Originally posted by Starscream M
maybe not the superman-batman onesbut superman still doesn't show a speed advantage in alot of fights with guys whose speed nowhere comes close to his.
in a dbz fight, a guy more powerful will be so fast a weaker guy simply will never land a hit. its much more consistent in that respect.
there's a stated reason he doesn't show a speed advantage. it's not him simply forgetting he has speed.
i'm not disputing anything about DBZ.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I never said otherwise. On the contrary, the fact that the powerlevels don't reflect a linear increase in capabilities, but an exponentially bigger one, suggests that those with powerlevels in the milions are, well, ridiculously overpowered.I wasn't helping the Thanos side with that part. *cue to evil laugh*
........ YEAH?! WELL----!!!!!!!! 😠
oh. 😮...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
File not found. Based off of what though? We've given several reasons why that doesn't translate.
I have proven this...
Goku outmuscling nappa...
Goku outmuscling vegeta...
Goku outmuscling piccolo.
The list goes on.
Frieza out muscling vegeta.
How about you all proving or showing someone with a lower power level beating someone on a physical level with a higher power level. The argument is on you all to prove the opposite and please don't bring anything up involving plot like the captain ginyu and goku fight because captain ginyu was physically losing that fight.
Originally posted by jinzinif A=B then B=A.
No not like that at all... considering your example references characters that ALREADY exist. 😬Can't quantify Thanos' PL as there is no base to compare him to/from etc. Also me being unable to quantify Thano's powerlevel based off abilities is NOT the same as me BEING able to estimate or quantify abilities based off of Power Levels.
If you can estimate abilities based on power level then certainly you can estimate power level based on abilities?
What is Thanos's Power level?
Originally posted by Starscream M
no...don't know. is it him holding back or something?
1. Superman fights fair, because he honestly believes he won't lose.
2. He wants to be a target for his enemies. He wants them to focus on him and nobody else, hence the bright colours of his uniform.
3. He wants to talk the villain down, to let them get their anger out and to let them calm down and realise they were wrong in the first place (which has actually worked).
So in general, yes, a holding back, but more specifically, what i stated above.
Originally posted by Starscream MSo like I said it's a rough gauge.
EXACTLYDBZ is so much more consistent in this respect
if someone is higher powered...they don't suffer from PIS. Cell is never gonna even acknowledge guys like Roshi or krillin. He's too far beyond them.
In comics, you have superman being FTL one second and then getting chumped by batman the next. Such inconsistency simply doesn't exist in DBZ.
Then again you have to wonder why weaker characters are able to stall, and why the spirit bomb didn't work on Frieza but it did on someone more powerful.
Originally posted by jinzinSo are you arguing they stack proportionally or exponentially more so to the favor of the more powerful.
If it fails to do what I suggested.. it fails in an opposite way than the one people are trying to use in this thread.Also, we don't necessarily know that everyone's a 5 across the board.
Originally posted by jinzinBe good...
gotta go watch true grit... call you later.
Originally posted by psycho gundamI said this in the beginning.
that'st he irony carver can't grasp.manga only has one writer 90% of the time, but when you factor in the anime, you get other people adding their stuff in and you have the inconsistencies present in comics
Anime generally has one writer for one (long) story.
Comics have tons of writers with tons of different styles and likes and biases.
If we're going to count the inconsistencies in comics, we should with DBZ as well.
Originally posted by jinzinNo it doesn't. Because we don't know how powerlevels compare to themselves, we also don't know how they compare to others.
If anything this argument actually makes things worse for Thanos supporters as if it suggests or proves anything it's that being at a 10 doesn't make you as WEAK as only twice the overall stats as someone of a 5. 😬
If thanos is 50 points higher in power level than freeza then it being exponential means that its much worse for freeza.
If thanos is double freeza's power level it makes it much MUCH worse for freeza.
But we don't know Thanos's power level. So stating freeza's is useless.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Sorry, that was the box for the RPG DBZ:Legacy of Goku.So we're going to stick to the manga where things are more consitant and you don't have Goku in a super sayan level being hurt by a thrown rock?
Didn't you say that the slow flying speed was plot device?
oh lol
Goku got hurt by a rock while he wasn't fighting..
And that's what one example of inconsistancy compared to literally dozens of high examples...
How many times has Superman been uneffected by a Black Hole? Compare that to how many times he's been hurt by class 100's.....
Yeah flying speed is usually hampered for the sake of the plot, still won't find me arguing that DBZ character's are about a win flight races in this thread. 😐
You somehow combed over the part where I ALSO said their flight speed doesn't translate to combat speed.
Flight speed, consistently shown slow (usually for dramatic purposes)
Combat speed, consistently shown high (usually to demonstrate capability)....
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterthey're able to stall because DBZ villains, like villains in all fiction, like to toy with their opponents rather than finish them...hence giving the good guys time to power up and eventually overpower them.
Then again you have to wonder why weaker characters are able to stall,
basically, plot reasons.
Originally posted by jinzin
oh lolGoku got hurt by a rock while he wasn't fighting..
And that's what one example of inconsistancy compared to literally dozens of high examples...
How many times has Superman been uneffected by a Black Hole? Compare that to how many times he's been hurt by class 100's.....
Yeah flying speed is usually hampered for the sake of the plot, still won't find me arguing that DBZ character's are about a win flight races in this thread. 😐
You somehow combed over the part where I ALSO said their flight speed doesn't translate to combat speed.
Flight speed, consistently shown slow (usually for dramatic purposes)
Combat speed, consistently shown high (usually to demonstrate capability)....
superman rarely fights class 100s.
Originally posted by carver9You are having trouble grasping. Nobody said they weren't more powerful overall, just that they don't stack as intended. And please I've been about the only one who's had the sense to post scans in the thread.
I have proven this...Goku outmuscling nappa...
Goku outmuscling vegeta...
Goku outmuscling piccolo.
The list goes on.
Frieza out muscling vegeta.
How about you all proving or showing someone with a lower power level beating someone on a physical level with a higher power level. The argument is on you all to prove the opposite and please don't bring anything up involving plot like the captain ginyu and goku fight because captain ginyu was physically losing that fight.
Of DBZ of all things. All I ask is for your examples so I can post them and help out both sides. I am more on the fence where this is concerned because both sides have inconsistencies and whatnot. I mentioned Vegeta explosions vs Cells for one. Just because I think Thanos would win doesn't mean I'm against DBZ.
I honestly think the ones who are supporting Thanos have more DBZ knowledge than the DBZ supporters do on Thanos (on average).
Originally posted by -Pr-He's like my World of Warcraft character. I also play a tank in bright flashy characters that is actually against fighting with the horde and would rather be peaceful with them.
1. Superman fights fair, because he honestly believes he won't lose.
2. He wants to be a target for his enemies. He wants them to focus on him and nobody else, hence the bright colours of his uniform.
3. He wants to talk the villain down, to let them get their anger out and to let them calm down and realise they were wrong in the first place (which has actually worked).So in general, yes, a holding back, but more specifically, what i stated above.
Originally posted by Starscream MYea but in later levels, if characters are sooooo exponentially more powerful, they shouldn't take many hits at all. The end of the Buu saga is a perfect example.
they're able to stall because DBZ villains, like villains in all fiction, like to toy with their opponents rather than finish them...hence giving the good guys time to power up and eventually overpower them.basically, plot reasons.