Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, Dom? Toldja, he tries my own line on me and fails.Calm down, Rob.
Cept I didn't tell you to calm down. Your un-calmness state made you knee-jerk and as I said on que, here you are. And it's not your line, you shoplifted it from me over a year ago.
Now calm down, RJ, it's just a MVF thread.
Originally posted by RobtardSee? Long winded!!! Shoplifted my ass, you never used it on a regular basis as I do. If you did, it would have been remembered.
Cept I didn't tell you to calm down. Your un-calmness state made you knee-jerk and as I said on que, here you are. And it's not your line, you shoplifted it from me over a year ago.Now calm down, RJ, it's just a MVF thread.
Hey Rob:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See? Long winded!!! Shoplifted my ass, you never used it on a regular basis as I do. If you did, it would have been remembered.Hey Rob:
Originally posted by Robtard
Calm down, RJ, it's just a MVF thread.
No, this guy needs to calm down:
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. It's okay. You're very brave to come here, debating with your superiors. I'll support you every step of the way! 😄
You're certainly my superior when it comes to pointless trash talk. Fortunately, this is the only department in which your abilities exceed mine. That being said, can we go on with the debating? Thanks.
2. Uhuh. So what you are now saying is that Superman does not think at the speeds he moves at? No, that's not quite what you are saying I believe, what you are saying is more along the lines that Superman has to activate his superhuman thought processes, correct? Well let's ignore for a moment that if that is what you just said that it is in fact bullshit that was not proven inside the movies, let's just pretend you may be right. In this thread, Superman is already bloodlusted, aka, already going all-out, which means that he will already be thinking and acting at those speeds, which means the Wizards are taken out before they can begin to process thoughts. Of course, this is if we ignore that your claim (Assuming I interpreted it correctly) is unproven bullshit. Though if you can prove it, be my guest. Oh, and something idiotic such as "We see him interact with everyone normally in the movie," or something to that effect, is not an actual argument, as that is pretty much universal in fiction when talking about speedsters. Because fiction, contrary to popular belief, =/= real life. Oh and before you whine like a little girl "BAW STRAWMAN," I am not saying you claimed that, I am merely trying to dissuade you from in case you thought to. 🙂
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the concept of "time dilation". It, simple put, works like this: The faster you move, the slower time passes for you. So if Superman moves with the speed of light, time would almost stop for him, which means that he doesn't need superhumanly fast thoughts in order to move with FTL speed, because the sheer speed would cut out the need for him to think that fast.
THe next thing is that "proof" you're talking about. I've not seen Superman thinking faster than humans, nor have I seen him moving through the atmosphere with anything even remotely close to the speed of light. You may be able to tell me where to find the suggested proof that he can, otherwise I have to assume that he's incapable of doing it.
Okay, you are aware some spells are more difficult to use when wandless, or nonverbally, right? Because your sentence implies you believe that intention is all they need to use at least the bulk of their spells. This is untrue. None of the three Unforgivables have been shown to be performed without a wand or without speaking, for example.
You are aware that none of that is ever mentioned in the movies, correct? If you want to introduce material from the books, than you have to allow it for both sides and not just when you see it fit. That aside: Intention and focus are anything they need to use a bulk of the spells, as demonstrated rather often in the movies, unless coming from the students. And, sorry to correct you, but also the Unforgiveables - especially Avada Kedavra - have been used without incantation in the movies.
4. Please provide the evidence for this particular claim. Or I guess I could just watch OotP again, like I said I would. But regardless, point below stands.
"He'll be able to read my mind?"
"Read it, control it, unhinge it. In the past it was often the Dark Lord's pleasure to invade the minds of his victims, creating visions designed to torture them into madness. Only after extracting the last exquisite ounce of agony, only when he had them literally begging for death would he finally...kill them."
Voldemort was tampering with the minds of his victims using that very spell. And we know he's capable of utilizing this without wand or incantation.
5. Oh I have no doubt Voldemort can use it with a thought, but it still must be projected. When used by Snape, himself skilled enough in Leglimency and Occlumency to keep Voldemort out of his head, he had to direct it. I actually cannot recall Voldemort using Leglimency for anything other than telling if someone was lying, with the exception of Potter, who is a special case.
We know what he can do with it, given Snape's lecture of Voldemorts previous uses of the art before.
6. When Superman is bloodlusted, yes he does. And he is capable of traveling to places on the other side of the world virtually instantaneously, with TV Reporters noting Superman appeared to be all across the world at once. So yes, he is capable of this, and has done so often, therefore it is very much within his power. Stop being butthurt.
Oh, great. So your basing your "argument" on the statements of some TV Reporters, who are demonstateably wrong given that Superman is incapable of saving Lois in the movie at first, meaning he can't be in two places at the same time not even close to? You simply can't ignore that and cherrypick what you like. And if he can fly at that speeds in outer space he would still be able to travel around the world rather fast - just not in atmosphere. If he was capable of doing so, why fly into orbit to "turn back time" at all? Why didn't he "speedblitz" through the entirety of the film? Simple answer: Because he could not do this.
7. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Taboohttp://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Jinx_on_the_post_of_Defence_Against_the_Dark_Arts_teacher
Cry moar. The first is a known spell, the second is a jinx Voldemort made for the occasion.
Curse his clothes to do what? To give him bad jock-itch? Get out with your butthurt kid.
I didn't know that the various Wikipedias are threated as relyable source here. Especially since they don't make any difference between movie and book canon. The Taboo is never mentioned in the DH movie, we just see it's effect, when the Snatchers arrive at the Café. The same is the case with the teachers position jinx, which is mentioned but never explained in detail.
That aside: I merely sited those in order to proof that Voldemort is capable of affecting totally immaterial things, such as his own name or the DADA teacher position, to illustrated the capabilities of magic beyond usual spell flinging. Do you remember painting that "age line" around the Goblet of Fire in the fourth movie. Imagine him doing the same with a speed limit and around the school. Or he could simply summon a giant pile of kryptonite in his office, out of thin air. And so on, and so forth...
Hahahaha that's just adorable. You make a shitty point, then claim I "strawmanned" you, as if to accuse me of constructing a "strawman" out of your argument to knock down, to make mine look better? Own up to your own shortcomings, don't be such a child.
Your intellectual shortcomings, culminating in the lack of ability to understand my points, are certainly not my problem.
8. Ah, actually you are right, I admit I forgot all about that. I apologise. In terms of possessing Harry. However, Quirrel was not possessed, he willingly allowed himself to merge with Voldemort's spirit.
Willingly? Pff. Voldemort punished Quirrel by possessing him, because his servant failed to steal the Philosopher's Stone from Gringotts. That's hardly "willingly".
But how's about this. We know Lily and James had neighboors. Why not possess them? 😐 Also, after Voldemort was "killed," he fled to the forests of Albania as a spirit. He "died" in Godric's Hollow. Which is in southwestern England. Albania is in southeastern England. Why flee so far? If he could possess anything, why flee so far to possess snakes? He couldn't, that's why, by Voldemort's own admission he was less than any ghost, the only person he possessed willingly took him in after Voldemort seduced him with promises of power. So no dice, not happening.
Questioning the abilities of a character because of his illogical behavior is hardly logical. Voldemort was stripped from his body in what he saw as his greatest moment of triumph, by his own spell backfiring at him. He had no explanation for what happened. He paniced and fled. And Albania is not in southeastern England but in southeastern Europe (I think you ment that): Why go there to possess snakes? He could also have done that in the forests of England.
And we know that he can possess other beings. If I may remind you: That is the basic for the entire plot of "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets", where Voldemort does possess Ginny. Apparently, he was also able to make Quirrel his servant in that "spirit shape" and he was - if you want to take the books into consideration - able to torture and kill Bertha Jorkins in that shape, before getting his "baby Voldemort body".
9. Which is why he possessed snakes. Yeah man, he could have possessed ANYONE, but he traveled across England as a spirit to possess snakes in a forest, because he thinks snakes are the shit. While that last part is true, no, stop, you are wrong, deal with it.
He traveled across Europe to possess snakes in a forest, you wanted to say (so much for your knowledge in Georgraphy...). He fled, because every damn Wizard in the UK was trying to get his ass and he couldn't explain what happened to him. Apparently, he fled once again after his defeat at the end of PS/SS. Where is your point? He probably didn't want to possess some muggle and was uncertain who was loyal to him and who would have betrayed him. If that weren't the case, he would have visited one of his Death Eater friends, don't you think so?
Your implication was clear, stop lying to save face. You implied Superman could not destroy Hogwarts. He could make it go off like a nuke by flying through it.
What I said is, that Superman won't be able to access all rooms in the castle, which is pretty obvious from the fact, that - just for example - the common rooms of the houses and the office of the headmaster are hidden. And before you even mention that Superman can tear through some pictures protecting the entrances: Damaging the picture in front of the entrance reveals that their is a normal wall behind the picture (see "Prisoner of Azkaban"😉. So the entrances to the common rooms are magical in nature.
And yeah. Superman would totally destroy the castle by flying through it. Did you ever think about the size of the castle?
10. I do kinda like how you brought up giants. That was kinda funny. I am saying that every Death Eater and Giant in the world combined cannot generate as much force as Superman's muscles, nowhere near it. Also, refresh my memory, when did they have trouble getting through the shield?
Did you, by chance, miss the various attempts of Death Eaters to invade the school in OotP times and more recently in HPB, which is the entire damn subplot of the sixth part? Why do you think did they have to come up with an elaborated plan to invade the castle with the help of Draco? Why do you think Dumbledore wonders how Draco managed to get them in? Brute force, pretty obviously, wouldn't have gotten them in there.
11. You do know it is never actually stated Hogwarts has a Muggle-Repelling charm over it right? At least not in the books, did the movies state this? I forget. But that is also different, Superman knows Hogwarts is there, having prior knowledge. The MR charm only serves to either make the place unappealing to muggles, or to, as you said, make them "remember an appointment they had." Take a look at the way this is phrased, they had. They already had one, but they spontaneously remembered it. Since the world this vs. takes place in has one purpose, having people foit, he will have no appointments, and appearances are useless to Superman.
Your hilarious excuse for application of logic is really intimidating. I'm starting to develop the fear that your amount of stupidity could be contagious.
Prior knowledge wouldn't help to overcome that kind of protection, because it meddles with the mind of the one approaching the castle, and plants the thought to be elsewhere. Your ridiculous attempt to use my paraphrasing of a quote as proof for anything aside (I lol'd), it's merely an influence on the subconciousness of a victim. The charm forces the victim to go elsewhere. That aside: Hagrid mentions multiple times that Hogwarts is "the savest place in the Wizarding World", a claim that has been also used by other people (e.g. Ron and Hermione at the beginning of HPB). You really think they would leave their children at a place with just one protective charm working? I don't think so.