Imma have to say that transporters WOULD work.
Here's my logic:
The shield charms were explicitly stated to block the physical. Cool. That makes sense as nothing physical ever got through and if it were as simple as applying enough force to break through protego-like shield charms, a wizard would just have to levitate a pebble really high into the air and cast engorgio multiple times onto the rock until it was the size of a mountain, and crash it on top of Hogwarts. There's a reason it was said to block the physical: it would be very easy to get past it if all one had to do was apply enough force.
However, here's my logic for why transporters get passed it:
If the shield charms blcoked ALL energy and matter from getting in:
They'd suffocate as they would run out of oxygen. A rabid Potter fanboy could say that the shield is intelligent, just like most magical spells are, and be more like a membrane that "breathes." Fine. I'll go with that. But it does NOT block all ENERGIES though.
Here's why and it is a very huge point/hole in the shield charm debate:
Sunlight
That's right: electromagnetic radiation gets through. We can clearly see that in just about every scene that takes place outside.
What does a transporter do? It transforms matter into pure energy, moves it at the speed of light, and rematerializes it at another place. This means that it has to be EmR meaning it gets through. 😄 This is why electricity (for all intents and purposes, a particle beam) does not get through but sunlight does: one is matter the other is energy.
SH*T! I'm wrong...I forgot about the technology nullifier shield charms. Damnit. Man. I thought about this one the way to work and I thought I was sooooooo clever for thinking of this, too.
Well...I tried.
I don't think you guys realize how disappointed I am that I thought of all that just to shoot myself in the foot. It's way worse than getting owned in a debate, imo. Self-pwnage is the worst.
Edit - Wait, the Star Trek peeps could easily send other forms of deadly radiation through. It just can't be things like alpha particles: it has to be energy, alone.
Originally posted by Lord LucienNo it doesn't the sheild charm is to protect from hexes.
Protego! Shields from anything and everything the universe can throw at it.
There is no evidence to support a claim that it would protect from any thing else.
Originally posted by ImpedimentOnly if you can define exactly what energy drives the spells in the hogwarts universe.
The Borg can adapt.
There is no evidence to support a claim that they could adapt to hexes from the Harry Potter universe.
I'm going to go with bombardment from space, like the borg did in First Contact.
No fuss no muss, just a crater where the ickle wizards once were.
Of course there are other wizarding schools that would need to be targeted as well.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No it doesn't the sheild charm is to protect from hexes.There is no evidence to support a claim that it would protect from any thing else.
It also protects from the physical. (Standard shield charm, does. That's the plain protego version.) I could be thinking of something else like to totalus version.
Originally posted by dadudemonNo, the Protego and its variants only protect from hexes. You're probably thinking of one of the other charms such as the imperturbable charm or the impervius charm.
It also protects from the physical. (Standard shield charm, does. That's the plain protego version.) I could be thinking of something else like to totalus version.
But we don't know if there is a spell that can keep out the energy attacks that the borg can provide.
Of course I'm guessing that they already know the location of Hogwarts, otherwise they wouldn't be able to target it due to the Repello Muggletum charm. As the Borg are not of the Harry Potterverse magic they would qualify as muggles.
If they already know then they can simply destroy the area, anything not protected by magic such as the rock and the like underneath the school. Since I doubt that hogwarts has a locomotor charm on it it'd more than likely fall taking any within down with it. The people inside would more than likely not enjoy the fall especially if they fell far enough into lava.
Didn't anyone read my post?
The Borg can blast the ground beneath Hogwarts from space. While capturing/adapting to wizards in the frontlines.
Protego would be useless once the gound beneath caves in and the castle falls.
As the spell buckles and the castle falls into the water it becomes a massacre of drones that have already adapted to the spells infecting wizards and teleporting them to base for information.
It's only a matter of time before the school and all those within are assimilated.
All those who apparate and escape are BFR.
And Zappano.-
Even if the borg can't adapt to the spells they can create a Borg army of Wizards that they capture. Borg with drones who know magic makes them all wizards compared to level of wizard they capture.
Disastrous Consequences. All they need is wands. Which with particle manipulation they can make as many of them that they wish.
Originally posted by Impediment
Species 8472 aren't magic, are they?
Right. They are less alien to the Borg than magic is. So what makes you think the Borg could adapt to magic? They adopt to freaking energy beams. Did you see spells leaving burn marks anywhere? I didn't.
And how would they even adapt to deadly curses? It's instant death to every thing being hit with it, which means that the drones can't communicate what did hit them, which in turn renders the Borgs fundamental technique to adapt utterly useless.
We are discussing Hogwarts magic, not the hokum of a Jewish carpenter.
Excuse me.
First: I don't think you got my comment right. A "no limit fallacy" is present, when it's presumed that a certain ability (here: adaption) doesn't have any limits. In our special case, that even happens despite of limits being shown on screen. They failed to adapt to Species 8472 despite of fighting them over several weeks. Yet you think that they can adapt to a far more alien concept (read: magic) in several seconds? I just entered the omnipotence thing to show you how ridiculous that idea is, but apparently, you still find it reasonable.
So would you please explain to me how they would adapt to spells that don't even generate physical effects (Imperius), how a drone being hit by Avada Kedavra (or being turned into a ferret for that matter) would be able to communicate the information about that attack to the other drones which is kind of prerequisite for them being able to adapt?
Second: I don't see anything being "discussed" here. What I see is the attempt to make a spite thread and totally failing at it, due to not having the slightest clue about the workings and abilities of Harry Potter magic.
May I ask what stops Dumbledore from waving his hand, saying "Arresto Momentum" (as seen in "Prisoner of Azkaban"😉 which apparently does arrest momentum, meaning that all kind of movements become impossible? No drones moving in, no teleporting, no weapons fired from the orbit. Everything will be turned into a nice pile of immobile targets - which the Hogwarts students can use to practice their aim.
Originally posted by BorbaradI imagine what would stop him from doing it is if the bombardment from space was a surprise attack. Though I'm curious about the limitations on the Harry Potter Magic. What's the range on that spell?
Right. They are less alien to the Borg than magic is. So what makes you think the Borg could adapt to magic? They adopt to freaking energy beams. Did you see spells leaving burn marks anywhere? I didn't.And how would they even adapt to deadly curses? It's instant death to every thing being hit with it, which means that the drones can't communicate what did hit them, which in turn renders the Borgs fundamental technique to adapt utterly useless.
Excuse me.
First: I don't think you got my comment right. A "no limit fallacy" is present, when it's presumed that a certain ability (here: adaption) doesn't have any limits. In our special case, that even happens despite of limits being shown on screen. They failed to adapt to Species 8472 despite of fighting them over several weeks. Yet you think that they can adapt to a far more alien concept (read: magic) in several seconds? I just entered the omnipotence thing to show you how ridiculous that idea is, but apparently, you still find it reasonable.
So would you please explain to me how they would adapt to spells that don't even generate physical effects (Imperius), how a drone being hit by Avada Kedavra (or being turned into a ferret for that matter) would be able to communicate the information about that attack to the other drones which is kind of prerequisite for them being able to adapt?
Second: I don't see anything being "discussed" here. What I see is the attempt to make a spite thread and totally failing at it, due to not having the slightest clue about the workings and abilities of Harry Potter magic.
May I ask what stops Dumbledore from waving his hand, saying "Arresto Momentum" (as seen in "Prisoner of Azkaban"😉 which apparently does arrest momentum, meaning that all kind of movements become impossible? No drones moving in, no teleporting, no weapons fired from the orbit. Everything will be turned into a nice pile of immobile targets - which the Hogwarts students can use to practice their aim.
May I ask what stops Dumbledore from waving his hand, saying "Arresto Momentum" (as seen in "Prisoner of Azkaban"😉 which apparently does arrest momentum, meaning that all kind of movements become impossible? No drones moving in, no teleporting, no weapons fired from the orbit. Everything will be turned into a nice pile of immobile targets - which the Hogwarts students can use to practice their aim.
I don't think you noticed the mismatch between forces. The Borg are offered space ships and the Hogwarts technology nullifier is never shown to extend into space; given that the physical protections operate in a bubble it is reasonable to think that the !tech field does as well.
Every single drone they send into hand to hand combat dies, immediately.
One cube solos.
Borg victory.
Originally posted by ZampanóImmobulus fits what he said better. Just saying. Arresto Momentum simply slowed Harry down. Immobulus literally freezes multiple targets.
You're wrong on this particular count, Nai. Arresto momentum did not render all momentum zero, because Ron and Hermione were clearly still able to see Harry (photons unaffected by the spell) and the entire quidditch stadium retained their capacity to pump blood and breathe air. The Borg energy weapons will be fully functional.I don't think you noticed the mismatch between forces. The Borg are offered space ships and the Hogwarts technology nullifier is never shown to extend into space; given that the physical protections operate in a bubble it is reasonable to think that the !tech field does as well.
Every single drone they send into hand to hand combat dies, immediately.
One cube solos.
Borg victory.
I don't think you noticed the mismatch between forces. The Borg are offered space ships and the Hogwarts technology nullifier is never shown to extend into space; given that the physical protections operate in a bubble it is reasonable to think that the !tech field does as well.
Obviously the wizards will know about the attack before hand due to the hall of teh prophecies and Trelawney and do a planet-wide Protego which is indestructible and totallly not a no-limits fallacy and totally has the feats to stop Giga(watts?) of energy. Then they will drink ze GOD POTION(!) and they will swat the fleet out of the void with their massive dicks wands.
Originally posted by NephthysYou forgot House elves, giants and confundus.
Obviously the wizards will know about the attack before hand due to the hall of teh prophecies and Trelawney and do a planet-wide Protego which is indestructible and totallly not a no-limits fallacy and totally has the feats to stop Giga(watts?) of energy. Then they will drink ze GOD POTION(!) and they will swat the fleet out of the void with their massivedickswands.
Originally posted by NephthysWhy gentlemen, I do think this one is being sarcastic. 😂
Obviously the wizards will know about the attack before hand due to the hall of teh prophecies and Trelawney and do a planet-wide Protego which is indestructible and totallly not a no-limits fallacy and totally has the feats to stop Giga(watts?) of energy. Then they will drink ze GOD POTION(!) and they will swat the fleet out of the void with their massivedickswands.
On the note of what you said there's the activity of reading harry potter but replacing every instance of the word wand with wang.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Immobulus fits what he said better. Just saying. Arresto Momentum simply slowed Harry down. Immobulus literally freezes multiple targets.
The Borg, relying on both verbal and nonverbal (subspace) modes of communication, will not be particularly harmed by this spell. Their ship's weapons will still be able to fire and Hogwarts will still be razed to the ground.
All drones sent within the school will die, of course.
Originally posted by CreshoskDo you remember that part in Half Blood Prince when Harry cast a Spell of Frivolity at Snape, but it went right over Snape's head?
No it doesn't the sheild charm is to protect from hexes.There is no evidence to support a claim that it would protect from any thing else.
Your Snape.