Originally posted by quanchi112Feats place him where he is not portaryal. Portrayal only really matters when you get into cube being and higher. Until then feats determine everything.
Go ahead and explain since feats determine his placing tell me which ones. Quit dodging questions actually debate. He's well beyond trans nowadays.
No hes not. I'd place him at low skyfather at best.
Originally posted by Black bolt zWhich feats then ? You just keep repeating yourself in virtually every thread and try to make it sound as if you know what you are talking about when it's obvious you can't name what feats.
Feats place him where he is not portaryal. Portrayal only really matters when you get into cube being and higher. Until then feats determine everything.No hes not. I'd place him at low skyfather at best.
You will act insulted and throw up another smiley and avoid the question. You really haven't a clue about any character on here.
You don't even know what skyfather level is.
Originally posted by quanchi112You want me to name feats for the character you claim to know everything about? 😂
Which feats then ? You just keep repeating yourself in virtually every thread and try to make it sound as if you know what you are talking about when it's obvious you can't name what feats.You will act insulted and throw up another smiley and avoid the question. You really haven't a clue about any character on here.
You don't even know what skyfather level is.
No thats you.
Going by your tiering surfer wold be high skyfather.
Originally posted by Black bolt zI know his feats I know you don't though hence me asking you. You even threw up a smiley just like I predicted. I am sooo good.
You want me to name feats for the character you claim to know everything about? 😂No thats you.
Going by your tiering surfer wold be high skyfather.
Says the guy who avoided the question and threw up a smiley just as I predicted.
I don't tend to classify beings usually. That's what others do not I.
Originally posted by quanchi112If you know his feats then why are you asking for his feats as to why he is at the placing he is?
I know his feats I know you don't though hence me asking you. You even threw up a smiley just like I predicted. I am sooo good.Says the guy who avoided the question and threw up a smiley just as I predicted.
I don't tend to classify beings usually. That's what others do not I.
It wasn't a question lol.It was an insult.
Your supposed to tier beings...
Originally posted by Black bolt zI already told you why because I know you don't know the answer. This is to expose you as a debater. You just say things but don't really know why you say them as you can't explain which feats as you simply don't know.
If you know his feats then why are you asking for his feats as to why he is at the placing he is?It wasn't a question lol.It was an insult.
Your supposed to tier beings...
It was a smiley I never said it was a question. You make no sense.
No, I am not. That's ridiculous I don't have to do anything.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes I do. But why do you want to know feats for thanos which you claim to know all the feats for that would determine his placement of which you don't use feats to determine his placement?
I already told you why because I know you don't know the answer. This is to expose you as a debater. You just say things but don't really know why you say them as you can't explain which feats as you simply don't know.It was a smiley I never said it was a question. You make no sense.
No, I am not. That's ridiculous I don't have to do anything.
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Yes you are. Otherwise you agree with ZopZop.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Why on earth would a Galactus fan, use a scan where Odin and Galactus according to Thor is equal, when what the Galactus side argues for is always that Galactus is above Odin?
I see your point, but I can honestly tell you I have seen that scene referenced a fair bit more by Galactus fans than I have seen it done by Odin fans etc.
Frankly, I can only think of two incidents where it's happened.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I can't think of a single incident, where the afformentioned scan was used in a debate, by a Galactus fan to argue for Galactus being above Odin, but please by my guest and find such a incident.
What? That in itself makes no sense. How can anyone use that scene as evidence that Galactus is above Odin? That's not even close to what I meant. Galactus fans use that scene as evidence that Galactus was severely weakened against Thor.
Originally posted by Utrigita
There is no way of saying that Galactus was weakened when Thor used the Godblast on him?
As far as I remember.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And ofcause in Thor V1 #134 Galactus says that he enters the Black Galaxy in order to obtain the abundance of life located therein.
I'm pretty sure I'm aware of the scene you're talking about. It is when Galactus first introduces himself, no? I acknowledge that scene, but about 30 issues later -Thor #160- it shows that Galactus had feed on the abundance of life and so on with various refugees fleeing the multiple worlds that Galactus feed on.
Galactus only encounters Ego because he returns back through one of the areas he ravaged to study the Cosmos due to a subtle wave of intelligence or something and Ego attacks him.
Originally posted by Utrigita
In the second confrontation Galactus makes it clear that he wanted to feast on Ego's energy just like he wanted in their first confrontation because his need for energy was great.
Curse you for making me find the issue (It's been a while.)
Galactus says he wanted to fight Ego, to conquer him, and ultimately to consume him because he was a planet. That doesn't mean Galactus was hungry. He didn't even initiate the encounter with Ego as I recall. Doesn't help that Galactus later pointed out that he avoided Ego until his hunger was too great. Indicating that if he was hungry at all -which I don't believe he is- it wasn't vital enough to engage him in combat.
As I understand it, you're argument is based on the principle that Galactus only feeds when his hungry. I was pretty sure that this was not the case?
I can think of only one scene that might indicate Galactus was hungry, and it's neither of the two mentioned.
However, I have seen your point. If someone read the top text box during the issue when Galactus came Thor for help, I might see why they came to the conclusion that they did.
I still however don't understand how the writer of that annual thought Thor called on the power of the Odin to defeat Galactus.
Originally posted by Black bolt zI know his entire history but you don't. You don't know anything about him. Other people say things you steal their logic yet don't know how to back it up yet. As a debater I don't think you will grow with this attitude.
Yes I do. But why do you want to know feats for thanos which you claim to know all the feats for that would determine his placement of which you don't use feats to determine his placement?😐
Yes you are. Otherwise you agree with ZopZop.
You stated feats determine this stuff yet ignored it when it comes to Celestials and Odin then claimed I was only using high feats for Odin but you yourself used the highest feat of the Celestials well probably the only feat you know of.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Such as shaking the multiverse? You know that sometimes 616 alone is referred to as a multiverse because of the various dimensions linked to it alone such as Asgard, Dark Dimension etc.Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Unless theres any proof that Odin affected the actual multiverse, instead of the pseudo multiverse/universe it should probably be accepted that it was just the universe as the term alone isnt enough. Plus in Odins case as a skyfather it is far more feasible that it was just the universe.
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Multiverse mentioned.
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Every plane of reality mentioned.
It could referring to the 616 and all the conjoined dimensions there in, or it could be the Multiverse. Knowing DeFalco though, I'm leaning towards the second choice. Course, the word Universe was mentioned.
I think the battle was somewhere between 616 related and Multiversal.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I see your point, but I can honestly tell you I have seen that scene referenced a fair bit more by Galactus fans than I have seen it done by Odin fans etc.Frankly, I can only think of two incidents where it's happened.
Which would be strange as it's of more use to the Odin side then it is to the Galactus side.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? That in itself makes no sense. How can anyone use that scene as evidence that Galactus is above Odin? That's not even close to what I meant. Galactus fans use that scene as evidence that Galactus was severely weakened against Thor.
It might not have been what you meant but based on your initial comment it was highly suggestable, that it was what the scan was used for.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As far as I remember.
Two that says the other thing have however been presented.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm pretty sure I'm aware of the scene you're talking about. It is when Galactus first introduces himself, no? I acknowledge that scene, but about 30 issues later -Thor #160- it shows that Galactus had feed on the abundance of life and so on with various refugees fleeing the multiple worlds that Galactus feed on.Galactus only encounters Ego because he returns back through one of the areas he ravaged to study the Cosmos due to a subtle wave of intelligence or something and Ego attacks him.
The scene as far as I'm aware is from Thor #134. That Galactus have feed on multiple worlds prior to encountering Ego is a possibility, but if that is the case the choice of words used by Galactus, that the Abundance of life within must be claimed, makes it, atleast to me based on Galactus history, clear that Galactus was hungry, because else he wouldn't feed, unless he is facing a great threat, and Galactus didn't at that point of time know he would encounter Ego within the Black Galaxy, so I find that unlikely.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Curse you for making me find the issue (It's been a while.)Galactus says he wanted to fight Ego, to conquer him, and ultimately to consume him because he was a planet. That doesn't mean Galactus was hungry. He didn't even initiate the encounter with Ego as I recall. Doesn't help that Galactus later pointed out that he avoided Ego until his hunger was too great. Indicating that if he was hungry at all -which I don't believe he is- it wasn't vital enough to engage him in combat.
As I understand it, you're argument is based on the principle that Galactus only feeds when his hungry. I was pretty sure that this was not the case?
I can think of only one scene that might indicate Galactus was hungry, and it's neither of the two mentioned.
However, I have seen your point. If someone read the top text box during the issue when Galactus came Thor for help, I might see why they came to the conclusion that they did.
I still however don't understand how the writer of that annual thought Thor called on the power of the Odin to defeat Galactus.
I suggest getting them all digital 🙂
Correct and still not quite, the next paragrah mentions that Galactus for a time avoided Ego "And for a Time I avioded Ego - Until my Need for life Energy became to great"
Not quite, I know that Galactus only feeds when he must varies, but generally that is the consensus, and it would imo also be the case here because Galactus has no need to amp himself to a confrontation, which is normally the cause for him to amp himself. But I also think that it's based on the second encounter scan obvious that if Galactus goes to Ego when his need for Energy is great, then why should his initial attempt to consume Ego be based on other circumstances then Galactus also being in need for Energy?
I think the text box combined with thew afformentioned scan in Thor #136 put together with the general knowledge of Galactus as a character is enough evidence to say or atleast make a argument for why Galactus was weakened at the time.
IIRC Thor called on the elder power within him or something like that, isn't it possible that it's in some way connected with Odin?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://img223.imageshack.us/f/odinsethuniverse8gm.jpg/Multiverse mentioned.
http://img50.imageshack.us/f/sethvsweakenedodin26rj.jpg/
Every plane of reality mentioned.
It could referring to the 616 and all the conjoined dimensions there in, or it could be the Multiverse. Knowing DeFalco though, I'm leaning towards the second choice. Course, the word Universe was mentioned.
I think the battle was somewhere between 616 related and Multiversal.
In the 1st scan Dr Strange mentions that the battle is tearing at the very fabric of the multiverse, but then he goes on to say that countless galaxies are at threat as opposed to countless realities which you would expect if it was the actual multiverse. Furthermore on the same page as you acknowledge its the universe that is stated to be the ultimate casualty should Odin fall not the actual multiverse.
The 2nd scan shows or states nothing conclusive to indicate that the battle affected anything beyond the universe as you also acknowledge.
Given Odins status as a skyfather, its common sense and logical that it was just the universe affected. That is unless you know of any conclusive incidents where Odin has been shown to have such ability?
As far as i can see given the universes in marvel being pseudo multiverses, the terms are used interchangeably which can be confusing. Its just up to us to use common sense and think about whats truly feasible for each character tier.
Skyfathers should not be able to affect the actual multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In the 1st scan Dr Strange mentions that the battle is tearing at the very fabric of the multiverse, but then he goes on to say that countless galaxies are at threat as opposed to countless realities which you would expect if it was the actual multiverse. Furthermore on the same page as you acknowledge its the universe that is stated to be the ultimate casualty should Odin fall not the actual multiverse.
So what if he said Galaxies? Do you not understand the meaning of the word countless?
Like I said, Seth’s goal was mostly Universal from what I recall. Unless you count conquering the heavens as Multiversal?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The 2nd scan shows or states nothing conclusive to indicate that the battle affected anything beyond the universe as you also acknowledge.
😬 It stated that the battle affected every plane of reality. I did no such thing. I admitted that the word Universe was used, but as I pointed it out, it could just as easily be the Multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given Odins status as a skyfather, its common sense and logical that it was just the universe affected. That is unless you know of any conclusive incidents where Odin has been shown to have such ability?
Even if it was the 616, it wouldn’t just be a Universe. As indicated, it was a battle waged on all planes of reality. That means, at the bare minimum, it affected all the realities connected to the 616 if not more.
Odin’s status as a Skyfather means nothing. DeFalco had Thor operating on a multi Universal scale. He treats Odin as far above Thor as far as I’ve seen.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As far as i can see given the universes in marvel being pseudo multiverses, the terms are used interchangeably which can be confusing. Its just up to us to use common sense and think about whats truly feasible for each character tier.
Meaning: If someone doesn't like a certain scene, the get to pick and choose what the term means.?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Skyfathers should not be able to affect the actual multiverse.
Because you think so?
