Originally posted by illadelph12I suppose you could look at it that way. Although the anime is basically the same story with filler. Don't know if it would weaken or strengthen any combatant exponentially since DBGT isn't here.
Anime is considered a completely separate adaptation and not lower in canon, but canon unto itself (i.e., Animated JLU Supes vs. Comic Supes).
Thank God.
c-master, I feel like your argument illustrates a bit of the dual standards that ill brought up before
you keep asking why didn't vegeta's explosion blow up more if he was more powerful than cell
yet you don't apply that standard to comic characters...ie when certain people fight (ie Superman vs Doomsday), they create immense shockwaves and such that impact those around them, but sometimes when higher level beings (ie powergem thor vs thanos as carver brought up) they don't. does that mean thanos and pg thor are any weaker than superman and dd simply because their battle output is less?
Originally posted by Starscream M
c-master, I feel like your argument illustrates a bit of the dual standards that ill brought up beforeyou keep asking why didn't vegeta's explosion blow up more if he was more powerful than cell
yet you don't apply that standard to comic characters...ie when certain people fight (ie Superman vs Doomsday), they create immense shockwaves and such that impact those around them, but sometimes when higher level beings (ie powergem thor vs thanos as carver brought up) they don't. does that mean thanos and pg thor are any weaker than superman and dd simply because their battle output is less?
except that punches and explosions arent the same thing.
Originally posted by ParmaniacSo did Gotenks. 😛
Buu screamed non stop after being imprisoned in the "training room" and tore a rift in the dimension.
Originally posted by Starscream M
c-master, I feel like your argument illustrates a bit of the dual standards that ill brought up beforeyou keep asking why didn't vegeta's explosion blow up more if he was more powerful than cell
yet you don't apply that standard to comic characters...ie when certain people fight (ie Superman vs Doomsday), they create immense shockwaves and such that impact those around them, but sometimes when higher level beings (ie powergem thor vs thanos as carver brought up) they don't. does that mean thanos and pg thor are any weaker than superman and dd simply because their battle output is less?
No, you guys are using that logic and not me(I was acting as a mediator more or less). I was just talking about that in regards to the debate we had earlier, our claims were backed up in the Flash and Zoom debate, but here we're using straight ABC logic (which is understandable to some extent). But a self destruction attack doing less damage with an exponentially more powerful character isn't the same thing.
A self destruction attack releases all of the energy, hence why Vegeta used it, he knew he was in a hopeless situation. Why in the hell would he "weaken" it after ko'ing Gotenks and Trunks and having Vegeta evacuate them?
Like I said just a second ago. Using "oh Frieza blew a planet up with 3 fingers so every hit is now a planet busting attack". Is a contradiction in itself. (Especially considering you have more control over a normal attack than you would blowing yourself up and releasing *all* of your energy.
Originally posted by illadelph12yep...whereas you look at the fight between thor and bor...a fight between very high heralds...yet they barely destroyed a city block
Even just taking fisticuffs into consideration DBZ is above most when it comes to collateral damage caused by it. The shockwaves from impacts destroy country sides and cause eruptions.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterA self destruction attack releases all of the energy, hence why Vegeta used it, he knew he was in a hopeless situation. Why in the hell would he "weaken" it after ko'ing Gotenks and Trunks and having Vegeta evacuate them?
but nobody said he 'weakened' it. It wasn't weaker blast, it was more focused, so in a way it was more powerful, if you were within the blast radius.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masteryou're totally right on this...but I doubt anyone really is saying this. No one is saying every attack by frieza is planet-busting...just like no one would say every hit by thor is planet busting. At least I don't think anyone said that. 😕
Like I said just a second ago. Using "oh Frieza blew a planet up with 3 fingers so every hit is now a planet busting attack". Is a contradiction in itself. (Especially considering you have more control over a normal attack than you would blowing yourself up and releasing *all* of your energy.
Originally posted by illadelph12That is understandable.
GT is canon to Animated DBZ and not to Manga DBZ.
But using anime and manga interchangeably isn't. Using Udon SF with Video Game SF is doesn't work. Video Game SF is still the official canon though (which is what I meant from the beginning).
In this case the anime and manga versions were about the same power level, but they did have events that were filler.
Originally posted by Starscream MIt would have still reached the Earth's core. I prefer to think of it as more or less of an inconsistency.
but nobody said he 'weakened' it. It wasn't weaker blast, it was more focused, so in a way it was more powerful, if you were within the blast radius.you're totally right on this...but I doubt anyone really is saying this. No one is saying every attack by frieza is planet-busting...just like no one would say every hit by thor is planet busting. At least I don't think anyone said that. 😕
It seemed like the argument of "Oh Frieza did it casually, means all of his hits do that."
Which back to my point. Would Frieza have the time do destroy the planet? Would it even work?
What would you give Frieza in this match?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That is understandable.But using anime and manga interchangeably doesn't. Using Udon SF with Video Game SF is doesn't work. Video Game SF is still the official canon though (which is what I meant from the beginning).
In this case the anime and manga versions were about the same power level, but they did have events that were filler.
Which is why it would be necessary to state the version being used. For example, Animated Goku's canon is from Dragonball through Dragonball GT, whereas his Manga Adaptation ends at DBZ. If a fight were made using Animated Goku, only evidence from the cartoons would be admissable as evidence (which would include feats from GT and make SSJ4 level available), and the same for Manga Goku (only Manga Evidence could be used for arguments, not cartoon clips).