Originally posted by -Pr-superman's fights usually start after the talking has been proved useless
1. Superman fights fair, because he honestly believes he won't lose.
2. He wants to be a target for his enemies. He wants them to focus on him and nobody else, hence the bright colours of his uniform.
3. He wants to talk the villain down, to let them get their anger out and to let them calm down and realise they were wrong in the first place (which has actually worked).So in general, yes, a holding back, but more specifically, what i stated above.
and based on that, are you suggesting that superman is willing to risk countless lives and incalculable destruction dragging out a fight by fighting 'fair' rather than using all of his powers effectively to end a murderous villain quickly before anyone else has to get hurt?
Originally posted by Creshosk
if A=B then B=A.If you can estimate abilities based on power level then certainly you can estimate power level based on abilities?
What is Thanos's Power level?
I didn't know that marvel and DC follow the same power level rules as dbz.
Well in a comic it stated that surfer power level was 9000. Does that help?
This just in: Goku's bite force > planetary destruction.
What's that about being hurt by far less again?
Anyway, the way that DBZ powerlevels work is impossible to carry over to just about any other media. This is due to the power levels themselves, apparently. In most media, you can have a character who is really strong, but not very fast, or a character who is fast, but not strong. In DBZ, it just doesn't work like that. All the abilities of a given character are in a perfect balance, and when power level increases, all abilities increase. In DBZ, you don't have many characters that excel in only one stat.
I recall hearing somewhere that in Japanese, they aren't called "power levels," but instead everyone is given a "combat rating." Having a higher combat rating, predictably, shows that someone is better in combat. Since everyone's abilities are balances, higher combat ratings mean better abilities in all areas. The reason power levels and such don't translate to other media is because other media don't have such balanced characters.
Example: Thanos. He's really good in a lot of areas, but I wouldn't say he's perfectly balanced in all his abilities. His speed is apparently pretty low, while his durability is through the roof. His strength and energy output are both very high. Yet, again, he can't be given a concrete combat rating/power level simply because all his stats aren't equal.
Originally posted by Starscream M
superman's fights usually start after the talking has been proved uselessand based on that, are you suggesting that superman is willing to risk countless lives and incalculable destruction dragging out a fight by fighting 'fair' rather than using all of his powers effectively to end a murderous villain quickly before anyone else has to get hurt?
he talks during his fights.
no, of course i'm not; but how many people actually die during superman fights?
it's why when he faces someone powerful he turns it up a notch and wins the fight.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
sure he does
like who?
even the few he has fought can't really hurt him more than knocking him around a bit.
Originally posted by Creshosk
if A=B then B=A.If you can estimate abilities based on power level then certainly you can estimate power level based on abilities?
What is Thanos's Power level?
This isn't a case of A=B.. 🤨
If we saw accurate comparisons of them maxing out their power levels at different times in the series for collateral damage or Thanos' ability to max his energy for the same, then yeah you may be able to do that.
But the bottem line?:
I don't need to estimate Thanos' power level to be able to dictate that someone who busted a planet at less than 1% of his power could do more than 100% more damage using his full strength.
You insistence otherwise is well... a bit strange.
I like the game you're playing but it doesn't work that way and we both know it.
Originally posted by jinzinWhile in a super saiyan form, during a filler section.
oh lolGoku got hurt by a rock while he wasn't fighting..
I haven't seen the rerelease so I don't know if the filler sections that are what causes the inconsistency (And GT which ios also adding to the inconsistency) But that's why I perfer to stick to the manga. Less inconsistencies.
Such as Goku struggling to push apart a large hill well after the freeza saga. Also filler from the anime,
Originally posted by jinzinTell me. how is moving from one place to another different from moving from one place to another?
[B]And that's what one example of inconsistancy compared to literally dozens of high examples...How many times has Superman been uneffected by a Black Hole? Compare that to how many times he's been hurt by class 100's.....
Yeah flying speed is usually hampered for the sake of the plot, still won't find me arguing that DBZ character's are about a win flight races in this thread. 😐
You somehow combed over the part where I ALSO said their flight speed doesn't translate to combat speed.
Flight speed, consistently shown slow (usually for dramatic purposes)
Combat speed, consistently shown high (usually to demonstrate capability)....
They can suddenly fly fast because theres a flag that goes up to tell the game that comabat is occuring?
I'm not saying anything about reaction speeds(which tend to get downplayed by those with true ftl flight, they don't run into anything, yet the dbz supporters say they have poor reaction speeds for some reason) or how fast you can move your hands and feet.
I'm talking about full body movement.
Originally posted by The Scenario
YouTube videoThis just in: Goku's bite force > planetary destruction.
What's that about being hurt by far less again?
Anyway, the way that DBZ powerlevels work is impossible to carry over to just about any other media. This is due to the power levels themselves, apparently. In most media, you can have a character who is really strong, but not very fast, or a character who is fast, but not strong. In DBZ, it just doesn't work like that. All the abilities of a given character are in a perfect balance, and when power level increases, all abilities increase. In DBZ, you don't have many characters that excel in only one stat.
I recall hearing somewhere that in Japanese, they aren't called "power levels," but instead everyone is given a "combat rating." Having a higher combat rating, predictably, shows that someone is better in combat. Since everyone's abilities are balances, higher combat ratings mean better abilities in all areas. The reason power levels and such don't translate to other media is because other media don't have such balanced characters.
Example: Thanos. He's really good in a lot of areas, but I wouldn't say he's perfectly balanced in all his abilities. His speed is apparently pretty low, while his durability is through the roof. His strength and energy output are both very high. Yet, again, he can't be given a concrete combat rating/power level simply because all his stats aren't equal.
Buu was bitten too, so you know what that means.... galaxy level bites!!
Originally posted by Creshosk
No it doesn't. Because we don't know how powerlevels compare to themselves, we also don't know how they compare to others.If thanos is 50 points higher in power level than freeza then it being exponential means that its much worse for freeza.
If thanos is double freeza's power level it makes it much MUCH worse for freeza.But we don't know Thanos's power level. So stating freeza's is useless.
You can't compare thanos and frieza power level wise. Thanos doesn't feed off ki like frieza does.
What thanos most powerful blast that he has done? That could help.
Tell me. how is moving from one place to another different from moving from one place to another?They can suddenly fly fast because theres a flag that goes up to tell the game that comabat is occuring?
I'm not saying anything about reaction speeds(which tend to get downplayed by those with true ftl flight, they don't run into anything, yet the dbz supporters say they have poor reaction speeds for some reason) or how fast you can move your hands and feet.
I'm talking about full body movement.
I assume DBZ characters can only do short bursts of speed and fail on anything long distance.
Originally posted by The Scenario
YouTube videoThis just in: Goku's bite force > planetary destruction.
What's that about being hurt by far less again?
Anyway, the way that DBZ powerlevels work is impossible to carry over to just about any other media. This is due to the power levels themselves, apparently. In most media, you can have a character who is really strong, but not very fast, or a character who is fast, but not strong. In DBZ, it just doesn't work like that. All the abilities of a given character are in a perfect balance, and when power level increases, all abilities increase. In DBZ, you don't have many characters that excel in only one stat.
I recall hearing somewhere that in Japanese, they aren't called "power levels," but instead everyone is given a "combat rating." Having a higher combat rating, predictably, shows that someone is better in combat. Since everyone's abilities are balances, higher combat ratings mean better abilities in all areas. The reason power levels and such don't translate to other media is because other media don't have such balanced characters.
Example: Thanos. He's really good in a lot of areas, but I wouldn't say he's perfectly balanced in all his abilities. His speed is apparently pretty low, while his durability is through the roof. His strength and energy output are both very high. Yet, again, he can't be given a concrete combat rating/power level simply because all his stats aren't equal.
Thinking the fact that it was Goku biting Frieza is what was important there.
You wouldn't expect a bite from Daredevil to hurt Hulk, but a bite from Grey Hulk would probably do the trick.
So I'm not really sure what you think you proved there. 😕
On the other hand..... I don't get jokes...
🙁
Originally posted by Bentley
The lack of a theorethical model to deal with a phenomena doesn't invalidate it though. It could also be explained through alternate reality models, even if as you say it would be inconsistent.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Correct.Roshi was only about 28 times more powerful than an average farmer (powerlevel of 139 to the farmer's 5) yet he destroyed the moon.
Originally posted by -Pr-
when was the last time superman got chumped by batman?
I believe Batman's quote was--and I'm paraphrasing--"Superman could smash into me at the speed of light, instantly killing me. The difference, however, is that deep down Superman is Clark Kent and I'm Bruce Wayne." *Puts on kryptonite gloves.*
I'm sure someone here could direct you to the issue.
Originally posted by jinzinI'm
This isn't a case of A=B.. 🤨
after all = means equal to.
if a certain power level A is equivilent to abilities B. Then you should be able to reverse engieneer that if you know the abilities B to figure out what power level A is.
If you can't then its not quantifiable.
Originally posted by jinzinHow much less? 99% less? 25% less can you prove that that's how much power was used no more no less?
If we saw accurate comparisons of them maxing out their power levels at different times in the series for collateral damage or Thanos' ability to max his energy for the same, then yeah you may be able to do that.
But the bottem line?:
I don't need to estimate Thanos' power level to be able to dictate that someone who busted a planet at less than 1% of his power could do more than 100% more damage using his full strength.
Originally posted by jinzinI don't think you're quite understanding what I'm getting at.
[B]You insistence otherwise is well... a bit strange.I like the game you're playing but it doesn't work that way and we both know it.
Originally posted by jinzin
Lousy Doomsday clones for one.
during the Return of Supergirl arc? That's still the exception, not the rule, and they never even seemed close to beating him.
Originally posted by Astner
No, that's the point. Some DC authors clearly restrict superluminal travel to the Speed-force. Illogical models would contain loops and are essentially meaningless. For a system to be properly analyzed it would have to be consistent by itself.This argument is horrible. The scaling doesn't have to be linear. We have many scales of measurements that are exponential. Decibel, [dB] is logarithmic scale where each added factor 10 result in a doubling of the sound energy. Another example is the alkalic pH-scale where a increase of 1 [pH] result in 10 times as many OH- ions.
Though I'm unable to find a complete scan or refer to the specific issue, here's the picture.
I believe Batman's quote was--and I'm paraphrasing--"Superman could smash into me at the speed of light, instantly killing me. The difference, however, is that deep down Superman is Clark Kent and I'm Bruce Wayne." *Puts on kryptonite gloves.*
I'm sure someone here could direct you to the issue.
superman was mind-controlled at the time.
Originally posted by carver9So? the farmer who's never utilized his chi is able to be assigned a power level of 5. Master Roshi's turtle has a power level.
You can't compare thanos and frieza power level wise. Thanos doesn't feed off ki like frieza does.What thanos most powerful blast that he has done? That could help.
Why not thanos based off his abilities?
