Populating the "Cube Being" tier...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
*sigh*

Quanchi, I'm so tired of arguing with you. You want a response? Pretend my last post was a reply and match up the text.

Edit: Eons ago? You seem to be playing the age card more and more recently. I'll remember that.

But it applies here. Thor seemed to have been portrayed imo more favorable against the Hulk than he does today. Strength wise Hulk has definitely run past Thor and then some.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then why even continue this dance with me. We both know how this always ends.

But it applies here. Thor seemed to have been portrayed imo more favorable against the Hulk than he does today. Strength wise Hulk has definitely run past Thor and then some.

Because as long as I've provided sufficient evidence to the spectators to acknowledge or even come over to my stance, I've succeeded.

It does always end with me getting tired of shooting down all your arguments.

What does that mean? That you agree this scene proves that at the time, Thor was stronger than the Hulk? I don't give a shit as long as you're consistent.

If you think so.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because as long as I've provided sufficient evidence to the spectators to acknowledge or even come over to my stance, I've succeeded.

It does always end with me getting tired of shooting down all your arguments.

What does that mean? That you agree this scene proves that at the time, Thor was stronger than the Hulk? I don't give a shit as long as you're consistent.

If you think so.

You haven't shot down a thing which makes your comment make no sense.

I'd have to read the entire comic or leaf through it to get the specifics.

Hulk's strength levels change anyways and his power seems to have gone up opver the years whereas Thor's hasn't imo. Thor's best power feats are from like 20-30 years ago. They still apply but currently Thor seems to not cut the mustard strength wise against the Hulk anymore.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol what?

I can't think of more than a single instance that an Odin fan used that scene as evidence before a Galactus fan has. Galactus fans and the like however cling to a piece of text on that page like a drowning to a life preserver. Because without it, there's no basis at all that Galactus was in anyway weakened, when Thor sent his ass running to the hills.

I don't care if that page ceased to exist. I doubt any Thor/Odin fans would either.

Why on earth would a Galactus fan, use a scan where Odin and Galactus according to Thor is equal, when what the Galactus side argues for is always that Galactus is above Odin?

I can't think of a single incident, where the afformentioned scan was used in a debate, by a Galactus fan to argue for Galactus being above Odin, but please by my guest and find such a incident.

There is no way of saying that Galactus was weakened when Thor used the Godblast on him? In the second confrontation Galactus makes it clear that he wanted to feast on Ego's energy just like he wanted in their first confrontation because his need for energy was great. And ofcause in Thor V1 #134 Galactus says that he enters the Black Galaxy in order to obtain the abundance of life located therein.

So actually those that is using the afformentioned scan obviously have no idea of that atleast two other sources exist that points out that Galactus was hungry when Thor used the Godblast on him.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No way...

Owen simply possesses a portion of the power of of CCU; he and the Maker/Beyonder are incomplete Cubes...

Kubik may have asked Owen to restore Kosmos/Beyonder, but going by feats, there is no doubt in my mind that Kubik could have done this as well...afterall, Kubik is a complete CCU.

Owen has feats >>> any of the other cube beings, and Kubik pretty much admitted Owen's superiority.

I mean, Owen was warping the multiverse when he pulled Beyonder out of Kosmos and fought him, and then Kubik mentioned how this still wasn't Owen's full potential.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Odin doesnt have better feats than the best of the Phoenix Force. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

On panel? I'd say he does or at least equals.

And the very fact that Odin is but a speck of the Phoenix Forces totality and yet has such high level feats should surely lead you to realise that its not all about feats alone when comparing these characters, but also character statements, the comparative nature of the characters themselves and common sense that should all play a part in such discussion.

Of course common sense says that Odin gets wiped out within nanoseconds of confronting the High End Abstractions and Universal/Multversal Forces. But on panel feats...................., this is why LordofMurder came up with the new Tier thread and this thread. Marvel needs to tone down it's on panel feats by insects that have no business doing them (Odin shaking the multiverse, Two Thors clanging hammers shacking the fabric of the universe, etc....).

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Owen has feats >>> any of the other cube beings, and Kubik pretty much admitted Owen's superiority.

I mean, Owen was warping the multiverse when he pulled Beyonder out of Kosmos and fought him, and then Kubik mentioned how this still wasn't Owen's full potential.

Didn't Own go on to be WTFPwned by Sentry?

Originally posted by zopzop
Didn't Own go on to be WTFPwned by Sentry?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wasn't Odin beaten by an army of ants far below Thor level on top of his own army ? I can play this game too.

My point, which you obviously missed, was writers are idiots.

How is a FULL Cube Being (Kosmos/Kubik) < Half a Cube Being (Molecule Man)?

That's the same logic that makes a High Herald WTFPwn half a Cube Being.

Originally posted by zopzop
On panel? I'd say he does or at least equals.

Such as shaking the multiverse? You know that sometimes 616 alone is referred to as a multiverse because of the various dimensions linked to it alone such as Asgard, Dark Dimension etc.

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Unless theres any proof that Odin affected the actual multiverse, instead of the pseudo multiverse/universe it should probably be accepted that it was just the universe as the term alone isnt enough. Plus in Odins case as a skyfather it is far more feasible that it was just the universe.

Originally posted by zopzop
Of course common sense says that Odin gets wiped out within nanoseconds of confronting the High End Abstractions and Universal/Multversal Forces. But on panel feats...................., this is why LordofMurder came up with the new Tier thread and this thread. Marvel needs to tone down it's on panel feats by insects that have no business doing them (Odin shaking the multiverse, Two Thors clanging hammers shacking the fabric of the universe, etc....).

Maybe its just a case that we have been misinterpreting the actual scale of the feats. But yes i generally agree.

Originally posted by zopzop
My point, which you obviously missed, was writers are idiots.

How is a FULL Cube Being (Kosmos/Kubik) < Half a Cube Being (Molecule Man)?

That's the same logic that makes a High Herald WTFPwn half a Cube Being.

Well no, because Owen isn't half a cube being. Cube beings are CCU's which are fully evolved from their raw, wish granting state. Whereas Owen is a human being who can tap into the same energies as a cube being iirc. I mean, admittedly, that makes it weird why he was needed to complete Kosmos, but then at the same time if he was part of a cube being then why would he be able to exist away from Kosmos and use his powers after they had been absorbed into Kosmos...

Either way, it's got to the point where even if Owen is part of a cube being , he's been shown to be superior by feats and also has a nubmer of character's (that would know about these things) stating his effectively limitless power etc...

Originally posted by zopzop
My point, which you obviously missed, was writers are idiots.

How is a FULL Cube Being (Kosmos/Kubik) < Half a Cube Being (Molecule Man)?

That's the same logic that makes a High Herald WTFPwn half a Cube Being.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Writers vary geused to it you stating Odin is up there with abstracts is the most idiotic thing I have heard in years.

Yea because him having feats dwarfing Eternity and crew is meaningless and all.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yea because him having feats dwarfing Eternity and crew is meaningless and all.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yea because him having feats dwarfing Eternity and crew is meaningless and all.

Feats don't prove anything and don't ever trump character portrayals.

The Celestials fight was OVER THIRTY YEARS AGO.

A lot has changed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Holding onto feats is pure garbage and we've seen how weak he is when compared to Celestials who barely even noticed an amped Odin.

Feats don't prove anything and don't ever trump character portrayals.

😂 at you calling feats pure garbage. I guess thanos has no feats.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yes they do.Feats determine 95% of character placement.

😂 at you calling feats pure garbage. I guess thanos has no feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos is portrayed as higher than top tiers I don't need to recite feats of him lifting heavy objects to prove my points. Feats aren't that important imo. You will never learn.

And no hes not portrayed that way. Feats show he is that way.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Feats are very important. Read the rules.

And no hes not portrayed that way. Feats show he is that way.