or jedi. Against some bum human, sure.
Vader. Force choke. end of fight.
Originally posted by marwash22Name one competent jedi or sith he used it against in the movies.
So, it wouldn't work because Vader didn't use it against Obi? Okay sure, that logic isn't flawed at all.
We've already seen dooku use powers against yoda and admit it had to come down to their skills with a light saber. The best users negate the knowledge of the force.
Darth Maul force pushed Obi to best him anyways. He can't do it anytime he has to wait till his guard is down like anything.
Err, Mace was giving Palpatine the business with force lighting...
Palpatine pwned Yoda with force lighting twice...
You're making it seem like Force powers don't work on fellow Jedi/Sith when in fact, they work just the same as they do on regular people. Sure, it can be countered, but there's nothing to suggest that Vader couldn't choke Maul, or vice-versa for that matter.
Originally posted by marwash22Mace was reflecting it back and giving pal the business hence his deformity.
Err, Mace was giving Palpatine the business with force lighting...
Palpatine pwned Yoda with force lighting twice...You're making it seem like Force powers don't work on fellow Jedi/Sith when in fact, they work just the same as they do on regular people. Sure, it can be countered, but there's nothing to suggest that Vader couldn't choke Maul, or vice-versa for that matter.
Palpatine caught him off guard at first but yoda countered and it ended up being another saber fight.
They do work when you catch them off guard. That's the entire point they are pretty highly skilled and have defenses against this sort of thing normal humans don't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he's also killed in knowledge of the force. If this worked on everyone Vader could easily have taken out Obi with it. Doesn't work that way.
Since when was Maul ever "knowledgable" in the force as Vader was. That's ridiculous, and now you're bringing the EU into this conversation again which you can't do. Are you actually trying to say Maul was more poweful than Douku? Really? You really think Maul wouldn't fall to a force choke too? I don't understand how you can say these things when Maul in the movies showed absolutely nothing of the sort.
Originally posted by KaibsI never said he was but I said he effectively used a force push to gain the advantage over Obi.
Since when was Maul ever "knowledgable" in the force as Vader was. That's ridiculous, and now you're bringing the EU into this conversation again which you can't do. Are you actually trying to say Maul was more poweful than Douku? Really? You really think Maul wouldn't fall to a force choke too? I don't understand how you can say these things when Maul in the movies showed absolutely nothing of the sort.
How am I bringing the eu into this conversation when I have never read a thing about star wars ?
No, I don't think a force choke would work you need to do so against someone not ready for it. You can't just force choke people into death at will if they are capable and maul was more than capable.