Originally posted by -Pr-class 100 = able to routinely military press 100 tons on earth, this also goes for those who have an undefined strength limit since they too can lift 100 tons.
like who?even the few he has fought can't really hurt him more than knocking him around a bit.
it's the bell curve point seperating the boys from the men, that's all
Originally posted by jinzin
Thinking the fact that it was Goku biting Frieza is what was important there.You wouldn't expect a bite from Daredevil to hurt Hulk, but a bite from Grey Hulk would probably do the trick.
So I'm not really sure what you think you proved there. 😕
On the other hand..... I don't get jokes...
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It's just me questioning the double standard of someone tanking a black hole but being hurt by a class 100 as compared to Frieza tanking a planet shaking kick and/or a planet buster yet being stunned and hurt by a bite to the tail.
Basically, Goku's planet shaking kick is less than his bite strength, apparently.
Originally posted by Creshosk
While in a super saiyan form, during a filler section.I haven't seen the rerelease so I don't know if the filler sections that are what causes the inconsistency (And GT which ios also adding to the inconsistency) But that's why I perfer to stick to the manga. Less inconsistencies.
Such as Goku struggling to push apart a large hill well after the freeza saga. Also filler from the anime,
Tell me. how is moving from one place to another different from moving from one place to another?
They can suddenly fly fast because theres a flag that goes up to tell the game that comabat is occuring?
I'm not saying anything about reaction speeds(which tend to get downplayed by those with true ftl flight, they don't run into anything, yet the dbz supporters say they have poor reaction speeds for some reason) or how fast you can move your hands and feet.
I'm talking about full body movement.
I honestly don't know either, been ages since I read the manga... just started reading Dragonball again since C posted the links.
I just gave you the benefit of the doubt.... Knew I shouldn't have been so trusting! lol
Meathod of travel, rate of travel, distance, course. There can be many differences as there are here.
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Lol, with DBZ characters I can only make assumptions and presumptions.
My presumption is that long distance travel is taxing on power levels at high speeds but short bursts at a much higher rate of speed are easier to produce.......
In the end it really doesn't matter what I think or assume. The FACT is that they fight WAYYYY faster than they travel. It's ot my job to explain why.
Originally posted by The Scenariothe bite is for humor, nothing more.
It's just me questioning the double standard of someone tanking a black hole but being hurt by a class 100 as compared to Frieza tanking a planet shaking kick and/or a planet buster yet being stunned and hurt by a bite to the tail.Basically, Goku's planet shaking kick is less than his bite strength, apparently.
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Buu was bitten too, so you know what that means.... galaxy level bites!!
Lol... naah, that someone that is just as physically as strong as the other can hurt that person. That's like me saying that since galactus can shed solar systems tenebrous can't hurt him when all in all, tenebrous is almost as much of an equal to gagalctus as any other person that hurt him.
You all are not using common sense. Just think for a bit.
Originally posted by AstnerAnd the moh's hardness scale. The point is that it's not simply additive, but we don't know how much more each an increase in power level is.
No, that's the point. Some DC authors clearly restrict superluminal travel to the Speed-force. Illogical models would contain loops and are essentially meaningless. For a system to be properly analyzed it would have to be consistent by itself.This argument is horrible. The scaling doesn't have to be linear. We have many scales of measurements that are exponential. Decibel, [dB] is logarithmic scale where each added factor 10 result in a doubling of the sound energy. Another example is the alkalic pH-scale where a increase of 1 [pH] result in 10 times as many OH- ions.
Originally posted by -Pr-
during the Return of Supergirl arc? That's still the exception, not the rule, and they never even seemed close to beating him.
I never argued that they were about to beat him. Just that his typical class 100 fights have him get hurt/effected to some degree thus a black hole should REALLY REALLY phuck him up.
I wouldn't say him getting effected in class 100 fights is any LESS consistent than him avoiding harm in a black hole would you? 😕
Originally posted by carver9So back to my point way back when. Just because a character at a lower level can "bust planets" that doesn't mean an "exponentially more powerful one" does it with a jab because another character "tanked those explosions" and are hurt by said jab.
Hat means thaLol... naah, that someone that is just as physically as strong as the other can hurt that person. That's like me saying that since galactus can shed solar systems tenebrous can't hurt him when all in all, tenebrous is almost as much of an equal to gagalctus as any other person that hurt him.
You all are not using common sense. Just think for a bit.
Unless they can do Galaxy level bites. Seems like DBZ and comics have plenty in common after all.
Originally posted by The ScenarioIdk. I think it may be another example of power being condensed to a single point for attack. Like the destructo disk.
It's just me questioning the double standard of someone tanking a black hole but being hurt by a class 100 as compared to Frieza tanking a planet shaking kick and/or a planet buster yet being stunned and hurt by a bite to the tail.Basically, Goku's planet shaking kick is less than his bite strength, apparently.
Like how some comic character can tank blunt force trauma like crazy but fail at edged and bladed weapons...
only my speculation though.
In all honesty, my girlfirends have gotten more reaction out of me with bites than times when I've been punched or kicked in the face by trained fighters. *shrug*
Originally posted by jinzinThats' why I had always been adamant about Not trying to compare DBZ characters to comic book characters. As awesome as the DBZ story is, we don't have the proper data to translate them.
I honestly don't know either, been ages since I read the manga... just started reading Dragonball again since C posted the links.I just gave you the benefit of the doubt.... Knew I shouldn't have been so trusting! lol
Meathod of travel, rate of travel, distance, course. There can be many differences as there are here.
😛Lol, with DBZ characters I can only make assumptions and presumptions.
My presumption is that long distance travel is taxing on power levels at high speeds but short bursts at a much higher rate of speed are easier to produce.......
In the end it really doesn't matter what I think or assume. The FACT is that they fight WAYYYY faster than they travel. It's ot my job to explain why.
Then theres the metastroy of DBZ that doesn't help. By the end of dragon ball Goku was supposed to be the strongest there was having beaten kami (Kami can mean God). But Akira Toriyama-sensei's bosses wanted more, and they kept ****ing up AT's visions. Then Goku was supposed to stop after the freeza Saga. They kept futzing up AT during the android saga, chaning it from androids 16 and 19 to 17 and 18 and then again to cell. and then ccell changed a few times because they were never happy with AT's portrayal of the androids.
Then AT wanted to shift the focus of the story to Gohan in high school and do a romantic comedy... but AT's bosses would have none of that...
I thought it was funny myself.
Originally posted by CreshoskYea that sucked. I enjoyed the Gohan/Videl thing.
Thats' why I had always been adamant about Not trying to compare DBZ characters to comic book characters. As awesome as the DBZ story is, we don't have the proper data to translate them.Then theres the metastroy of DBZ that doesn't help. By the end of dragon ball Goku was supposed to be the strongest there was having beaten kami (Kami can mean God). But Akira Toriyama-sensei's bosses wanted more, and they kept ****ing up AT's visions. Then Goku was supposed to stop after the freeza Saga. They kept futzing up AT during the android saga, chaning it from androids 16 and 19 to 17 and 18 and then again to cell. and then ccell changed a few times because they were never happy with AT's portrayal of the androids.
Then AT wanted to shift the focus of the story to Gohan in high school and do a romantic comedy... but AT's bosses would have none of that...
Damned executive meddling. They intended for Gohan to be the hero later, and messed *that* up too.
Originally posted by jinzin
I never argued that they were about to beat him. Just that his typical class 100 fights have him get hurt/effected to some degree thus a black hole should REALLY REALLY phuck him up.I wouldn't say him getting effected in class 100 fights is any LESS consistent than him avoiding harm in a black hole would you? 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
Idk. I think it may be another example of power being condensed to a single point for attack. Like the destructo disk.Like how some comic character can tank blunt force trauma like crazy but fail at edged and bladed weapons...
only my speculation though.In all honesty, my girlfirends have gotten more reaction out of me with bites than times when I've been punched or kicked in the face by trained fighters. *shrug*
Wouldn't the black hole comparing to the cl 100 hits be like comparing the cl 100 hits to the bladed weapons?
Originally posted by Creshosk
So? the farmer who's never utilized his chi is able to be assigned a power level of 5. Master Roshi's turtle has a power level.Why not thanos based off his abilities?
Because thanos isn't in the dbz universe and it has outrighted been stated that his power level is cosmic.
Everything in dbz resides off of ki energy, the spirit bomb alone is made from ki energy that is released from humans, planets, etc...
Dc and marvel has its own source of energy like dc revolves around the speed force.
You can't use dbz power scaling to determine thanos power level. Besides physically taking people out, what has thanos done blasting wise? Has there been any types of quotes about what his power would do if it was unleashed?
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm
not accusing you of faulty reasoning. KI'm pointing out that if A=b and A is 2 then B is 2. Therefore you can deduce that if A=B and B is 2 then A is 2.after all = means equal to.
if a certain power level A is equivilent to abilities B. Then you should be able to reverse engieneer that if you know the abilities B to figure out what power level A is.
If you can't then its not quantifiable.
How much less? 99% less? 25% less can you prove that that's how much power was used no more no less?
I don't think you're quite understanding what I'm getting at.
You're claim is that power levels are not quantifiable.... but we can quantify them in a number of scenarios.
We can quantify what a character can do based off of what they've done obviously, and multiply that by their stated increase in power (as with Frieza specifically).
We KNOW that Freiza was not using even 1% of his true power when he leveled Vegeta..
If I'm not getting what you're attempting to drive at, then drop the Socratic method and address it directly.. I'm thick headed. his could take you all night otherwise.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterYeah. And there are people out there that say I hate DBZ, even though I know so much about it and speak highly of it.
I thought it was funny myself. Yea that sucked. I enjoyed the Gohan/Videl thing.Damned executive meddling. They intended for Gohan to be the hero later, and messed *that* up too.
Simply because I don't swallow their unsupported contradicted by canon arguments.
Like the fact that I veiw anything the villian says they can do with skepticism.
At the time they were SUPPOSED to be right about their claims, making it cool when the Hero overcame the impossible odds. But then an even more impossible villian comes along and totally hosing the sentiment in the villians words into mere trash talk.
So of llike how Advent children actually ruined some of the sentiment of FFVII. And how nobody takes death in comics seriously.
"I'll sacrifice myself to save the world ending in my demise right now. See you next week, Tuesday good for you for tea?"