Lloyd Irving vs Link

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well its not like he struggles to bat back Ganons ball with his sword either.

That sounded less dirty in my head...... mmm

It's Link and Ganondorf so I can see why you would think that way. haermm

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Bullets are as destructive as lightning bolts? I didn't know that. And for the record, BOTH can kill people, except bullets only if they hit a vital organ. What do you mean Lloyd movements seems worse? Worse than WHAT? Did you completely missed the part when Lloyd reacts to a straight shot of lightning?

Yes, they are heavy. I wonder why Link didn't simply broke it with his sword? It seems the sword does not receive the power of the gautlents. Hmm? 🙂

That lightning does not look very strong. Worse than what? I dunno. His opponent here? Link as a kid moves more quickly in cutscenes than Lloyd. Lloyd has one feat: a reaction feat. That does not make him fast, just attentive and quick to react.

Probably because if he cut it in half with his sword, half of it would still be in his way. Simplest way to move it is to throw it. And a sword has the strength of his wielder's arms unless it's material it can't break.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I have asked if Link can actually carry so many items. Can you prove it without using gameplay? So the developers messed up stuff when they made the attack? Nice assumption is nice. Back that up.

Uhh... sure, thanks for proving your point?

Why should I have to? And you realize my wanting to just let the lightning ball have the speed from the cutscene is a way to find middle ground between the pro lightning speed and the anti lightning speed groups right? It's not a Big stretch to assume they're to be taken as the same type of attack. They're both ki blasts that Ganon uses. Only real difference is the way it's summoned, which I don't mind overlooking. Devs really wouldn't care and neither do I.

You're very welcome. 🙂

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Because compared to Ganon's attack, it's nothing Link hasn't been shown to handle woth ease.

How do you know the strength of Volts attack? And why is that important anyway?

The point is, if we go by Sceams logic, Lloyd is a "lightning timer". Link isn't.

Except that isn't what I'm doing. I'm using the gameplay speed to prove that the canon speed does not even apply in this case.

Yes, they are heavy. I wonder why Link ddn't simply broke it with his sword? It seems the sword does not receive the power of the gautlents. Hmm?

Obvious failing to react at 1:33, in fact Midna is able to keeps up with Zant better then Link can in this scene.

Unable to keep up with and defend from an arrow at 6:43.

1:28+ Its basically the move in-between the first dark formed one and the last electric charged one mentioned before. As you can see its not a lightning move but an energy one which has an electric affinity. Applying the same path these ball moves are going down*, the last move in question would be the same thing. An electric energy ball.

Now to clear some things up.

Electricity doesn't exactly carry a whole lot of kinetic force, Lloyd not being thrown by Volt's attack only shows that his muscles didn't spaz on him, not that he's in anyway physicly strong.

Lloyd had no strength feats listed yet which would allow him to harm Link, and no durability feats which would allow him to survive even blocking a sword blow.

Let's clear some more things up.

Link doesn't have super durability.

Super strength does not give the fight to Link. Otherwise Link would have lost to Ganon.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That lightning does not look very strong. Worse than what? I dunno. His opponent here? Link as a kid moves more quickly in cutscenes than Lloyd. Lloyd has one feat: a reaction feat. That does not make him fast, just attentive and quick to react.

Probably because if he cut it in half with his sword, half of it would still be in his way. Simplest way to move it is to throw it. And a sword has the strength of his wielder's arms unless it's material it can't break.

Why it does not look very strong? How do you know Link moves more quickly than Lloyd? How do you know Lloyd's... um mobility? And deflecting a lightning bolt does not make you fast? He had to be fast, otherwise that girl would have been hit by the lightning.

He simply could destroy it by slashes no? But how do we know he can actually cut rocks with his sword? Aren't those gauntlets made just to lift heavy things?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why should I have to?

You're very welcome. smile.

Because you said he can switch items whenever he wants, when in reality it's the player who does.

ermm

Originally posted by TacDavey
Let's clear some more things up.

Link doesn't have super durability.

Super strength does not give the fight to Link. Otherwise Link would have lost to Ganon.

You're ignoring feats. He does. Go stand by the highway with a baseball bat, and don't let go of it, swing it at a passing car. Watch what happens to your arms.

Now, imagine doing that with something more powerful than a freight train. 😐

Link can oneshot Lloyd, who has no strength feats allowing him to harm Link.

He simply could destroy it by slashes no? But how do we know he can actually cut rocks with his sword? Aren't those gauntlets made just to lift heavy things?

You've claimed gameplay > canon. Concession accepted. I can ignore your posts with a clean concience now.

Lol, yeah thats really what I'm saying. 😆

An attack you don't see coming doesn't apply to your reaction speed and the arrow doesn't seem to have hit him even so. Not to mentioon we know he's durable enough to not be hurt by a freakin' arrow. 😐

Wait, doesn't see coming? He was looking right at it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
they make you stronger and are stated to give you more power in their description.

Yes, to LIFT heavy things.

Which game doesn't matter as both have the same 'lightning' feat in it. He, like in OoT, beat someone that's can move outside of his reactions, [DLink and Zant] still doesn't shy over the fact that they've failed to react to their movements.

He sees it a few feet before it hits him and for a lightning timer it'd be child's play. An arrow would harm him more then Zant running into him would, yet he still tried to defend against him. No way to say TP with his capped human reactions can suddenly jump up to lightning time.

Wait he canonly dodged Barinade or direct shot move of lighting from it? The cutscene has unquantifiable speed due to Link being visually in the way to see its travel or lack of BUT, if you really want to use the cutscene then it still isnt lightning fast.(a few milliseconds) And besides, that first attack isnt even lightning based its energy based.. .__.

''Go stand by the highway with a baseball bat, and don't let go of it, swing it at a passing car. Watch what happens to your arms.''
Lol that's the rl example I gave. The guy was fine.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Yes, to LIFT heavy things.

And besides, that first attack isnt even lightning based its energy based..

I do not recall Link cutting rocks with his sword, though.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're ignoring feats. He does. Go stand by the highway with a baseball bat, and don't let go of it, swing it at a passing car. Watch what happens to your arms.

Now, imagine doing that with something more powerful than a freight train. 😐

Originally posted by BloodRain
''Go stand by the highway with a baseball bat, and don't let go of it, swing it at a passing car. Watch what happens to your arms.''
Lol that's the rl example I gave. The guy was fine.

^ That.

That doesn't show Link as super durable.

Originally posted by TacDavey
How do you know the strength of Volts attack? And why is that important anyway?

The point is, if we go by Sceams logic, Lloyd is a "lightning timer". Link isn't.

It could give us a strength feat for Lloyd. It doesn't. That lightning is unimpressive and by extension so is Lloyd, who was knocked on his ass before Volt was struck by CIS.

I like how Scream's logic is instantly applied to mine. Lloyd can react to things quickly. Lightning speed quickly. Does not make him run as fast as lightning or attack at lightning speeds.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Why it does not look very strong? How do you know Link moves more quickly than Lloyd? How do you know Lloyd's... um mobility? And deflecting a lightning bolt does not make you fast? He had to be fast, otherwise that girl would have been hit by the lightning.

He simply could destroy it by slashes no? But how do we know he can actually cut rocks with his sword? Aren't those gauntlets made just to lift heavy things?

Because his first attack looked stronger and the second does not. Cutscenes? Lloyd moved to where he was going to attack(slowly moved) and then reacted to it by blocking. His reaction was fast. His movement from point A to point B, was not.

....why bother when he can just lift it and save himself time? It's obvious you're trying to say the gauntlets don't increase the strength of his sword swings. I have no reason to believe that. Trying to say they don't increase his sword strength by referencing the pillar is a silly argument.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Because you said he can switch items whenever he wants, when in reality it's the player who does.

ermm

How dare a game let the player do something! baka

Question: Who switches between his bow and his sword in the actual game?

''Ball formed with energy>Ball formed with energy with an electric affinity>Ball formed with electricity with an electric affinity.''

If this holds up then the last attack iss only charged with electricity.

Everything in my above post shows how he cant be a lightning timer. The change in energy orbs in that^ order, DLink, the arrow, Zant. Both Link's are capped so far under lightning that it makes no sense for people to think its at that speed by relying on its affinity alone.

Everything in my above post shows how he cant be a lightning timer. The change in energy orbs in that^ order, DLink, the arrow, Zant. Both Link's are capped so far under lightning that it makes no sense for people to think its at that speed by relying on its affinity alone.

So, we have Barinade, the cutscene, Ganondorf, Majora, Phantom Ganon, ect all supporting Link's above human reaction times.

Lloyd stomps, gtfo of here.

Who's Lloyd irving?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Lloyd stomps, gtfo of here.

Who's Lloyd irving?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Except there's no instances of Link failing to react to any of those things. We don't even see what happens to the arrow, which ends up lying at Link's feet. 😐
Not to mention OoT Link, for even more consistency, handled super-sonic attacks in Majora's Mask.

So, we have Barinade, the cutscene, Ganondorf, Majora, Phantom Ganon, ect all supporting Link's above human reaction times.

Urm yeah we do. Failed to counter the arrow, fails to put up a defence for Zant until after he went past him and OoT has his attacks bested at times by DLink. With the orbs changing thats 4 examples against. Arrow was the either the bird or something from the group, Links expression even says it wasn't him.

1. When did fighting an opponent who may use an attack make you above them? [unless for an event eg qte's] Also yay for telegraphed aim dodging..
2. ..Majora isn't supersonic.
3. Orb feat cant be used in an example to prove the case to discuss it, thats like using a word to define itself. Even then; cutscene is unquantifiable, phantom is formed with energy and last is the feat in question. So thats 0 examples for.

Urm yeah we do. Failed to counter the arrow, fails to put up a defence for Zant until after he went past him and OoT has his attacks bested at times by DLink. With the orbs changing thats 4 examples against. Arrow was the either the bird or something from the group, Links expression even says it wasn't him.

A 6 foot bullwhip is supersonic, a 40 foot super whip is certainly supersonic.
I'm not even sure I understand what you mean by point 3.

OoT Link has multiple instances of handling lightning, atleast one case of dealing with super sonic whips, and reliably reflects projectiles back at their sources. He is far above human reaction time.

Oh god, Majoras whips. The fallacy returns. ha-jam