Darth Maul vs. Darth Vader

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he was but I said he effectively used a force push to gain the advantage over Obi.

How am I bringing the eu into this conversation when I have never read a thing about star wars ?

No, I don't think a force choke would work you need to do so against someone not ready for it. You can't just force choke people into death at will if they are capable and maul was more than capable.

Yeah, but Obi was also once again just an apprentice, and also once again like RJ stated Qui Gon was fatigued before he even faught Maul, not to mention since we're bringing the EU into play on somethings you shoudl also know Qui Gon was more in tuned with the force than honing his lightsaber skills. You talking about what Maul can do in earlier posts that weren't even in the movie is bringing the EU into discussion. And i'm pretty sure unlike Maul, Vader is more than capable of using the force and his lightsaber at the same time. And you still haven't answered my question about Douku.

Originally posted by Kaibs
Yeah, but Obi was also once again just an apprentice, and also once again like RJ stated Qui Gon was fatigued before he even faught Maul, not to mention since we're bringing the EU into play on somethings you shoudl also know Qui Gon was more in tuned with the force than honing his lightsaber skills. You talking about what Maul can do in earlier posts that weren't even in the movie is bringing the EU into discussion. And i'm pretty sure unlike Maul, Vader is more than capable of using the force and his lightsaber at the same time. And you still haven't answered my question about Douku.

We saw anakin use the force and obi met him head on. Anakin's emotions will be his downfall like they were the first time against Dooku and the first time against Obi.

He won't get the rematch he seems to need to beat competent saber users.

What question did I avoid ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I brought up nothing about Maul that wasn't in the movies as I have never read anything eu about star wars ever.

We saw anakin use the force and obi met him head on. Anakin's emotions will be his downfall like they were the first time against Dooku and the first time against Obi.

He won't get the rematch he seems to need to beat competent saber users.

What question did I avoid ?

You act as if Maul has the personal connection to Anakin that Obi did... and his emotions aren't tied to Maul in any way shape or form... Douku was a better saber handler than Maul and he got his head cut off, he was also far vastly superior in the force tha Maul. Next you'er goin gto tell me that Maul could of killed Douku, or Yoda, or Obi Wan.

I reckon Vader murders Maul.

^ I reckon you're right.

Originally posted by Kaibs
You act as if Maul has the personal connection to Anakin that Obi did... and his emotions aren't tied to Maul in any way shape or form... Douku was a better saber handler than Maul and he got his head cut off, he was also far vastly superior in the force tha Maul. Next you'er goin gto tell me that Maul could of killed Douku, or Yoda, or Obi Wan.

I disagree with Dooku being a better fighter than Maul and anakin got a second chance like he did against obi. he was soundly defeated only lucky he got another chance.

Maul can kill Dooku as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
anakin was also emotional against dooku. It's not just against obi.

I disagree with Dooku being a better fighter than Maul and anakin got a second chance like he did against obi. he was soundly defeated only lucky he got another chance.

Maul can kill Dooku as well.

So let me get this straight, by your logic you're indicating Maul can go Toe to Toe with Yoda and live.

Welp this is where I'm done talking to you in this thread as well. Hopefully Sadako or Rob can get through to you. If not then you really know nothing about Star Wars. Which is fine.

Dooku would rape Maul.

Vader wins this as far as I see it on being way more powerful with the force, less flash, but more economical and elegant moves in lightsabre combat..

This economy of movement combined with the fact of Vader's "way bigger than Maul with killer reach" advantages,.
The length of his lightsabre blade + arm reach should well into Maul's territory, yet Maul has the advantage if Vader just sits back and lets the dude wail away with that fast twin bladed assault, cause the numbers game seems to dictate that longer that goes on, with Vader blocking him move for move, the more likely it is that Maul will find deadly strike.

I see Vader pressing forward with lots of short prescise little parries and attacks, cautting through Mauls more elaborate swings putting Maul on the back foot like Obi wan did after Qui-Gonn's
defeat...not giving Maul an inch, and any point at which Maul backs out of range, Vader could slam him with force attacks, be they pull/pushes/object attacks with heavy ass objects.

(Maul only ever flung 1 single small object on screen, into a door control panel, albeit reasonably quickly and seemingly expertly)

I think it'd be short, I think it'd be explosive, I think the former Tatooinian slave takes it on power, elegance/efficiency with the blade, together with being too much pressure for Maul to deal with in the end.

Also Vader has armour on most of his body that doenst stop Lightsabers completely if swung into it, but repells most of the damage.. (As seem by Luke's blow to Vader's shoulder in ESB, that rightfully would have gone straight through the arm and chest and effectively cut Vaders head and shoulders off with out it, judging by other LS wounds.)

Also, If Obiwan was able to exploit Maul's appetite for the suffering of his enemy, then Vader would be able to to an even greater extent too, I would assume, given that he seems to be a master of mindgames by OT times..

This is pre-suit Vader, so it's Vader with all his sabre skills and athleticism. Maul will be on the defensive and it would likely be a short fight, ending with Maul-bits strewn about.

As I said on page 2 (or was it 1?), Vader matched Master Obi in sabre and Force skills, while Maul merely just beat Padawan Obi (Obi didn't out-fight Maul, even though he won). There's a massive level of skill between Padawan and Master, I think we can all agree on this one.

I'm also of the opinion that AOTC Anakin would do well against Maul, though likely not win in the end.

Ahhh thank you Robtard. My bad. Thought it was suity Vader.

In that case you are exactly right, by my estimate..

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's funny how in one instance you say Qui Gon was an old man and then act like Obi Wan was in his prime when vader eventually beat him. Obi was older and stood there as vader bested him not even fighting back. That's laughable that vader could only best him when aged and not fighting back.

Vader has done nothing to suggest to me him beating Maul at all. His emotional outbursts play right into Maul's hands.

Did you miss the part where that post is talking about Darth Vader
BEFORE HE PUT ON THE SUIT?!

I certainly did. lol

lol... I'm sure he did... But I mean it's pretty obvious that Anakin would destroy Maul. Even before he was in his suit, he had a pretty high grasp on the force, and his saber skills like we said were on par with Obi Wan's.

Originally posted by Kaibs
So let me get this straight, by your logic you're indicating Maul can go Toe to Toe with Yoda and live.

Welp this is where I'm done talking to you in this thread as well. Hopefully Sadako or Rob can get through to you. If not then you really know nothing about Star Wars. Which is fine.

Yoda didn't really beat anybody onscreen. he went toe to toe with Dooku and Palpatine but beat neither of them.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dooku would rape Maul.

Originally posted by Zampanó
Did you miss the part where that post is talking about Darth Vader
[B]BEFORE HE PUT ON THE SUIT?! [/B]

Originally posted by Kaibs
lol... I'm sure he did... But I mean it's pretty obvious that Anakin would destroy Maul. Even before he was in his suit, he had a pretty high grasp on the force, and his saber skills like we said were on par with Obi Wan's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda didn't really beat anybody onscreen. he went toe to toe with Dooku and Palpatine but beat neither of them.

Considering you're of the opinion that Maul would maul Dooku, you must also be off the opinion that Maul would bring the hurt down upon Yoda and possibly Sidious, considering the opinion above.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering you're of the opinion that Maul would maul Dooku, you must also be off the opinion that Maul would bring the hurt down upon Yoda and possibly Sidious, considering the opinion above.

I dunno. I think he can more than stalemate him in the same manner Dooku did in the time allotted for their onscreen fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think he'd maul Dooku I just think he would defeat him.

I dunno. I think he can more than stalemate him in the same manner Dooku did in the time allotted for their onscreen fight.

I think you have a highly exaggerated view of Maul, all things considered. As I said above, Padawan Obi did well against Maul, though ultimately losing the fight and winning due to Maul's arrogance. Vader would have torn through Padawan Obi and Qui Gon Gin in under a minute.

Pretty sure Dooku was the one that ran from Yoda, that fight is hazy in my head though.

Yoda Vs Palpatine, Yoda had the upper-hand in that fight.

IIRC; when they meet:

-Sidious uses lighting and Yoda both defends and ultimately pushes it back against Sidious. Pretty much a stalemate, though Sidious tries to flee the room and Yoda cock-blocks him with lite sabre. It's very telling if one opponent tries to flee.

-The sabre duel was pretty much equals and it's Sidious who switches tactics by throwing senate-seats at Yoda, who again, defends/dodges and ultimately returns the attack in kind. Stalemate, but I'd give the slight edge to Yoda again, he was pushing the fight more.

-Sidious reverts back to his initial tactic of Force-lightning and Yoda yet again cock-blocks it; Sidious has a "wtf, I'm in f--king trouble here, yo" look on his face and luckily for Sidious, Yoda's return-blast of Sidious' lightning sends his 40lbs green ass flying down and the fight ends.

So while Yoda failed in his "I will kill the Sith" mission, he didn't lose the duel, he was the one pushing and had the upper-hand, had he not fallen down, all things point to Yoda being the better duelist.

Maul Vs Yoda wouldn't even be a duel, Yoda would cut him down in a couple seconds.

Edit: Should also be said that Yoda did all that while having a massive reach disadvantage, in body, arm and light-sabre.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think you have a highly exaggerated view of Maul, all things considered. As I said above, Padawan Obi did well against Maul, though ultimately losing the fight and winning due to Maul's arrogance. Vader would have torn through Padawan Obi and Qui Gon Gin in a matter of seconds.

Pretty sure Dooku was the one that ran from Yoda, that fight is hazy in my head though.

Yoda Vs Palpatine, Yoda had the upper-hand in that fight.

IIRC; when they meet:

-Sidious uses lighting and Yoda both defends and ultimately pushes it back against Sidious. Pretty much a stalemate, though Sidious tries to flee the room and Yoda cock-blocks him with lite sabre. It's very telling if one opponent tries to flee.

-The sabre duel was pretty much equals and it's Sidious who switches tactics by throwing senate-seats at Yoda, who again, defends/dodges and ultimately returns the attack in kind. Stalemate, but I'd give the slight edge to Yoda again, he was pushing the fight more.

-Sidious reverts back to his initial tactic of Force-lightning and Yoda yet again cock-blocks it; Sidious has a "wtf, I'm in f--king trouble here, yo" look on his face and luckily for Sidious, Yoda's return-blast of Sidious' lightning sends his 40lbs green ass flying down.

So while Yoda failed in his "I will kill the Sith" mission, he didn't lose the duel, he was the one pushing and had the upper-hand.

Maul Vs Yoda wouldn't even be a duel, Yoda would cut him down in a couple seconds.

Dooku did indeed run from Yoda.

YouTube video

To say Maul could do anything what Dooku did in this fight is hilarious.

This is why discussing on-screen feats sucks. It's all open to interpretation.