Darth Maul vs. Darth Vader

Originally posted by Robtard
I think you have a highly exaggerated view of Maul, all things considered. As I said above, Padawan Obi did well against Maul, though ultimately losing the fight and winning due to Maul's arrogance. Vader would have torn through Padawan Obi and Qui Gon Gin in under a minute.

Pretty sure Dooku was the one that ran from Yoda, that fight is hazy in my head though.

Yoda Vs Palpatine, Yoda had the upper-hand in that fight.

IIRC; when they meet:

-Sidious uses lighting and Yoda both defends and ultimately pushes it back against Sidious. Pretty much a stalemate, though Sidious tries to flee the room and Yoda cock-blocks him with lite sabre. It's very telling if one opponent tries to flee.

-The sabre duel was pretty much equals and it's Sidious who switches tactics by throwing senate-seats at Yoda, who again, defends/dodges and ultimately returns the attack in kind. Stalemate, but I'd give the slight edge to Yoda again, he was pushing the fight more.

-Sidious reverts back to his initial tactic of Force-lightning and Yoda yet again cock-blocks it; Sidious has a "wtf, I'm in f--king trouble here, yo" look on his face and luckily for Sidious, Yoda's return-blast of Sidious' lightning sends his 40lbs green ass flying down and the fight ends.

So while Yoda failed in his "I will kill the Sith" mission, he didn't lose the duel, he was the one pushing and had the upper-hand, had he not fallen down, all things point to Yoda being the better duelist.

Maul Vs Yoda wouldn't even be a duel, Yoda would cut him down in a couple seconds.

Edit: Should also be said that Yoda did all that while having a massive reach disadvantage, in body, arm and light-sabre.

Maul could stalemate him in the same time Dooku did is my point.

Yoda didn't win so who cares if he had the upper hand. Palpatine did just fine and held his own.

Palpatine had power throughout his empire he had everything to lose and only Yoda's death to gain. I probably favor Yoda over him in the end anyways.

You have zero proof as to suggest why he can cut Maul down in seconds when he didn't even defeat Dooku or Palpatine and we saw Maul stalk his opponents and tactically maul them.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This is why discussing on-screen feats sucks. It's all open to interpretation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You speculate on how easily Vader could have beaten padawan obi. We have seen Maul easily best him and we saw him doing so because obi was too emotional which Vader is also known for.

Maul could stalemate him in the same time Dooku did is my point.

Yoda didn't win so who cares if he had the upper hand. Palpatine did just fine and held his own.

Palpatine had power throughout his empire he had everything to lose and only Yoda's death to gain. I probably favor Yoda over him in the end anyways.

You have zero proof as to suggest why he can cut Maul down in seconds when he didn't even defeat Dooku or Palpatine and we saw Maul stalk his opponents and tactically maul them.

Not so much speculation considering we have Maul Vs Master Qui Gon and Padawan Obi, Maul Vs Padawan Obi and Vader vs Master Obi fights to compare against.

Dooku didn't stalemate Yoda, Dooku had to flee, cos he knew he couldn't win the fight.

Yoda was the better duelist, that's the point. Had a fall not stopped the fight and allowed Sidious to flee to the safety of his clone army, Yoda would have won, considering how the fight was going.

I have zero proof? I have the films. Maul was the one being pushed back defensively against Qui Gon and Obi. While he killed Qui Gon when it went 1 Vs 1, it wasn't a rape and then a Padawan held up decently against him. Which as you pointed out, Obi wasn't in the best mental state as his master just got sliced. Add that up, a Master Obi Vs Maul would end with Maul in pieces.

Considering you agreed that Yoda would likely have won over Sidious(and the film implies this), you're not making any sense. Seems little more than "Maul is my favorite so he wins" type of debating.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not so much speculation considering we have Maul Vs Master Qui Gon and Padawan Obi, Maul Vs Padawan Obi and Vader vs Master Obi fights to compare against.

Dooku didn't stalemate Yoda, Dooku had to flee, cos he knew he couldn't win the fight.

Yoda was the better duelist, that's the point. Had a fall not stopped the fight and allowed Sidious to flee to the safety of his clone army, Yoda would have won, considering how the fight was going.

I have zero proof? I have the films. Maul was the one being pushed back defensively against Qui Gon and Obi. While he killed Qui Gon when it went 1 Vs 1, it wasn't a rape and then a Padawan held up decently against him. Which as you pointed out, Obi wasn't in the best mental state as his master just got sliced. Add that up, a Master Obi Vs Maul would end with Maul in pieces.

Considering you agreed that Yoda would likely have won Vs Palpatine, you're not making any sense. Seems little more than "Maul is my favorite so he wins" type of debating.

All you have to do is watch the god damn video on page 4 to see that Dooku clearly ran.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not so much speculation considering we have Maul Vs Master Qui Gon and Padawan Obi, Maul Vs Padawan Obi and Vader vs Master Obi fights to compare against.

Dooku didn't stalemate Yoda, Dooku had to flee, cos he knew he couldn't win the fight.

Yoda was the better duelist, that's the point. Had a fall not stopped the fight and allowed Sidious to flee to the safety of his clone army, Yoda would have won, considering how the fight was going.

I have zero proof? I have the films. Maul was the one being pushed back defensively against Qui Gon and Obi. While he killed Qui Gon when it went 1 Vs 1, it wasn't a rape and then a Padawan held up decently against him. Which as you pointed out, Obi wasn't in the best mental state as his master just got sliced. Add that up, a Master Obi Vs Maul would end with Maul in pieces.

Considering you agreed that Yoda would likely have won over Sidious(and the film implies this), you're not making any sense. Seems little more than "Maul is my favorite so he wins" type of debating.

In the time allotted his stalemated and fled. Maul ca do exactly the same thing in the same amount of time.

Speculation.

Maul defeated them so who cares if he was being pushed back against two highly skilled opponents when he separated them he beat them, easily.

Padawan was beaten rather quickly as well and hi sanger was the reason he was beaten. Vader lost due to his impulsiveness and anger twice. He'd so so a third time.

vader hasn't beaten either of these opponets the first time he fought he needed a rematch. Vader is lucky not anywhere near the best with a saber.

Yoda would have likely won but in the time we saw him on screen if it was anything we saw it wasn't quick decisive victories by any means.

Originally posted by Zampanó
Did you miss the part where that post is talking about Darth Vader
[B]BEFORE HE PUT ON THE SUIT?! [/B]

mmm

this has now become a rape, imo.

Originally posted by marwash22
LMAO. i didn't know that.

mmm

this has now become a rape, imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How so ? Vader was beaten all the time pre suit.

Dooku and Obi Wan... two people that would pwn the shit out of Maul.

YouTube video

Apprentice Obi Wan beat Darth Maul in about 1 Minute 15 Seconds.

Anakin faught MASTER JEDI Obi Wan for around 10-15 minutes.

Translating into what? OH WAIT... I think we all already know.

Originally posted by Kaibs

Apprentice Obi Wan beat Darth Maul in about 1 Minute 15 Seconds.

Anakin faught MASTER JEDI Obi Wan for around 10-15 minutes.

Translating into what? OH WAIT... I think we all already know.

Originally posted by marwash22
exactly. Maul fought what was basiclly a padawan-Obi... Anakin lost to Prime-Obi and really only lost because Obi had the high ground. Before that it was prety much a stalemate.

Well no. He would of lost eventually due to Obi Wan being the far superior Jedi. But the fact that he went that long to begin with shows that he has far more than enough to push Mauls shit in.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader lost against a fellow master. Maul fought one and an apprentice and won.

In the time allotted his stalemated and fled. Maul ca do exactly the same thing in the same amount of time.

Speculation.

Maul defeated them so who cares if he was being pushed back against two highly skilled opponents when he separated them he beat them, easily.

Padawan was beaten rather quickly as well and hi sanger was the reason he was beaten. Vader lost due to his impulsiveness and anger twice. He'd so so a third time.

vader hasn't beaten either of these opponets the first time he fought he needed a rematch. Vader is lucky not anywhere near the best with a saber.

Yoda would have likely won but in the time we saw him on screen if it was anything we saw it wasn't quick decisive victories by any means.

The lightsabre and Force-duel where about equal, though Obi was ultimatley better. Vader lost cos he made a retarded leap, he could have easily just waited. You're also implying that all Masters are equal, just isn't so. See: Yoda. See: Mace. Do you really think Qui Gon would have held his own against Yoda, Mace or Obi as a master?

WTF? It wasn't a stalemate, Yoda proved to be the better and Dooku fled, else he end up like Obi and Anakin on the floor. Watch the clip.

Um, no. Watch the film. But you're also kinda agreeing that Yoda would have won, so again, you're tripping over your own argument.

Yes, Maul did defeat Qui Gon and a padawan, when he got lucky and they were separated. Vader defeated a Sith much older and more powerful than Maul and as a Padawan, he fared well against a that same Sith. Then when fighting a Master Jedi (who did decently against Maul as a Padawn), he puts up a great fight. How you conclude that Maul showed better is beyond reason and it's starting to show like blind favoritism.

Obi was beaten because he was a Padawan, though considering his status, he did well in the fight.

Anakin was a Padawan when he first fought Dooku and he fared well. So you're not making and sense here.

Except of course if you watch the film, you see that it's Sidious on the defensive and the one trying to flee.

Originally posted by Kaibs
Well no. He would of lost eventually due to Obi Wan being the far superior Jedi. But the fact that he went that long to begin with shows that he has far more than enough to push Mauls shit in.

Originally posted by marwash22
heh. that's debatable; looked like an even battle to me. The determining factor if anything was wisdom, not really ability... Anakin got pwned because he was impatient/careless. Either way, Anakin beats Maul.

Yes, well that also translates into skill as well, as Obi Wan was more intuned with the force and knew that patience would help him win the day. But yeah it is a debatable. although in the end it will always go to Obi Wan since it was Obi Wan who walked away not in lava lol.

YouTube video

Once again, to say Maul showed any showings such as either in this is once again nonsense. The showings he had in Episode I doesn't even compare. Considering these two were Master level Jedi, and showed WAY more fighting prowess than Qui Gon.

well, the novel that ya'll don't like makes it pretty clear that Kenobi was in control of teh duel the entire way.

Originally posted by marwash22
beaten by...

Dooku and Obi Wan... two people that would pwn the shit out of Maul.

Originally posted by Kaibs
YouTube video

Apprentice Obi Wan beat Darth Maul in about 1 Minute 15 Seconds.

Anakin faught MASTER JEDI Obi Wan for around 10-15 minutes.

Translating into what? OH WAIT... I think we all already know.

Originally posted by Robtard
The lightsabre and Force-duel where about equal, though Obi was ultimatley better. Vader lost cos he made a retarded leap, he could have easily just waited. You're also implying that all Masters are equal, just isn't so. See: Yoda. See: Mace. Do you really think Qui Gon would have held his own against Yoda, Mace or Obi as a master?

WTF? It wasn't a stalemate, Yoda proved to be the better and Dooku fled, else he end up like Obi and Anakin on the floor. Watch the clip.

Um, no. Watch the film. But you're also kinda agreeing that Yoda would have won, so again, you're tripping over your own argument.

Yes, Maul did defeat Qui Gon and a padawan, when he got lucky and they were separated. Vader defeated a Sith much older and more powerful than Maul and as a Padawan, he fared well against a that same Sith. Then when fighting a Master Jedi (who did decently against Maul as a Padawn), he puts up a great fight. How you conclude that Maul showed better is beyond reason and it's starting to show like blind favoritism.

Obi was beaten because he was a Padawan, though considering his status, he did well in the fight.

Anakin was a Padawan when he first fought Dooku and he fared well. So you're not making and sense here.

Except of course if you watch the film, you see that it's Sidious on the defensive and the one trying to flee.

No, I don't see qui Gonn winning but then again he's nothing to Maul either.

No, I am not and never once did I say Maul would beat Yoda I stated he could replicate surviving.

No, it's you showing blind favoritism not me. You speculate the entire team ignore the fact Vader was beaten twice and soundly at that. Vader only beat Dooku's 'ass after he fought him for the second time.

Obi was beaten rather quickly so no I don't see him doing well at all in the fight. His anger cost him the fight and the same would happen to Vader.

Anakin was dominated by Dooku as a padawan and he was lucky to have survived just like he was lucky to have survived against Obi. Someone always saves the emo.

Sidious had everything to lose and only had to survive Yoda had to kill him. Fleeing was smart.

You are failing to acknowledge the substantial gap between QGJ and ROTS Kenobi... Until you acknowledge that (right now you are considering them near equal) anything we say will be denied by you, so I ask you this:

What did QGJ ever do in combat that was impressive?

ROTS Kenobi killed Grievous, and Defeated "the chosen one" Anakin Skywalker. (as well as 4 magnaguards)

What fight did QGJ ever win?

"replicate surviving".

lol. Quan.