Populating the "Cube Being" tier...

Originally posted by Utrigita
Which would be strange as it's of more use to the Odin side then it is to the Galactus side.

It is now that you mention it. Whatever.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It might not have been what you meant but based on your initial comment it was highly suggestable, that it was what the scan was used for.

Well, I’m too lazy to scroll up to find my comment, so I’ll assume you know what you’re talking about.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Two that says the other thing have however been presented.

The scene as far as I'm aware is from Thor #134. That Galactus have feed on multiple worlds prior to encountering Ego is a possibility, but if that is the case the choice of words used by Galactus, that the Abundance of life within must be claimed, makes it, atleast to me based on Galactus history, clear that Galactus was hungry, because else he wouldn't feed, unless he is facing a great threat, and Galactus didn't at that point of time know he would encounter Ego within the Black Galaxy, so I find that unlikely.

It is. That was stated in #134 and not #160 which happens later on. I think we’re getting mixed up.

My understanding: Issue #134 - Galactus reaches the Black Galaxy. He says he needs to claim the abundance of life therein. Issue #160 - We see a large number of refugees from devoured planets etc. Skip to Galactus who says that his already passed through this way, and nothing but destruction remains -Confirming he feed at least at one point in time- and then Ego attacks him from the edge of the Black Galaxy.

This leads me to another question that I’ll address below.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I suggest getting them all digital 🙂

I use to have them all digital, but I can’t find my external hard drive. 🙁

Originally posted by Utrigita
Correct and still not quite, the next paragrah mentions that Galactus for a time avoided Ego "And for a Time I avioded Ego - Until my Need for life Energy became to great"

Originally posted by Utrigita
Not quite, I know that Galactus only feeds when he must varies, but generally that is the consensus, and it would imo also be the case here because Galactus has no need to amp himself to a confrontation, which is normally the cause for him to amp himself. But I also think that it's based on the second encounter scan obvious that if Galactus goes to Ego when his need for Energy is great, then why should his initial attempt to consume Ego be based on other circumstances then Galactus also being in need for Energy?

How often does Galactus feed? Because in #160, multiple worlds were ravaged and such, which seems kind of unnecessary unless his hunger wildly fluctuated or his need for energy is a never ending constant. Or he might simply store the energy but that seems a bit too far fetched for back then.

Galactus’ initial conflict with Ego started because Ego attacked. He wasn’t even searching for food when the battle began. Galactus outright said that he was studying the Cosmos and he then sensed an aura of dim intelligence.

And are you assuming that Galactus fed on no other worlds between his first encounter with Ego, and his second? Because there's a pretty big gap -in reference to not feeding- in time. I mean, do you think Galactus tried to feed on Ego their first battle, and he then avoided him until the need became too great? I assumed that after their initial encounter, at some point, Galactus couldn’t find any more worlds to feed on, and returned to consume Ego because his need for energy had grown to great.

This is just my opinion, but based on what I read in the Thor series I think that whenever Galactus encounters a world with bio energies that he can feed on, he does. Even when his hunger isn’t gnawing at him although it’s constantly there below the surface (Explains the constant feeding)

That’s the only way I can explain the events from Thor #134 and #160 together with #226. Before re-reading #226, I thought Galactus only wanted to destroy Ego, and not feed on him because I honestly think he was not hungry when he encountered Ego. At least not hungry to the point his actively searching for a planet or weakened below his average.

Whatever, at this point, it's basically a no prize answer.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I think the text box combined with thew afformentioned scan in Thor #136 put together with the general knowledge of Galactus as a character is enough evidence to say or atleast make a argument for why Galactus was weakened at the time.

Like I said before, with the text from #226, you can now make an argument for it but I still think it’s unlikely that he was hungry.

Originally posted by Utrigita
IIRC Thor called on the elder power within him or something like that, isn't it possible that it's in some way connected with Odin?

The only thing stated in relation to Odin was the beginning of Thor’s attack when he said “In the name of Odin….” which was quite clearly just a reference to Odin as Thor’s sire etc. He use to do those type of things all the time. When he attacks someone in the name of Odin, that doesn't mean his tapping into the power of Odin.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It is now that you mention it. Whatever.

Indeed. My point merely was that if people really want to debate Galactus vs Odin there are sources a plenty, and the afformentioned scan (which initiated this).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, I’m too lazy to scroll up to find my comment, so I’ll assume you know what you’re talking about.

Reread it a couple of times before I posted so fairly sure.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
s. That was stated in #134 and not #160 which happens later on. I think we’re getting mixed up.

My understanding: Issue #134 - Galactus reaches the Black Galaxy. He says he needs to claim the abundance of life therein. Issue #160 - We see a large number of refugees from devoured planets etc. Skip to Galactus who says that his already passed through this way, and nothing but destruction remains -Confirming he feed at least at one point in time- and then Ego attacks him from the edge of the Black Galaxy.

This leads me to another question that I’ll address below.

Wasn't it just the wanderes fleeing before Galactus? That was my understanding, and the wanderes was the inhabitants on the first planet Galactus consumed. Anyways as I recall it, it's rather vague in the comic, it mentions that he passed through, granted, but a accurate timeframe isn't given. Given it's Galactus we are dealing with it could be eons since he passed by, and now remembers that the energy outside of the black galaxy have been claimed. Hence the energy within must be claimed in order for Galactus to appease the hunger within him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I use to have them all digital, but I can’t find my external hard drive. 🙁

🙁 indeed.

Okay.

It's just, imo, a sign of Galactus again going to Ego in order to obtain energy to consume.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How often does Galactus feed? Because in #160, multiple worlds were ravaged and such, which seems kind of unnecessary unless his hunger wildly fluctuated or his need for energy is a never ending constant. Or he might simply store the energy but that seems a bit too far fetched for back then.

Atm Galactus feeds rapidly to replenish the energy levels that he lost in Annihilation as a result of his captivity. Surfer told that to BRB in Godhunter iirc, prior to that Galactus feed once a month and prior to that when the universe was "young" and Galactus constructed Taa II, they said that it toke him centuries, only interrupted when he occasionally had to abandon his project and search for energy. I can't recall who mentioned it (most likely one of the heralds) that Galactus need for energy have grown over the eons, which is why he now requires two heralds, previously one, and before that none. So to answer you question, Galactus hunger doesn't to my knowledge fluctuate wildly, but have grown steadily through his existance, which is also why I tried to give a possible explanation to this strange incident above.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Galactus’ initial conflict with Ego started because Ego attacked. He wasn’t even searching for food when the battle began. Galactus outright said that he was studying the Cosmos and he then sensed an aura of dim intelligence.

Yet iirc Galactus struck first, with his gun. Ego told Galactus to turn back because Galactus had entered a space where Ego was Power, to which Galactus replied by firing upon Ego with his gun, in the second confrontation Ego struck first. I find it rather strange that Galactus wasn't searching for the Abundance of Energy that drew him into the Black Galaxy in the first place.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And are you assuming that Galactus fed on no other worlds between his first encounter with Ego, and his second? Because there's a pretty big gap -in reference to not feeding- in time. I mean, do you think Galactus tried to feed on Ego their first battle, and he then avoided him until the need became too great? I assumed that after their initial encounter, at some point, Galactus couldn’t find any more worlds to feed on, and returned to consume Ego because his need for energy had grown to great.

No I'm not assuming that, I'm assuming that Galactus in the mean time searched and found different sources of energy, but as we know (based on the Morg scan) that the energy within the planet varies in energy level, it's possible that Galactus after a streak of "bad planets" wasn't at the same energy level as he used to, he knew that Ego was "a Abundance of life" and knew where Ego could be located, because that is also another problem with the various alien races that are fleeing, Galactus before arquiring a herald iirc, spent most of his time searching for the next planet to devour, it's therefore also possible that Galactus simply didn't find a planet "in time" and therefore decided to try and consume Ego once again. So generally we are in agreement, my point merely is that if Galactus goes to Ego the second time because his need for energy is great, why should his first encounter with Ego then have been based on other circumstances, he was after all still sure that he could beat Ego in his diminished state, which would lead me to suspect that the circumstances then was the same as prior to their second encounter, that Galactus was hungry.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is just my opinion, but based on what I read in the Thor series I think that whenever Galactus encounters a world with bio energies that he can feed on, he does. Even when his hunger isn’t gnawing at him although it’s constantly there below the surface (Explains the constant feeding)

That, surprisingly, isn't my opinion, Galactus while not seeing other lifeforms as something to worry about isn't interested in devouring just for devouring or collect energy if it isn't needed. Most of his time is spent, according to Drone 81, probing the great mysteries of the universe (aboard Taa II) while his herald look for a planet to him, previously he did so himself, but it the impression given about Galactus isn't, imo, that he devours a planet if he has recently feed on another. I recall a incident where just passed a planet with bioenergy, I'll try and find the scan because I think that was where it was stated.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That’s the only way I can explain the events from Thor #134 and #160 together with #226. Before re-reading #226, I thought Galactus only wanted to destroy Ego, and not feed on him because I honestly think he was not hungry when he encountered Ego. At least not hungry to the point his actively searching for a planet or weakened below his average.

The main problem, I see with this incident is the age Galactus has as a comic Character at that point of time, he was as you mentioned, not very welldefined, and I'll be honest that the majority of the material that I'm using is of significantly younger date. However what I'm sure haven't changed is the way Galactus acts and that is that Galactus doesn't devour something simply for it being there. It's not in his character to enter the Black Galaxy searching to claim a Abundance of life, if that lifeforce wasn't needed, he would more likely have flown back to Taa II, if studying the universe was what he was interested in at the point of time. Galactus have never been interested in conquering something, that the confrontation between Tyrant and Galactus made very clear, which is also why I find it unlikely that he would engage Ego simply to defeat him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Whatever, at this point, it's basically a no prize answer.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said before, with the text from #226, you can now make an argument for it but I still think it’s unlikely that he was hungry.

And as mentioned I doesn't think that the #226 is required to make it. Which is basically the difference.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The only thing stated in relation to Odin was the beginning of Thor’s attack when he said “In the name of Odin….” which was quite clearly just a reference to Odin as Thor’s sire etc. He use to do those type of things all the time. When he attacks someone in the name of Odin, that doesn't mean his tapping into the power of Odin.

I was more refering to life force that he used to fuse into his Hammer to create the Godblast, and ofcause the there is Mjolner which is enchanted by Odin, which could also be the reason for the comment.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So what if he said Galaxies? Do you not understand the meaning of the word countless?

So why make the point with such a comparatively miniscule fragment if the area actually threatened was exponentially greater? Galaxies being threatened when you would argue the total area affected was the actual multiverse? 😕

Thats like someone having the power to blow up or cause major devastation on a planetary scale and yet only towns and cities being referred to as the things threatened.

Nonsensical.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, Seth’s goal was mostly Universal from what I recall. Unless you count conquering the heavens as Multiversal?

I dont.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬 It stated that the battle affected every plane of reality. I did no such thing. I admitted that the word Universe was used, but as I pointed it out, it could just as easily be the Multiverse.

It stated that every plane of reality was affected. Inconsequential.

You acknowledge Seths ambitions were universal, you know that 616 is a pseudo multiverse resulting in the term multiverse being used interchangably with universe when referring to an actual universe so thats all that needs to be said. Unless we have confirmation of skyfathers affecting actual multiversal scale areas then given how they are more consistently portrayed as global scale powers then it is logical to assume in this case it was just referring to 616 affected.

And something merely being affected means very little. Affected how? For all we know he caused miniscule vibrations in 616's neighbouring pocket dimensions detectible by those with powers.

It doesnt say other planes of reality were destroyed, torn apart, rocked, or threatened. Merely affected.

Galaxies were threatened.

Thats in line with Odin and Seth TOGETHER letting off energies that had a universal affect.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Even if it was the 616, it wouldn’t just be a Universe. As indicated, it was a battle waged on all planes of reality. That means, at the bare minimum, it affected all the realities connected to the 616 if not more.

Answered above. Means very little. Nothing conclusive and nothing that could amp either of them up a tier.

Galactus alone when not at full power destroyed galaxies in a single outburst of power.

Two skyfathers going at it for a far more prolonged period threatening(they didnt actually destroy) countless galaxies seems in line with that to me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Odin’s status as a Skyfather means nothing. DeFalco had Thor operating on a multi Universal scale. He treats Odin as far above Thor as far as I’ve seen.

Skyfathers are commonly portrayed as global scale powers, so the reference skyfather does carry with it a certain expectation of power level.

Thor operating on a multi universal scale? Any scans? And is this yet another case where youve chosen to interpret actual multiverse over pseudo multiverse? Is this yet another case of the affects of a characters direct and focused exertion being merely detectible on a greater scale and you referencing that greater scale as if it means something? 😬

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Meaning: If someone doesn't like a certain scene, the get to pick and choose what the term means.?

Nope. It means we look at what conclusive scales a character has been shown operating on and use those feats as a basis from which to judge scenes described with ambiguous references.

Multiverse has become an ambiguous term. If Odin is said to have affected the multiverse then unless he has conclusively been shown in other instances of affecting such an area then it is logical for us to decide the reference means the universe/pseudo multiverse.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because you think so?

Well yes 😄

But then my thoughts on the matter are shaped by their consistent CONCLUSIVE scales they have been shown to operate on, on panel character statements etc

@GalacticStorm

Common sense says, Skyfathers have no business busting galaxies let alone affecting multiverses but it's right there on panel.

The writers are absolute idiots, having Earth based Gods outperforming high end UNIVERSAL abstracts in terms of feats.

There's nothing to argue until the writers at Marvel get a clue and stop this BS.

they are earth based gods , however choas war made it clear that earths gods are the most powerful gods in the universe

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
they are earth based gods , however choas war made it clear that earths gods are the most powerful gods in the universe

🤨 😘

Originally posted by zopzop
@GalacticStorm

Common sense says, Skyfathers have no business busting galaxies let alone affecting multiverses but it's right there on panel.

The writers are absolute idiots, having Earth based Gods outperforming high end UNIVERSAL abstracts in terms of feats.

There's nothing to argue until the writers at Marvel get a clue and stop this BS.

KK, if skyfathers are wrecking galaxies and threatening multiverse wide destruction, what's left for abstracts to do?

The LT himself is only a multiversal judge.

Abstracts preside over the entire universe. A galaxy or even dozens should be nothing to them.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Abstracts preside over the entire universe. A galaxy or even dozens should be nothing to them.

Should, is the keyword.

In the Infinity Gauntlet series, Galactus, Stranger, Eon, Order, Chaos, Love, Hate, two Celestials, and Kronos blasted Thanos with everything they had simultaneously and it only managed to destroy the immediate solar system and "many" of the neighboring ones.

Surtur, a being Skyfather level, destroyed an entire galaxy just to forge his sword, by himself.

Galaxy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"many" solar systems in size.

Surtur's damage output >>>>>>>>>>>>> Combined Cosmics and Abstracts.

Originally posted by zopzop
Should, is the keyword.

In the Infinity Gauntlet series, Galactus, Stranger, Eon, Order, Chaos, Love, Hate, two Celestials, and Kronos blasted Thanos with everything they had simultaneously and it only managed to destroy the immediate solar system and "many" of the neighboring ones.

Surtur, a being Skyfather level, destroyed an entire galaxy just to forge his sword, by himself.

Galaxy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"many" solar systems in size.

Surtur's damage output >>>>>>>>>>>>> Combined Cosmics and Abstracts.

I've never heard something so stupid. Galactus alone, when battling Tyrant busted multiple galaxies IIRC. Thats not including any of the other abstracts much less LT.