Originally posted by ZampanóI was just saying. There's always petrificus totalus, too.
It stops movement. Yes. However, the pixies in CoS were still able to breathe and move their eyes. It does not remove their momentum along the path of the Earth's orbit. It does not stop their hearts.The Borg, relying on both verbal and nonverbal (subspace) modes of communication, will not be particularly harmed by this spell. Their ship's weapons will still be able to fire and Hogwarts will still be razed to the ground.
All drones sent within the school will die, of course.
But soon as one is petrified another unit of 9 borg beam in around that location and assimiliate the ass of the caster.
Its a one shot at a time, per man spell, as shown by HP screen feats.
With the amount of Borg here, youre effectively in a sandstorm, trying to freeze it 1 grain of sand at a time and expecting not to get any on you...which is silly.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But soon as one is petrified another unit of 9 borg beam in around that location and assimiliate the ass of the caster.Its a one shot at a time, per man spell, as shown by HP screen feats.
With the amount of Borg here, youre effectively in a sandstorm, trying to freeze it 1 grain of sand at a time and expecting not to get any on you...which is silly.
exactly and also once the borg start assimilating the wizards then they'll be immune to any and all spells
Originally posted by Creshosk
No, the Protego and its variants only protect from hexes. You're probably thinking of one of the other charms such as the imperturbable charm or the impervius charm.
You sure? Didn't Hermione say it would "keep out the physical but not powerful magic"? My wife has book 7 around the house somewhere...but I really do not feel like reading that shit just to fine the one or two times it is mentioned.
However, none of that counts in the MVF. What was said about it in pat 1 of movie 7?
Originally posted by Creshosk
But we don't know if there is a spell that can keep out the energy attacks that the borg can provide.
For the ones that protect from the physical, particle beams would be held out, assuming that there's not feasible uppper limit to the "physical" aspect of the shielding. However, radiation of any kind, as I showed in an earlier post on page 2, would get right through.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Of course I'm guessing that they already know the location of Hogwarts, otherwise they wouldn't be able to target it due to the Repello Muggletum charm. As the Borg are not of the Harry Potterverse magic they would qualify as muggles.
Super "indeed".
I have been harping on people making Hogwarts related threads that they need to remove or somehow accommodate for this.
This in addition to Voldemorts Horcruxes and the Felix Felicis potion.
Originally posted by Creshosk
If they already know then they can simply destroy the area, anything not protected by magic such as the rock and the like underneath the school. Since I doubt that hogwarts has a locomotor charm on it it'd more than likely fall taking any within down with it. The people inside would more than likely not enjoy the fall especially if they fell far enough into lava.
I see your point.
Even with the shields in place, the forces would cause everything the shield bubble to be "smashed" into the earth, similar to pushing a pebble into sand. Sure, pebble will still be intact, but what about the contents INSIDE the pebble? (lol) The forces should shake up the people inside the bubble as gravity is still in effect.
So, yeah, you discovered a problem with the shields: even though they are magic and can only be broken by magic, the contents inside are still susceptible to large forces.
I agreed in the superman debate the superman could easily pick up Hogwarts, but that would make Superman susceptible to a death spell while he lifts the "bubble".
Originally posted by Nephthys
A ball of smoke bounced off of it. Like, really hard though!
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Originally posted by Zampanó
You're wrong on this particular count, Nai. Arresto momentum did not render all momentum zero, because Ron and Hermione were clearly still able to see Harry (photons unaffected by the spell) and the entire quidditch stadium retained their capacity to pump blood and breathe air. The Borg energy weapons will be fully functional.
I was with you on this until the very last point. It is a non sequitor argument: it does not follow the information presented, previously.
Unless they are firing "neural interface" weapons which only require thought. Is that how their weapons are? I do not remember their personal weapons, at all...other than it being "green."
One thing I noticed about magic from HP is it appears to be "sentient." Meaning, the spell stops them from moving...or rather, the ability to move any portions of their body minus those functions necessary for life and maybe their eyes?
Originally posted by Zampanó
I don't think you noticed the mismatch between forces. The Borg are offered space ships and the Hogwarts technology nullifier is never shown to extend into space; given that the physical protections operate in a bubble it is reasonable to think that the !tech field does as well.Every single drone they send into hand to hand combat dies, immediately.
You're correct: it only extends WITHIN the charms, not outside.
So anything they try to send inside dies, immediately, assuming they can even do that. As I figured out, no technology works inside so they wouldn't even be able to beam shit inside.
Originally posted by Zampanó
One cube solos.Borg victory.
I agree with this.
Until I see more arguments in favor of HP peeps, I am sticking with the Borg.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Obviously the wizards will know about the attack before hand due to the hall of teh prophecies and Trelawney and do a planet-wide Protego which is indestructible and totallly not a no-limits fallacy and totally has the feats to stop Giga(watts?) of energy. Then they will drink ze GOD POTION(!) and they will swat the fleet out of the void with their massivedickswands.
You actually make good points, despite the large dose of sarcasm.
You sure? Didn't Hermione say it would "keep out the physical but not powerful magic"? My wife has book 7 around the house somewhere...but I really do not feel like reading that shit just to fine the one or two times it is mentioned.However, none of that counts in the MVF. What was said about it in pat 1 of movie 7?
Personally I think you should find the quote that you're talking about, or at least someone should. Alot of the stategy you're using assumes that the shield will stop all physical attacks, and this is now being used in other threads as well. So it would be really helpfull if you'd prove up on this point.
You actually make good points, despite the large dose of sarcasm.
No I don't. The OP stated that the wizards were 'caught off-guard' so Trelawny and the hall of prophecies (urgh) are out. A planet wide protego is such a ridiculous concept that I would feel stupid even explaining why its so. Protego's and shield charms are not invincible and inpenetrable unless you can prove they are, and the GOD POTION cannot prevent an orbital bombardment.
I was with you on this until the very last point. It is a non sequitor argument: it does not follow the information presented, previously.Unless they are firing "neural interface" weapons which only require thought. Is that how their weapons are? I do not remember their personal weapons, at all...other than it being "green."
One thing I noticed about magic from HP is it appears to be "sentient." Meaning, the spell stops them from moving...or rather, the ability to move any portions of their body minus those functions necessary for life and maybe their eyes?
You're correct: it only extends WITHIN the charms, not outside.So anything they try to send inside dies, immediately, assuming they can even do that. As I figured out, no technology works inside so they wouldn't even be able to beam shit inside.
Putting a drone there would kill it. 😐
I don't think that actually, you know, matters to the fight, though. The shield charm clearly does not block EM (sunlight) so any sort of energy weapon from space pwns.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Personally I think you should find the quote that you're talking about, or at least someone should. Alot of the stategy you're using assumes that the shield will stop all physical attacks, and this is now being used in other threads as well. So it would be really helpfull if you'd prove up on this point.
Nah. It's too much effort.
I'd rather concede the point than be arsed to look it up.
Yes, I'm that lazy. 😐
Maybe you could convince a Potter-fa....I mean someone who likes Harry Potter to clarify? There's probably lots of people that could tell us the chapter right off the top of their head. 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
No I don't. The OP stated that the wizards were 'caught off-guard' so Trelawny and the hall of prophecies (urgh) are out. A planet wide protego is such a ridiculous concept that I would feel stupid even explaining why its so. Protego's and shield charms are not invincible and inpenetrable unless you can prove they are, and the GOD POTION cannot prevent an orbital bombardment.
Good points. I do not feel that a planet wide protection charm is allowed. I believe the thread starter said a year of prep can be used...but was it within the first couple of posts? (I dunno.)
Also, I do not think the Protego charm versions are the ones keeping out the majority of the physical stuff. The wiki says it does protect against the physical* and I remember something being said about it by Hermione to Harry and Ron. However, I believe there are other charms that are better at it. My memory is vague.
Originally posted by Zampanó
You're right; I was very unclear. I meant that arresto momentum, if used on the Borg cubes, would not prevent the conduction of electricity and emission of EM radiation. Thus, the Borg cubes (which are outside of the !techfield) will be able to fire their weapons despite being targeted by arresto momentum.
Makes sense and I agree fully.
Originally posted by Zampanó
They could beam shit inside, making the castle smell bad. 😆Putting a drone there would kill it. 😐
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YUP!
Originally posted by Zampanó
I don't think that actually, you know, matters to the fight, though. The shield charm clearly does not block EM (sunlight) so any sort of energy weapon from space pwns.
I also agree, here, too. If we assume that the shields protect against the physical and only magic can break them down (like it happens in the films), then all energy weapons will work but particle beams will not (because particle beams are comprised of particles...matter.)
Originally posted by Zampanó
You're wrong on this particular count, Nai. Arresto momentum did not render all momentum zero, because Ron and Hermione were clearly still able to see Harry (photons unaffected by the spell) and the entire quidditch stadium retained their capacity to pump blood and breathe air. The Borg energy weapons will be fully functional.
Yes. Because Dumbledore was aiming it at Harry. Any kind of range limitation being shown there? As far as Rowling is concerned, single individuals have managed to extend spell range effects over entire towns (in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them it's mentioned that a Wizard covered a dragon showing up by using a memory charm on the entire town of Brighton).
I don't think you noticed the mismatch between forces.
I did, hence I called it a spite thread.
The Borg are offered space ships and the Hogwarts technology nullifier is never shown to extend into space; given that the physical protections operate in a bubble it is reasonable to think that the !tech field does as well.
The physical protections also include a charm that makes the castle appear like a ruin, which muggles could even enter without realizing, that they are in Hogwarts. So you may want to tell me, how the Borg or any other non-Wizard would even manage to find the castle in the first place, no matter if it's done from space or from the very doorstep of the castle.
And in case you're asking yourself now, why the Wizards would protect the castle from being seen from space: You've mentioned yourself that the protective charms work like a bubble, meaning the castle can't be spotted from above either. And I didn't see anybody being concerned about Hogwarts satelite pictures...
Every single drone they send into hand to hand combat dies, immediately.One cube solos.
Borg victory.
Well. They can't do anything before the Wizards decide to reveal themselves, which they could, for example, do by apparating right into the Borg cubes and go berserk on the drones.
And, just for the fun: How would the Borg fire their weapons if nothing inside the Cube could move any longer? Which, by the way, is kind of linked to the first question: Where is the area of effect for the "Arresto Momentum" given? For all we know, Harry could have been in complete stasis (including his life functions being briefly "turned off"😉. This is, after all, what happens to the victims of the Basilisk in "Chamber of Secrets" and they even speculate that this could have been caused by some sort of Dark Magic (meaning that the magical effect does obviously exist).
Originally posted by Borbarad
Yes. Because Dumbledore was aiming it at Harry. Any kind of range limitation being shown there? As far as Rowling is concerned, single individuals have managed to extend spell range effects over entire towns (in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them it's mentioned that a Wizard covered a dragon showing up by using a memory charm on the entire town of Brighton).
We do have information about the effects of the spell itself. When targeting an Harry, the momentum of the particles in Harry's body was diminished. Emissions from his body were not affected at all. Light still reflected from his clothing and skin, based off of Ron and Hermione's testimony in the Hospital Wing, as well as the shot on Harry's descent itself.
That inability to nullify the movement of photons means that Borg energy weapons will operate normally.
The physical protections also include a charm that makes the castle appear like a ruin, which muggles could even enter without realizing, that they are in Hogwarts. So you may want to tell me, how the Borg or any other non-Wizard would even manage to find the castle in the first place, no matter if it's done from space or from the very doorstep of the castle.
And in case you're asking yourself now, why the Wizards would protect the castle from being seen from space: You've mentioned yourself that the protective charms work like a bubble, meaning the castle can't be spotted from above either. And I didn't see anybody being concerned about Hogwarts satelite pictures...
Well. They can't do anything before the Wizards decide to reveal themselves, which they could, for example, do by apparating right into the Borg cubes and go berserk on the drones.
So it sends a full armada (of ships in fleet up til ST:Nemesis) to go with the Borg to show them where the wizards are, and to assist in the reconstitution of the wizards.The wizards are caught off guard when suddenly ships start warping into a position over Hogwarts at a variety of altitudes ranging from In outer space, to the stratosphere, with fighters at lower altitudes swarming, and people and Borg alike start beaming into the ground..
And, just for the fun: How would the Borg fire their weapons if nothing inside the Cube could move any longer? Which, by the way, is kind of linked to the first question: Where is the area of effect for the "Arresto Momentum" given? For all we know, Harry could have been in complete stasis (including his life functions being briefly "turned off"😉. This is, after all, what happens to the victims of the Basilisk in "Chamber of Secrets" and they even speculate that this could have been caused by some sort of Dark Magic (meaning that the magical effect does obviously exist).
Suggesting that Harry's life functions were turned off is pure speculation. Neither the film nor the books suggest that effect. The most that we can say arresto momentum accomplishes is a diminishment of bulk movement in a direction (i.e. a body's motion in a particular direction). To assert anything about its effects on the vibrations and internal movements of that body is nothing more than idle speculation, which will receive no more respect from me than would the argument 'NO U.'
The orbital bombardment will commence as planned.